Our "floating" players never cement a spot
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Our "floating" players never cement a spot
Armo, Mac, Eddy...3 blokes who alternate between the Saints and Sandy, but seem to do very little when coming into the side.
Thought Armo and Mac were both very quiet and offered very little...but what of next week? Steven, Eddy and Raph come back and do the same?
We seem to be gathering apool of blokes who are showing up the vast difference between VFL and AFL footy. Play great footy for Sandy, get their chance, then get 9 touches and 4 mark for the Saints, go back to Sandy..etc etc.
We BADLY need one of these blokes to grab their chance by the scruff of the neck and demand they keep their spot
I fear for Minis spot this week...lets hope hes not another one to add to this list
..and yes, four of the above are first round draft picks
Thought Armo and Mac were both very quiet and offered very little...but what of next week? Steven, Eddy and Raph come back and do the same?
We seem to be gathering apool of blokes who are showing up the vast difference between VFL and AFL footy. Play great footy for Sandy, get their chance, then get 9 touches and 4 mark for the Saints, go back to Sandy..etc etc.
We BADLY need one of these blokes to grab their chance by the scruff of the neck and demand they keep their spot
I fear for Minis spot this week...lets hope hes not another one to add to this list
..and yes, four of the above are first round draft picks
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Re: Our "floating" players never cement a spot
Yeah it's tough. Like I said in the other thread, why can't we get just one of our newer draft picks so have a sensational match. It seems every other side can do it, but who was our last?saint66au wrote:Armo, Mac, Eddy...3 blokes who alternate between the Saints and Sandy, but seem to do very little when coming into the side.
Thought Armo and Mac were both very quiet and offered very little...but what of next week? Steven, Eddy and Raph come back and do the same?
We seem to be gathering apool of blokes who are showing up the vast difference between VFL and AFL footy. Play great footy for Sandy, get their chance, then get 9 touches and 4 mark for the Saints, go back to Sandy..etc etc.
We BADLY need one of these blokes to grab their chance by the scruff of the neck and demand they keep their spot
I fear for Minis spot this week...lets hope hes not another one to add to this list
..and yes, four of the above are first round draft picks
Sam Fisher? Sam Gilbert? This is going back a few years...
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Re: Our "floating" players never cement a spot
Totally agree, and the biggest shame is that Armo (late last year and NAB Cup), Big Mac (late last year) and Eddy (2008) have shown signs that they will hold down spots, only to fall out of form quickly.saint66au wrote:Armo, Mac, Eddy...3 blokes who alternate between the Saints and Sandy, but seem to do very little when coming into the side.
Thought Armo and Mac were both very quiet and offered very little...but what of next week? Steven, Eddy and Raph come back and do the same?
We seem to be gathering apool of blokes who are showing up the vast difference between VFL and AFL footy. Play great footy for Sandy, get their chance, then get 9 touches and 4 mark for the Saints, go back to Sandy..etc etc.
We BADLY need one of these blokes to grab their chance by the scruff of the neck and demand they keep their spot
I fear for Minis spot this week...lets hope hes not another one to add to this list
..and yes, four of the above are first round draft picks :shock:
The sad thing tonight was that Lenny, Dal, Joey, BJ, Blakey, CJ, Gardi and Gilbo were our best 8 players, and we went down.
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Yep, still no sign of annoying little running shytes that most other clubs have....armo isn't fast enough, neither is Eddy or anyone young on our list.bobmurray wrote:I'm concerned now that Armo and Mac won't make the grade,which puts us well behind the 8 ball.....
Remind who West Coast have.
No doubt another loss coming up in the West next Sunday....
We are too slow and one dimensional at the moment.
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Never understood this line when it is trotted out here. Thought he was a gun the very first time I saw him,and he always showed a hell of a lot more than what any of our youngsters have in the last 5 yearsSaint Bev wrote:I still have faith these guys can come good. They are young and its early games. Remember Goddard when he first started.
Bring back the Lockett era
Remember Jones when he first started?jonesy wrote:Never understood this line when it is trotted out here. Thought he was a gun the very first time I saw him,and he always showed a hell of a lot more than what any of our youngsters have in the last 5 yearsSaint Bev wrote:I still have faith these guys can come good. They are young and its early games. Remember Goddard when he first started.
And Gilbert?
Dare I say it Blake?
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Goddard was slow starting but had exceptional skills. None of these marginal players are showing anything but being average players, which will end up either in obscurity or being a list clogger.
We had a truelly truelly awfull off season, Maguire is now staring, Ball is staring, Lovett (nothing to be said), Peake is a list clogger.
We had a truelly truelly awfull off season, Maguire is now staring, Ball is staring, Lovett (nothing to be said), Peake is a list clogger.
Re: Our "floating" players never cement a spot
and both of them took their time to developbattye wrote:Yeah it's tough. Like I said in the other thread, why can't we get just one of our newer draft picks so have a sensational match. It seems every other side can do it, but who was our last?saint66au wrote:Armo, Mac, Eddy...3 blokes who alternate between the Saints and Sandy, but seem to do very little when coming into the side.
Thought Armo and Mac were both very quiet and offered very little...but what of next week? Steven, Eddy and Raph come back and do the same?
We seem to be gathering apool of blokes who are showing up the vast difference between VFL and AFL footy. Play great footy for Sandy, get their chance, then get 9 touches and 4 mark for the Saints, go back to Sandy..etc etc.
We BADLY need one of these blokes to grab their chance by the scruff of the neck and demand they keep their spot
I fear for Minis spot this week...lets hope hes not another one to add to this list
..and yes, four of the above are first round draft picks
Sam Fisher? Sam Gilbert? This is going back a few years...
Surely sometime soon its our turn for a Joel Selwood, Daniel Rich or Cyril Rioli?
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Re: Our "floating" players never cement a spot
Hopefully through inspired trading or amazing luck in the draft, and not because of ladder position this yearsaint66au wrote:and both of them took their time to developbattye wrote:Yeah it's tough. Like I said in the other thread, why can't we get just one of our newer draft picks so have a sensational match. It seems every other side can do it, but who was our last?saint66au wrote:Armo, Mac, Eddy...3 blokes who alternate between the Saints and Sandy, but seem to do very little when coming into the side.
Thought Armo and Mac were both very quiet and offered very little...but what of next week? Steven, Eddy and Raph come back and do the same?
We seem to be gathering apool of blokes who are showing up the vast difference between VFL and AFL footy. Play great footy for Sandy, get their chance, then get 9 touches and 4 mark for the Saints, go back to Sandy..etc etc.
We BADLY need one of these blokes to grab their chance by the scruff of the neck and demand they keep their spot
I fear for Minis spot this week...lets hope hes not another one to add to this list
..and yes, four of the above are first round draft picks
Sam Fisher? Sam Gilbert? This is going back a few years...
Surely sometime soon its our turn for a Joel Selwood, Daniel Rich or Cyril Rioli?
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Re: Our "floating" players never cement a spot
Or a Nick Riewoldt. Or Luke Ball. Or Justin Koschitzke. All were excellent within their first two years.saint66au wrote:and both of them took their time to developbattye wrote:Yeah it's tough. Like I said in the other thread, why can't we get just one of our newer draft picks so have a sensational match. It seems every other side can do it, but who was our last?saint66au wrote:Armo, Mac, Eddy...3 blokes who alternate between the Saints and Sandy, but seem to do very little when coming into the side.
Thought Armo and Mac were both very quiet and offered very little...but what of next week? Steven, Eddy and Raph come back and do the same?
We seem to be gathering apool of blokes who are showing up the vast difference between VFL and AFL footy. Play great footy for Sandy, get their chance, then get 9 touches and 4 mark for the Saints, go back to Sandy..etc etc.
We BADLY need one of these blokes to grab their chance by the scruff of the neck and demand they keep their spot
I fear for Minis spot this week...lets hope hes not another one to add to this list
..and yes, four of the above are first round draft picks :shock:
Sam Fisher? Sam Gilbert? This is going back a few years...
Surely sometime soon its our turn for a Joel Selwood, Daniel Rich or Cyril Rioli?
STRENGTH THROUGH LOYALTY.
''I still get really excited, and I've got the '66 thing up on the wall in a frame … You look at it and think: one day, we want to achieve that.''- Arryn Siposs
''I still get really excited, and I've got the '66 thing up on the wall in a frame … You look at it and think: one day, we want to achieve that.''- Arryn Siposs
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I agree that there just don't seem to be any distinct attributes that will make Armo, Eddy, Steven, Heyne, McQualter, Geary etc ever really make a mark on AFL level. In a successful side when they are simply holding up team structures while a group of stars win the games these players can look fine, but are exposed when more responsibility is shifted to them.
I'm concerned that they are being trained too defensively and are having creative flair drilled out of them, though it might just be the mould of player we have been recruiting.
To manage a decent win/loss ratio until 'The Return Of Roo' we need some of these guys to step up. Unfortunately Gwilt seems to be the only player on the list who has improved on their 2009 form.
I'm concerned that they are being trained too defensively and are having creative flair drilled out of them, though it might just be the mould of player we have been recruiting.
To manage a decent win/loss ratio until 'The Return Of Roo' we need some of these guys to step up. Unfortunately Gwilt seems to be the only player on the list who has improved on their 2009 form.
I know exactly what you mean.mad saint guy wrote:I agree that there just don't seem to be any distinct attributes that will make Armo, Eddy, Steven, Heyne, McQualter, Geary etc ever really make a mark on AFL level. In a successful side when they are simply holding up team structures while a group of stars win the games these players can look fine, but are exposed when more responsibility is shifted to them.
Out of that group you listed, still I wouldn't write off Armitage or Geary just yet. They still have played a low number of games and seem to have something about them, particularly Armitage.
McQualter is a useful player who I think will continue to play a role for the club.
Steven and Heyne - too early to tell.
Eddy hasn't done anything to suggest he'll be the next... hang on, what position does he even play? I'd say "defensive roamer" for lack of actually knowing.
McEvoy really worries me. He's been on the list a few years, only 14 or 15 games that's true... but as a ruckman he seems out of his depth and too slow around the ground, and as a forward doesn't seem at all potent.
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Jury is out on all. It took time for Gwilt, and it'll take time for them.battye wrote:I know exactly what you mean.mad saint guy wrote:I agree that there just don't seem to be any distinct attributes that will make Armo, Eddy, Steven, Heyne, McQualter, Geary etc ever really make a mark on AFL level. In a successful side when they are simply holding up team structures while a group of stars win the games these players can look fine, but are exposed when more responsibility is shifted to them.
Out of that group you listed, still I wouldn't write off Armitage or Geary just yet. They still have played a low number of games and seem to have something about them, particularly Armitage.
McQualter is a useful player who I think will continue to play a role for the club.
Steven and Heyne - too early to tell.
Eddy hasn't done anything to suggest he'll be the next... hang on, what position does he even play? I'd say "defensive roamer" for lack of actually knowing.
McEvoy really worries me. He's been on the list a few years, only 14 or 15 games that's true... but as a ruckman he seems out of his depth and too slow around the ground, and as a forward doesn't seem at all potent.
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Armo could be a very useful player if he just got more of the ball. He drifts in and out of games and just hasn't been reliable at all. Maybe it's a matter of experience or TOG, but the only change in his game since the early days is that he's kicking less goals.battye wrote:I know exactly what you mean.
Out of that group you listed, still I wouldn't write off Armitage or Geary just yet. They still have played a low number of games and seem to have something about them, particularly Armitage.
McQualter is a useful player who I think will continue to play a role for the club.
Steven and Heyne - too early to tell.
Eddy hasn't done anything to suggest he'll be the next... hang on, what position does he even play? I'd say "defensive roamer" for lack of actually knowing.
McEvoy really worries me. He's been on the list a few years, only 14 or 15 games that's true... but as a ruckman he seems out of his depth and too slow around the ground, and as a forward doesn't seem at all potent.
McQualter's year probably wouldn't look much different to his last if he just converted his opportunities in front of goal. However, he had a very comfortable role in the Riewoldt-oriented forward line and this hsa been thrown out of order in his absence. Mini is now having to take more marks and making less tackles, which doesn't suit him at all. This combined with the fact that opposition teams are more aware of his role has resulted in an ordinary start to the season. His saving grace is probably that there is no one at Sandy pushing him out of the side.
I had very high hopes for Geary after seeing him in the VFL in his first year at the club. He was skilled, reasonably quick and very creative. Now it seems he's becoming a second-rate Steven Baker. He's going ok, but I think he could be a much more damaging player if used differently.
Steven has looked pretty good in the few times I've seen him, but again I don't want to see him become a second-rate tagger, which seemed to be his role in his couple of senior games this year. Heyne has never really done anything that makes me think he'll be an AFL player. Skills are hit-and-miss, not quick enough to be a crumber and not tall enough to be a KPP. Very much in the Matthew Ferguson mould for me. Then again, those two are still very young and should be given opportunities.
Eddy is another who has never looked like he'll be anything more than a backup GOP. I'd rather give someone with skill or pace matches than a guy who has been tried and shown that he's not quite good enough to hold a spot and has little scope for improvement.
I think McEvoy is coming along ok. He hasn't made any great impact but he's just slowly improving all the time. I noticed today that his composure under pressure with the ball is very good and always manages to get a handball away when tackled. His ruckwork was poor to begin with but with training, experience and strength it is slowly coming up to scratch. All throughout the juniors he would have had it easy being one of the few giants with any co-ordination and now playing against men he's realised he can't get by just being tall and able to kick.
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A lot of players don't really come on properly until they've played 50 games or so. What's Armo up to now?
Goddard has always had great skills, but his decision making was horrid early in his career. Thankfully he's turned into a star.
Eddy was only a rookie list player, wasn't he? We perhaps shouldn't expect a massive amount of him compared to those first round picks.
Goddard has always had great skills, but his decision making was horrid early in his career. Thankfully he's turned into a star.
Eddy was only a rookie list player, wasn't he? We perhaps shouldn't expect a massive amount of him compared to those first round picks.
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Once a player is in the team, draft position is completely irrelevant. There's no point in putting extra pressure on early draft picks who aren't all they're cracked up to be and there's no point in giving special rewards to rookies for 'ok' efforts because they were cheap.Winmar wrote:Eddy was only a rookie list player, wasn't he? We perhaps shouldn't expect a massive amount of him compared to those first round picks.
There is nothing to be gained from judging a player because of how they were recruited.