Was Lovett targetted???

[joffaboy]

Quote from RL

"...He certainly wasn't wandering the streets. Let's clear that up, it was reported he was wandering aimlessly. He was at a private party, the music was on, the police came and he was outside. He obviously stepped out of line and was put in the divvy van. He certainly wasn't wandering aimlessly as a hopeless drunk down the street...."

Obviously stepped out of line.

Hmmmmmm.

More to this than him being pissed in the street.

[Con Gorozidis]

As i have said in another post. The only simple/logic is that he mouths off and gets a bit narky when he sees the boys in blue. Only reason they would bother to arrest him?

Unless its a race thing? If it was wed have heard about it for sure.

So im tipping the first explanation is the right one. Cops come. Quieten down people. Usual drill. And then Lovey must ark up get a bit sweary!. Only rational explanation i reckon...

[fingers]

GT's gone. Move on.

[joffaboy]

As i have said in another post. The only simple/logic is that he mouths off and gets a bit narky when he sees the boys in blue. Only reason they would bother to arrest him?

Unless its a race thing? If it was wed have heard about it for sure.

So im tipping the first explanation is the right one. Cops come. Quieten down people. Usual drill. And then Lovey must ark up get a bit sweary!. Only rational explanation i reckon...

Probably correct.

[GrumpyOne]

As i have said in another post. The only simple/logic is that he mouths off and gets a bit narky when he sees the boys in blue. Only reason they would bother to arrest him?

Unless its a race thing? If it was wed have heard about it for sure.

Drunk black man in St Kilda?

Never news when they are arrested.

Might as well been walking around with a huge electro-magnet. Always attracts the badges.

Would have been bonus points to collar an AFL player.

[markp]

I am reminded of the time the lead singer of Yothu Yindi was refused service at the Felix bar on Fitzroy st, St Kilda (which is directly opposite a park where aborigines used to congregate and drink heavily at the time)...

I'm not making any accusation at all, who knows what happened here (it's likely the whole thing was a big non-event drunk being a smart @rse to a cop)... but let's not pretend certain people aren't ever unfairly prejudged sometimes because of how they appear.

[Moods]

I am reminded of the time the lead singer of Yothu Yindi was refused service at the Felix bar on Fitzroy st, St Kilda (which is directly opposite a park where aborigines used to congregate and drink heavily at the time)...

I'm not making any accusation at all, who knows what happened here (it's likely the whole thing was a big non-event drunk being a smart @rse to a cop)... but let's not pretend certain people aren't ever unfairly prejudged sometimes because of how they appear.

So how does Lovett getting locked up for being drunk remind you of this? - bearing in mind you're not making any accustations.

[markp]

I am reminded of the time the lead singer of Yothu Yindi was refused service at the Felix bar on Fitzroy st, St Kilda (which is directly opposite a park where aborigines used to congregate and drink heavily at the time)...

I'm not making any accusation at all, who knows what happened here (it's likely the whole thing was a big non-event drunk being a smart @rse to a cop)... but let's not pretend certain people aren't ever unfairly prejudged sometimes because of how they appear.

So how does Lovett getting locked up for being drunk remind you of this? - bearing in mind you're not making any accustations.

Read the last sentence and work it out Einstein.

[borderbarry]

I am reminded of the time the lead singer of Yothu Yindi was refused service at the Felix bar on Fitzroy st, St Kilda (which is directly opposite a park where aborigines used to congregate and drink heavily at the time)...
I was a Detective at St.Kilda for 4 years. Dont ever remember indigenous people coming under notice in Fitzroy Street or anywhere else in St.Kilda.
I was a Sergeant at Fitzroy shortly after. They did there.
I think the quoted paragraph was probably a media beat up at the time.

[Moods]

I am reminded of the time the lead singer of Yothu Yindi was refused service at the Felix bar on Fitzroy st, St Kilda (which is directly opposite a park where aborigines used to congregate and drink heavily at the time)...

I'm not making any accusation at all, who knows what happened here (it's likely the whole thing was a big non-event drunk being a smart @rse to a cop)... but let's not pretend certain people aren't ever unfairly prejudged sometimes because of how they appear.

So how does Lovett getting locked up for being drunk remind you of this? - bearing in mind you're not making any accustations.

Read the last sentence and work it out Einstein.

I did read the last sentence - still not sure how it relates to the first paragraph though Einstein. Why don't you just say what you think? If it reminds you of Yothu Yindi then yes, you must think there was some degree of racism on the part of the coppers, or that Lovett was locked up due to the way he 'appears.' Just b/c your last paragraph attempts to cover the bases so as not to be accused of playing the race card, doesn't really change anything.

[bigcarl]

"He obviously stepped out of line and was put in the divvy van. He certainly wasn't wandering aimlessly as a hopeless drunk down the street"

so he's a troublesome drunk rather than a hopeless drunk.

well, we've all had our moments. i'm sure he'll either pull his head in or not make it.

there doesn't seem to be a middle ground with our current leadership.

[bigred]

Quote from RL

"...He certainly wasn't wandering the streets. Let's clear that up, it was reported he was wandering aimlessly. He was at a private party, the music was on, the police came and he was outside. He obviously stepped out of line and was put in the divvy van. He certainly wasn't wandering aimlessly as a hopeless drunk down the street...."

Obviously stepped out of line.

Hmmmmmm.

More to this than him being pissed in the street.

Gotta admit.

This DOES sould one hell of a lot better than the "wandering aimlessly" line.

[joffaboy]

I think the quoted paragraph was probably a media beat up at the time.

It certainly was a beat up by the media at the time, but it did happen.

The guy it happened to was more than accepting of the managers apology.

[markp]

I am reminded of the time the lead singer of Yothu Yindi was refused service at the Felix bar on Fitzroy st, St Kilda (which is directly opposite a park where aborigines used to congregate and drink heavily at the time)...

I'm not making any accusation at all, who knows what happened here (it's likely the whole thing was a big non-event drunk being a smart @rse to a cop)... but let's not pretend certain people aren't ever unfairly prejudged sometimes because of how they appear.

So how does Lovett getting locked up for being drunk remind you of this? - bearing in mind you're not making any accustations.

Read the last sentence and work it out Einstein.

I did read the last sentence - still not sure how it relates to the first paragraph though Einstein. Why don't you just say what you think? If it reminds you of Yothu Yindi then yes, you must think there was some degree of racism on the part of the coppers, or that Lovett was locked up due to the way he 'appears.' Just b/c your last paragraph attempts to cover the bases so as not to be accused of playing the race card, doesn't really change anything.

I said exactly what I meant, I made a simple and bleeding obvious observation... but just for you I'll make it simpler; It's likely not a case of racism here, but let's not pretend racism never happens.... so put your little pitchfork away peanut, before you poke your eye out.

[St Michele]

It is a well know statistic that indigenous Australinas are more likely to be arrested for things that non Indigenous Australians are not. I know in WA the difference is 1 non in 45 indigenous so that may explain some of the problem on that night. Sometimes also when people have a few drinks and the police arrive they see themselves as a peacemaker trying to calm the situation and then get themselves in to more trouble.

I don't know what happened that night ( I don't think anyone does unless they were there) but as a one off incident I don't think we need to worry.
Just my 2 cents worth

[chook23]

if it had of been more serious

charges may have included

insulting language
resist arrest
etc

[Moods]

I am reminded of the time the lead singer of Yothu Yindi was refused service at the Felix bar on Fitzroy st, St Kilda (which is directly opposite a park where aborigines used to congregate and drink heavily at the time)...

I'm not making any accusation at all, who knows what happened here (it's likely the whole thing was a big non-event drunk being a smart @rse to a cop)... but let's not pretend certain people aren't ever unfairly prejudged sometimes because of how they appear.

So how does Lovett getting locked up for being drunk remind you of this? - bearing in mind you're not making any accustations.

Read the last sentence and work it out Einstein.

I did read the last sentence - still not sure how it relates to the first paragraph though Einstein. Why don't you just say what you think? If it reminds you of Yothu Yindi then yes, you must think there was some degree of racism on the part of the coppers, or that Lovett was locked up due to the way he 'appears.' Just b/c your last paragraph attempts to cover the bases so as not to be accused of playing the race card, doesn't really change anything.

I said exactly what I meant, I made a simple and bleeding obvious observation... but just for you I'll make it simpler; It's likely not a case of racism here, but let's not pretend racism never happens.... so put your little pitchfork away peanut, before you poke your eye out.

We could debate this all night. I think i made my point and you have made yours.

Suffice to say that Lyon's comments have made me very curious as to what really happened. Either way it doesn't really matter now - imo the coppers, w/o realising it or intending to, have quite likely done Lovett and the saints a big favour. Hopefully Lovett will be bursting at the seams to be impressing his new club, win back their respect, and showing that this will never happen again. If he had been flying through pre-season without incident he may have been tempted to revert back to his old ways closer to the season starting after getting into a comfort zone. Not likely to happen now.

[barks4eva]

Has anyone bothered to ask as to whether the arresting officers are Essendon supporters?

[The Fireman]

"wandering aimlessly" Been doing that my whole life.

[satchmo]

"wandering aimlessly" Been doing that my whole life.

Guitar solos?

Let's not jump to any conclusions here. Whatever reason AL came to the attention of Police, alcohol was the major factor. I would suggest that speculation as to the motivation of the Police is perhaps clutching at straws.

If it happens again he might want to have a bloody good excuse and/or a new career.

[ace]

if it had of been more serious

charges may have included

insulting language
resist arrest
etc

In the USA the charges could have included:
not submitting to a tasering,
not standing still whilst being shot at, and
attempting to vote whilst black.

[Bernard Shakey]

I am reminded of the time the lead singer of Yothu Yindi was refused service at the Felix bar on Fitzroy st, St Kilda (which is directly opposite a park where aborigines used to congregate and drink heavily at the time)...
I was a Detective at St.Kilda for 4 years. Dont ever remember indigenous people coming under notice in Fitzroy Street or anywhere else in St.Kilda.
I was a Sergeant at Fitzroy shortly after. They did there.
I think the quoted paragraph was probably a media beat up at the time.

Ever heard of the Catani Gardens?

If you spent 4 years in St Kilda CI and never saw or heard of any brothers drinking at Catani Gardens, you were bludging on my taxes.

[saintdooley]

GT's gone. Move on.

[The Saintsational Man]

So.....who reckons if, let's say, Jason Gram was in the exact same situation and did exactly the same thing, he'd be arrested aswell?

Hell no....

Lovett was arrested because he was aboriginal, plain and simple.

In no way am I blaming the cops, it's just the was society is.....

Or maybe I'm completely wrong, when does the season start again?

[plugger66]

So.....who reckons if, let's say, Jason Gram was in the exact same situation and did exactly the same thing, he'd be arrested aswell?

Hell no....

Lovett was arrested because he was aboriginal, plain and simple.

In no way am I blaming the cops, it's just the was society is.....

Or maybe I'm completely wrong, when does the season start again?

That is absolute crap. Are only black people arrested for being drunk. I dont think so. So Lovett hits his girlfriend. Was he only charged because he is black. Lets not make that sort of an excuse.