Did dawson do as badly as the papers are saying
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Did dawson do as badly as the papers are saying
As some people know i dont care at all what the papers write about our players or club. We are big and ugly enough not to worry about that sort of thing. But just for my own peace of mind did people really rhink Dawson really struggled friday night. i actually thought he was very good down back when he played there but in the papers today a few writters not just one said he struggled friday night. Now they obviously have no agenda so who is right them or me.
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Would love to see Max in the side but Zac is getting unfair treatment by the papers. Made some mistakes Friday night, but was certainly not the only one. Also did some very nice things. The run down and tackle on Johnson, a few good marks and delivery was spot on.
Again, sad for Max, but Zac deserves his spot.
Again, sad for Max, but Zac deserves his spot.
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Drop Eddy move Raph up the ground in comes Max thats about the only way i could see it at the moment.plugger66 wrote:So as sad as is for you and many others you dont think max will get his final game?matrixcutter wrote:shakey early and thought he wasnt that good
watched the replay and have realised that yes he was a bit shakey in some spots
but actually played very very well
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Probably the only way but it seems RL doesnt want all of Zax, Max and Blake in the backline and i have said on numerous occasions that seems right to me.claystreet wrote:Drop Eddy move Raph up the ground in comes Max thats about the only way i could see it at the moment.plugger66 wrote:So as sad as is for you and many others you dont think max will get his final game?matrixcutter wrote:shakey early and thought he wasnt that good
watched the replay and have realised that yes he was a bit shakey in some spots
but actually played very very well
def starter on saturday
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well no plugger i dont think he willclaystreet wrote:Drop Eddy move Raph up the ground in comes Max thats about the only way i could see it at the moment.plugger66 wrote:So as sad as is for you and many others you dont think max will get his final game?matrixcutter wrote:shakey early and thought he wasnt that good
watched the replay and have realised that yes he was a bit shakey in some spots
but actually played very very well
def starter on saturday
unless something from left field is thrown in by ross da boss
lke eddy dropped and backmen are rotated forward or something like that
cant see it happening
maybe eddy out dunno
can see no changes if raph is fine with that knee/leg...seemed to run out ok after
did dawson do as badly
Zac played a graet game sadly he will keep max out of the Grand final
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Zac made a few nervous mistakes early (like almost everybody else) but settled done to play quite a good game. Unfortunately, much like Raph, Zac's mistakes are glaring and potentially very costly.
One lesson I hope Zac takes out of the game is to back himself to take possession of the ball when it's in dispute. At least twice he tried to tap or palm the ball to a team mate, missed the ball and looked really bad. The umpires protect the players that make the play, so grab the footy and make the right decision with it. Take out those few mistakes and he had a great game.
One lesson I hope Zac takes out of the game is to back himself to take possession of the ball when it's in dispute. At least twice he tried to tap or palm the ball to a team mate, missed the ball and looked really bad. The umpires protect the players that make the play, so grab the footy and make the right decision with it. Take out those few mistakes and he had a great game.
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Good summation...started nervously but some of his spoils and 1 %-ers later in the game were crucialStatsman wrote:Zac made a few nervous mistakes early (like almost everybody else) but settled done to play quite a good game. Unfortunately, much like Raph, Zac's mistakes are glaring and potentially very costly.
One lesson I hope Zac takes out of the game is to back himself to take possession of the ball when it's in dispute. At least twice he tried to tap or palm the ball to a team mate, missed the ball and looked really bad. The umpires protect the players that make the play, so grab the footy and make the right decision with it. Take out those few mistakes and he had a great game.
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Zac either does really good things or really bad things
His spoiling over the top was super at times - good thing
He had three major stuff up's i.e going to ground/being out of position etc that most seasoned defenders would not make so often
Reincarnated guesses we have to take the good with the bad with Zac and the media are going to jump all over his poorer efforts as they stick out in the memory more so than the good ones
His spoiling over the top was super at times - good thing
He had three major stuff up's i.e going to ground/being out of position etc that most seasoned defenders would not make so often
Reincarnated guesses we have to take the good with the bad with Zac and the media are going to jump all over his poorer efforts as they stick out in the memory more so than the good ones
The little palm effort later in the game was more annoying - it was too cute and our backline was completely exposed.At least twice he tried to tap or palm the ball to a team mate, missed the ball and looked really bad.
With regards to the journos I think they will try and create a bit of drama where ever they can. Zac was the one in a brilliant defensive team that looked less concrete and so he's the one that will get the spotlight - and no his game was not that bad, in fact pretty solid.
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I heard the game on the radio (mmm) and they bagged Zac from start to finish. They also went on about how it was brilliant coaching by eade to expose our weakest link.
I think they made mention somewhere at the end that we won the game, but I can't be sure.
If he was that bad then he wouldn't play this week, would he?
I think they made mention somewhere at the end that we won the game, but I can't be sure.
If he was that bad then he wouldn't play this week, would he?
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Sadly for Max, I thought Dawson tried his guts out. He's fast and travels all over the ground. I can't believe it, I'm so sorry for Max, but I think we need him in!
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No Zac did better than the papers suggest, he marked strongly at least twice, laid a couple of ripper tackles and did realy well considering he didn't have a matchup all night.
I still think Max can get in the team, with Eddy out and Zac playing a role partly down back and partly down forward.
We need shutdown players for Chappy and Steve J, Max is perfect insurance when either of these play deep or Mooney/Hawkins start getting off the leach.
Gilbert gave us no run down back on Friday night, if he freezes like that again he is better going forward or up to the wing.
Big risk but at this early stage I think Max gives us more options than Eddy or possibly even Dempster.
I still think Max can get in the team, with Eddy out and Zac playing a role partly down back and partly down forward.
We need shutdown players for Chappy and Steve J, Max is perfect insurance when either of these play deep or Mooney/Hawkins start getting off the leach.
Gilbert gave us no run down back on Friday night, if he freezes like that again he is better going forward or up to the wing.
Big risk but at this early stage I think Max gives us more options than Eddy or possibly even Dempster.
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Overall was Zac was good.
Importanty he finished strongly and in the third quarter was superb.
Early on he had his moments...but at that time so were about another Saints.
So he was good in a match where he did not have a good match up. Against the Ctas there are all of Hawkins, Mooney and Ottens to be matched up on.
Max will not displace him.
Max only chance is if Ross decides to play both.
Importanty he finished strongly and in the third quarter was superb.
Early on he had his moments...but at that time so were about another Saints.
So he was good in a match where he did not have a good match up. Against the Ctas there are all of Hawkins, Mooney and Ottens to be matched up on.
Max will not displace him.
Max only chance is if Ross decides to play both.
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First half he was nervous, like virtually everyone else.
Second half he seems to be the spare man at the back which made him look better as he had no opponent for much of the time. Having said that those crucial '3rd man' defender marks - he took quite a few - don't get taken by themselves.
Overall, I was happy with his game. Not a chance he will be dropped for Max IMO. And neither should he be.
Second half he seems to be the spare man at the back which made him look better as he had no opponent for much of the time. Having said that those crucial '3rd man' defender marks - he took quite a few - don't get taken by themselves.
Overall, I was happy with his game. Not a chance he will be dropped for Max IMO. And neither should he be.
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Zac was great and did more then hold his own, i was disgusted to read some of the articles.
His awesome tackle was amazing he was out bodied but didn't give up and got his man with a ripper tackle.
I though he got his fist to the ball and took some really strong marks when he was needed, I found myself saying atleast 5 times "And that's why we play Zac Dawson"
His awesome tackle was amazing he was out bodied but didn't give up and got his man with a ripper tackle.
I though he got his fist to the ball and took some really strong marks when he was needed, I found myself saying atleast 5 times "And that's why we play Zac Dawson"
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Yep, I agree. Bit shaky to start with in patches, but played well as the game went on.matrixcutter wrote:shakey early and thought he wasnt that good
watched the replay and have realised that yes he was a bit shakey in some spots
but actually played very very well
def starter on saturday
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Agreed.saint75 wrote:Yep, I agree. Bit shaky to start with in patches, but played well as the game went on.
He'll be much better this week with a better matchup - any of Hawkins, Ottens, Mooney are fine for him. Notice Minson didn't get near it when stationed forward with Zac on him.
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Re: Did dawson do as badly as the papers are saying
plugger66 wrote:As some people know i dont care at all what the papers write about our players or club. We are big and ugly enough not to worry about that sort of thing. But just for my own peace of mind did people really rhink Dawson really struggled friday night. i actually thought he was very good down back when he played there but in the papers today a few writters not just one said he struggled friday night. Now they obviously have no agenda so who is right them or me.
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I thought he played great considering he only had a proper match up for half the night.
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Our defense was exposed early by Eade's tactics.
When things settled and Ross reorganised, the defense played better as a unit.
To bag Zac is just poor reporting and poor knowledge of the game.
Zac was excellent in the 3rd and played a good game overall, after a shaky start.
When things settled and Ross reorganised, the defense played better as a unit.
To bag Zac is just poor reporting and poor knowledge of the game.
Zac was excellent in the 3rd and played a good game overall, after a shaky start.
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The papers have an agenda,and that is to push the Max non selection story. Therefore they say Dawson was shaky, which is BS, as he did some very good things, no way was he bad like they suggest. However they'll keep doing it right up until 2.00pm saturday as there isn't any other injuries or stories to report. They will manufacture the story all week ,wouldn't be suprised if there was 'Max watch' in the 48 hours leading up to the game. Photo's of him eating at cafe's,photo's of him drinking water on his balcony,etc
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