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Gram to miss a month
ST KILDA midfielder Jason Gram will miss at least a month after the Saints decided on surgery to fix an ongoing groin injury.
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knew he didnt look right in the carlton game...
just didnt seem to have those big strides.
good idea, get him in now, fixed up, get stronger and have plenty of time off to come back in a month or so.
while we'll miss him, i think its a great move
we need his run and carry and for him to be at his best
just didnt seem to have those big strides.
good idea, get him in now, fixed up, get stronger and have plenty of time off to come back in a month or so.
while we'll miss him, i think its a great move
we need his run and carry and for him to be at his best
Bad loss, just think back to the Port game without him.matrix wrote:knew he didnt look right in the carlton game...
just didnt seem to have those big strides.
good idea, get him in now, fixed up, get stronger and have plenty of time off to come back in a month or so.
while we'll miss him, i think its a great move
we need his run and carry and for him to be at his best
I think Raph will be back in that case, perhaps Peake?
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+1......get him right for the chargematrix wrote:knew he didnt look right in the carlton game...
just didnt seem to have those big strides.
good idea, get him in now, fixed up, get stronger and have plenty of time off to come back in a month or so.
while we'll miss him, i think its a great move
we need his run and carry and for him to be at his best
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We are in trouble if 2 players mean we struggle to beat bottom sides. Take any 2 out of Geelong or Collingwood andthey would still beat any of the bottom 8 at the moment.spert wrote:Two hard players to replace in Roo and Gram -a champion CHF and vital running line-breaking backman. This is a test for RL and the coaching crew- and the playing list who need to find that little bit extra.
dcstkfc, I like your avatar, have you had any members of the public giving any information yet?
Gram out is not ideal, I have already stated on here he is very important and sometimes underrated externally.
However as an optimist, there is something about Gram and Roo returning at a similar time to take on the latter half of the season then hitting the finals in peak form.....
Gram out is not ideal, I have already stated on here he is very important and sometimes underrated externally.
However as an optimist, there is something about Gram and Roo returning at a similar time to take on the latter half of the season then hitting the finals in peak form.....
No I am waiting. I have reported it to the police as well.SainterK wrote:dcstkfc, I like your avatar, have you had any members of the public giving any information yet? :)
Gram out is not ideal, I have already stated on here he is very important and sometimes underrated externally.
However as an optimist, there is something about Gram and Roo returning at a similar time to take on the latter half of the season then hitting the finals in peak form.....
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Maybe, but the "right" one player can make a big difference.plugger66 wrote:We are in trouble if 2 players mean we struggle to beat bottom sides. Take any 2 out of Geelong or Collingwood andthey would still beat any of the bottom 8 at the moment.spert wrote:Two hard players to replace in Roo and Gram -a champion CHF and vital running line-breaking backman. This is a test for RL and the coaching crew- and the playing list who need to find that little bit extra.
* T Cloke is in red-hot form now and the Pies are going well.
* Scarlett returns and the Cats step up a cog.
* Judd returns and "sack Ratten" is replaced with "Ratten the genius" and Blues go from looking like bottom four to finals contenders with a shkae of Top 4.
Some players affect teams more than just their ability alone.
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IMO the pies and Geelong are so even that one two or even 3 players wouldnt effect them against ordinary sides. Of course it may against the best sides but they both would have put Essendon away on Sunday. We are out of form so any player missing effects us. I also think in form as shown against the Hawks last year, we can beat the ordinary sides with good players missing.saintsRrising wrote:Maybe, but the "right" one player can make a big difference.plugger66 wrote:We are in trouble if 2 players mean we struggle to beat bottom sides. Take any 2 out of Geelong or Collingwood andthey would still beat any of the bottom 8 at the moment.spert wrote:Two hard players to replace in Roo and Gram -a champion CHF and vital running line-breaking backman. This is a test for RL and the coaching crew- and the playing list who need to find that little bit extra.
* T Cloke is in red-hot form now and the Pies are going well.
* Scarlett returns and the Cats step up a cog.
* Judd returns and "sack Ratten" is replaced with "Ratten the genius" and Blues go from looking like bottom four to finals contenders with a shkae of Top 4.
Some players affect teams more than just their ability alone.
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Well i hope they can help solve the mysterydcstkfc wrote:No I am waiting. I have reported it to the police as well.SainterK wrote:dcstkfc, I like your avatar, have you had any members of the public giving any information yet?
Gram out is not ideal, I have already stated on here he is very important and sometimes underrated externally.
However as an optimist, there is something about Gram and Roo returning at a similar time to take on the latter half of the season then hitting the finals in peak form.....
Might want to report it to the gold coast police as well he could be up there.
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To compare T Cloke with our captain is a sin and should never be tolerated on this site. Besides Cloke was rubbish in the first four rounds.saintsRrising wrote:Maybe, but the "right" one player can make a big difference.plugger66 wrote:We are in trouble if 2 players mean we struggle to beat bottom sides. Take any 2 out of Geelong or Collingwood andthey would still beat any of the bottom 8 at the moment.spert wrote:Two hard players to replace in Roo and Gram -a champion CHF and vital running line-breaking backman. This is a test for RL and the coaching crew- and the playing list who need to find that little bit extra.
* T Cloke is in red-hot form now and the Pies are going well.
* Scarlett returns and the Cats step up a cog.
* Judd returns and "sack Ratten" is replaced with "Ratten the genius" and Blues go from looking like bottom four to finals contenders with a shkae of Top 4.
Some players affect teams more than just their ability alone.
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is Jesse Smith a replacement in waiting ?? couple weeks in the 2's maybe ?!?!?
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I take out Harry O'Brien and Scott Pendlebury, they have no one left to hit a target.plugger66 wrote:We are in trouble if 2 players mean we struggle to beat bottom sides. Take any 2 out of Geelong or Collingwood andthey would still beat any of the bottom 8 at the moment.spert wrote:Two hard players to replace in Roo and Gram -a champion CHF and vital running line-breaking backman. This is a test for RL and the coaching crew- and the playing list who need to find that little bit extra.
For the Cats take out Ablett and Chapman, would severely dent them....
Think it was obvious to a few of us at least, that Gram was and had been carrying an injury, watching his body language and discussion with trainers medical staff etc , as well as watching the way he approached contested ball this year was a sure sign that he wasnt right.
Any one who beleives that all clubs will not play a slightly injured player are kidding themselves, Geelong are probably the best at resting guys with niggles, however their confidence and presence and the winning culture they have built, coupled with the eveness of their side allows this. Gram is not the first the last or the only guy playing who is not quite right.
Obviously we fealt that we could protect him from the in and under a bit and his run and carry would still be more benefit to us. I am disapponted by this, externally we have made a lot of our structures, players playing the roles and executing, personell not being important, yada yada yada. Doesnt look like we actually beleive it though, what message does it send to the rest of the group when a guy who is not able to take his turn at the hard stuff is picked on the back of his ability to do the exciting stuff?
Not saying that Lyon has bullshitted or deliberately deceived the football public, what I am saying is that the selection comittee, including Lyon have made an error, they have made an error in judgement in thinking that a 75% Gram is better than a 100% Eddy, Armitage or Steven and they have also made an error in judgement of human behaviour. A group of young men in a football club live their lives by a set of rules and directions, there discipline is very high, they have restrictions on diet, drinking, social activities, the right time to be out or go home, what time they get up on a Sunday morning etc etc. They are much more disciplined than most of us. In return they expect the same rules for everyone in the group, not for senior players to get exception to team rules, training needs etc because they are good players. In my mind the coach and selection comitte should apologise to the group for playing an injured player and to Gram for asking him to go out there injured even though he probably wanted too. I for one have been critical of his output this year, but really its not his fault.
Any one who beleives that all clubs will not play a slightly injured player are kidding themselves, Geelong are probably the best at resting guys with niggles, however their confidence and presence and the winning culture they have built, coupled with the eveness of their side allows this. Gram is not the first the last or the only guy playing who is not quite right.
Obviously we fealt that we could protect him from the in and under a bit and his run and carry would still be more benefit to us. I am disapponted by this, externally we have made a lot of our structures, players playing the roles and executing, personell not being important, yada yada yada. Doesnt look like we actually beleive it though, what message does it send to the rest of the group when a guy who is not able to take his turn at the hard stuff is picked on the back of his ability to do the exciting stuff?
Not saying that Lyon has bullshitted or deliberately deceived the football public, what I am saying is that the selection comittee, including Lyon have made an error, they have made an error in judgement in thinking that a 75% Gram is better than a 100% Eddy, Armitage or Steven and they have also made an error in judgement of human behaviour. A group of young men in a football club live their lives by a set of rules and directions, there discipline is very high, they have restrictions on diet, drinking, social activities, the right time to be out or go home, what time they get up on a Sunday morning etc etc. They are much more disciplined than most of us. In return they expect the same rules for everyone in the group, not for senior players to get exception to team rules, training needs etc because they are good players. In my mind the coach and selection comitte should apologise to the group for playing an injured player and to Gram for asking him to go out there injured even though he probably wanted too. I for one have been critical of his output this year, but really its not his fault.
Maybe this year?
Someone whom knows what I know, being saying it to, but for some reason some of these clowns don't believe it!!!!!Bernard Shakey wrote:Well surprise surprise.
I've been saying for ages that he's been carrying this for over a year.
They hoped rest during the break before the season would solve the problem.
At least now they've acknowledged he is injured and have taken steps to fix it.
I got shot down, by one in particular, who is in the know(just ask him), funny though carn't seem to find him now!!!!!
Grammy has been carrying this since early 2009 (thus his kicking has been affected), as you would know: nursed it through the majority of last year!!!!!
I don't know if 4 weeks will be enough time, but that's what they will give him, he will never kick the same again( as good as he once did), but let's hope it doesn't ruin him like it did with another who used to play here!!!!!
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Ok so we understand it might be a minimum of 8 weeks. Judd and Ball had the same op over the summer of 08/09. If that's the case I can't see Gram returning until the end of the year, possibly.3:16 wrote:Someone whom knows what I know, being saying it to, but for some reason some of these clowns don't believe it!!!!!Bernard Shakey wrote:Well surprise surprise.
I've been saying for ages that he's been carrying this for over a year.
They hoped rest during the break before the season would solve the problem.
At least now they've acknowledged he is injured and have taken steps to fix it.
I got shot down, by one in particular, who is in the know(just ask him), funny though carn't seem to find him now!!!!!
Grammy has been carrying this since early 2009 (thus his kicking has been affected), as you would know: nursed it through the majority of last year!!!!!
I don't know if 4 weeks will be enough time, but that's what they will give him, he will never kick the same again( as good as he once did), but let's hope it doesn't ruin him like it did with another who used to play here!!!!!
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If you hide the jam tins he may not get intimidated.3:16 wrote:Someone whom knows what I know, being saying it to, but for some reason some of these clowns don't believe it!!!!!Bernard Shakey wrote:Well surprise surprise.
I've been saying for ages that he's been carrying this for over a year.
They hoped rest during the break before the season would solve the problem.
At least now they've acknowledged he is injured and have taken steps to fix it.
I got shot down, by one in particular, who is in the know(just ask him), funny though carn't seem to find him now!!!!!
Grammy has been carrying this since early 2009 (thus his kicking has been affected), as you would know: nursed it through the majority of last year!!!!!
I don't know if 4 weeks will be enough time, but that's what they will give him, he will never kick the same again( as good as he once did), but let's hope it doesn't ruin him like it did with another who used to play here!!!!!
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