St Kilda looks to grow from within

Moccha · Post: # 837420Post **Moccha** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 1:29am

ST KILDA is unlikely to be a big player in next week's trade negotiations, having tinkered with its list to the point that it reached a grand final. But that could change upon any decision by Luke Ball to move on.

http://www.realfooty.com.au/news/rfnews ... 12725.html

SaintWodonga · Wed 30 Sep 2009 2:28am

best news I have heard. I reckon the players from other clubs (except Gram) we fairly poor the other day.

saintspremiers · Wed 30 Sep 2009 7:24am

Look, it would be great if we could get something for Fish, but I doubt he'd have much if any value.

If Milne remains, question is how to handle him come finals time next year.....do we face reality and just drop him for September???

Schillaci · Post: # 837437Post **Schillaci** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 8:21am

Think Bally will stay and take a pay cut.
Also think no one will be interested in L.Fisher and certainly no trade value.
I'm happy to keep the players we've got and play no role in Club Trades.
Will be interesting to see what Lyon does this year.
With Armitage, Maguire, Steven, Lynch, Heyne, Mc Evoy, Stanley coming through the ranks the improvement from within may be all we need for 2010.

perfectionist · Wed 30 Sep 2009 8:35am

Fair article, but erroneously states that X is 24. He is 26 and Raph is 24.

Bowey Boy · Post: # 837441Post **Bowey Boy** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 8:36am

Interesting that both Maguire and X are related to Benjamin Button !!

saintly · Post: # 837444Post **saintly** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 9:04am

still not sure that its correct idea not to trade for better.

all other clubs will grow and get better, how does the saints do that.?

Mr Magic · Post: # 837447Post **Mr Magic** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 9:30am

SaintWodonga wrote:best news I have heard. I reckon the players from other clubs (except Gram) we fairly poor the other day.

Would we have been in the GF without the contributions this year of our 'foreign legion'?

Animal Enclosure · Wed 30 Sep 2009 9:32am

saintly wrote:still not sure that its correct idea not to trade for better.

all other clubs will grow and get better, how does the saints do that.?

As the article infers, our improvement will come from within ie: Armitage, Steven, McEvoy, Lynch, Stanley, Heyne, etc.

There is also no reason that established and semi-established senior players cannot improve in the same manner that Gilbert, Jones, Montagna and McQualter developed in 2009.

There is a huge amount to like when you have a close look at our list. While we do have a few spots that are vacant or need some more depth (3rd fwd/developing tall forward, pacy mid, tall defender).

I suppose it all comes down to what Bally wants to do. If he chases the cash then we may be able to target one of these 'weaker' areas.

BaysideSaint · Wed 30 Sep 2009 9:51am

Animal Enclosure wrote:
saintly wrote:still not sure that its correct idea not to trade for better.

all other clubs will grow and get better, how does the saints do that.?
As the article infers, our improvement will come from within ie: Armitage, Steven, McEvoy, Lynch, Stanley, Heyne, etc.

There is also no reason that established and semi-established senior players cannot improve in the same manner that Gilbert, Jones, Montagna and McQualter developed in 2009.

There is a huge amount to like when you have a close look at our list. While we do have a few spots that are vacant or need some more depth (3rd fwd/developing tall forward, pacy mid, tall defender).

I suppose it all comes down to what Bally wants to do. If he chases the cash then we may be able to target one of these 'weaker' areas.

could bally be part of a trade with carlton for fevola in your opinion AE? i mean what if it were that goose wanted to actually get a game?
could it come to pass that the club would be prepared to do away with an experienced mid and an extra defender for a qualified forward?
if carlton went cold on fevola what would our position be in being able to bundle up a few players on our extended list for a third tall?

matrix · Post: # 837454Post **matrix** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:06am

whats this with this fev crap all week
ball in part of a trade for fev?...no friggin way
if we actually chased that muppet i would be pretty dark on the club

dont matter tho
wont happen

BaysideSaint · Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:09am

matrixcutter wrote:whats this with this fev crap all week
ball in part of a trade for fev?...no friggin way
if we actually chased that muppet i would be pretty dark on the club

dont matter tho
wont happen

may happen.

Mr Magic · Post: # 837457Post **Mr Magic** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:11am

I would think that Carlton have no desire for Ball? They have already made their play by taking Brock McLean, a similar type of player (inside mid).

BaysideSaint · Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:12am

Mr Magic wrote:I would think that Carlton have no desire for Ball? They have already made their play by taking Brock McLean, a similar type of player (inside mid).

yeah true, but then again we have a huge list.

matrix · Post: # 837459Post **matrix** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:18am

BaysideSaint wrote:
matrixcutter wrote:whats this with this fev crap all week
ball in part of a trade for fev?...no friggin way
if we actually chased that muppet i would be pretty dark on the club

dont matter tho
wont happen
may happen.

wont happen
100 bucks on it right now

spert · Post: # 837461Post **spert** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:23am

All players helped us get to the grand final this year as it was a team effort, but a couple of players didn't produce the goods in the forward line on the biggest day and that was it.

BaysideSaint · Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:27am

matrixcutter wrote:
BaysideSaint wrote:
matrixcutter wrote:whats this with this fev crap all week
ball in part of a trade for fev?...no friggin way
if we actually chased that muppet i would be pretty dark on the club

dont matter tho
wont happen
may happen.
wont happen
100 bucks on it right now

bit hard for me to take you up on that MC but we'll see.

he loves the club and the club loves him but same with banger and look what happened with banger. banger would have him and his hardness at visy in a heartbeat if they let go of fevola.

i reckon carlton will eventually move to have murphy and gibbs at half-forward anyway with some tougher bodies through the midfield. their position is that if they lose a forward they will need a forward unless warnock comes back and kreuzer plays key position.

aussiejones · Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:32am

Ball will not go IMO.

BaysideSaint · Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:35am

aussiejones wrote:Ball will not go IMO.

ball may not have a choice.
i like him and i think he has been very very important, but so is my mother.
i like matt maguire aswell but that doesn't mean that i want to marry him.

matrix · Post: # 837475Post **matrix** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:39am

so people honestly think that the club wants to get rid of luke ball???

and by the looks of it some people want him gone.

we do not need fevola, we have kids in the wings waiting.
we dont need a drunken idiot who is hardly team orientated in our forward line.
carlton wont get rid of him anyway, he copped a 10 grand fine for his latest antics after the club said that the next time he would be out the door.

they get rid of him and who goes forward?
who is going to replace the coleman medalist??

BaysideSaint · Wed 30 Sep 2009 10:49am

matrixcutter wrote:so people honestly think that the club wants to get rid of luke ball???

and by the looks of it some people want him gone.

we do not need fevola, we have kids in the wings waiting.
we dont need a drunken idiot who is hardly team orientated in our forward line.
carlton wont get rid of him anyway, he copped a 10 grand fine for his latest antics after the club said that the next time he would be out the door.

they get rid of him and who goes forward?
who is going to replace the coleman medalist??

you know that i think like that aswell, but yeah, it MAY happen.
it's not that the club wants to get rid of ball (in fact they do not) it's just that we have a hugely extended list of very talented players (and ball is one).
i love luke ball.
even though fevola is a d**khead he is a d**khead who can play footy.
if they are going to get rid of him they may develop kreuzer.

SainterK · Post: # 837494Post **SainterK** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 11:04am

My guess....Carlton will keep Fev, they will suspend him for a few games at the start of 2010 like Geelong did with Stevie J, and not allow him to go on TFS next year.

bergholt · Post: # 837500Post **bergholt** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 11:15am

SainterK wrote:My guess....Carlton will keep Fev, they will suspend him for a few games at the start of 2010 like Geelong did with Stevie J, and not allow him to go on TFS next year.

correct. they're shopping him around to scare him a bit, but they don't actually want to let him go.

reincarnated · Wed 30 Sep 2009 11:28am

bergholt wrote:
SainterK wrote:My guess....Carlton will keep Fev, they will suspend him for a few games at the start of 2010 like Geelong did with Stevie J, and not allow him to go on TFS next year.
correct. they're shopping him around to scare him a bit, but they don't actually want to let him go.

Well nobody is in the market for a key forward who is Fevola's age. Clubs are much more calculated in who they trade in and out and the Fevola's chances are dependant on the age of the core potential premiership winning group.

Reincarnated believes he is potentially only really worthwhile to us, dogs cats and hawks. So really just the dogs as the remaining three sides have either a quality working forward set up or quality key forwards.

He will stay due to a mixture of his age, other teams lists and other teams salary caps

gringo · Post: # 837567Post **gringo** » Wed 30 Sep 2009 12:41pm

I would take Russell Robertson over fev anyday he would be on minimum wage, fits the mid size forward role if he doesnt fire he cost us nothing.

At his best and with good delivery RR would be a better fit.

Nathan Brown is another I have heard we should grab that has done nothing since injury.