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Raph & Dal
After seeing todays game I'm pretty worried about Raph. Whilst we saw the form he's capable off before his injury, he just doesn't have the intensity or decision making to play effectively as a part of our gameplan. He hung back a lot and had no idea what to do at times. Some of his kicking (namely the kick in which resulted in a goal) was atrocious. I know he's coming back from injury but he needs to lift from his performance today.
For 3/4 of the game today, Dal was back to last years early form. He started hanging back, peeling off instead of sheparding, going in softly for the ball and so on. Is it just a coincidence when he finally decided to give a s*** we started to play well? I don't think so. I hope someone fired a rocket up his arse at three quarter time as we don't want to see him play like last season again.
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For 3/4 of the game today, Dal was back to last years early form. He started hanging back, peeling off instead of sheparding, going in softly for the ball and so on. Is it just a coincidence when he finally decided to give a s*** we started to play well? I don't think so. I hope someone fired a rocket up his arse at three quarter time as we don't want to see him play like last season again.
Thoughts?
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The Raph & Gwilt bashers don't take long to come out do they.QuestionOfAccuracy wrote:dittojonesy wrote: Nothing new with Raph,apart from the end of last year this is his normal game..ordinary.
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How about you lot find some new material because it's getting very old.
Raph's kick in for instance was intercepted after Lenny waited for the ball instead of going to get it. That didn't matter to the lemmings just waiting for the 'oh Raph' to be released.
As for Gram getting dropped, I support Ross 100% if he's trying to get something through to Jason. Grammy has a huge unfulfilled potential & maybe Ross is getting tough with him to make him a more complete player.
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I thought Raph was serviceable today.....First game back into the seniors after a layoff.
Good effort.
Dal worked through a tag....Good to see.
Good effort.
Dal worked through a tag....Good to see.
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As for Dal, I find it hard that we can say Jones did a job on player X and completely took him out of the game, are we expecting to much of Dal or not giving enough credit to Stiiler who did a wonderful job on Dal.
Dal to his credit came back and was responsible for or had a hand in every goal we kicked in the last quarter.
The more concerning thing was how we slowed our possessions down, the play on quick style of game suits our forwards so much better, the chip it around and then bomb long crept in a few times too often today.
We missed the run and carry.
Dal to his credit came back and was responsible for or had a hand in every goal we kicked in the last quarter.
The more concerning thing was how we slowed our possessions down, the play on quick style of game suits our forwards so much better, the chip it around and then bomb long crept in a few times too often today.
We missed the run and carry.
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Hardly a basher,just telling it how it is with Raph. Do we have to think they're all brilliant players? Raph struggles,simple as that.Animal Enclosure wrote:The Raph & Gwilt bashers don't take long to come out do they.QuestionOfAccuracy wrote:dittojonesy wrote: Nothing new with Raph,apart from the end of last year this is his normal game..ordinary.
We miss Gram badly
How about you lot find some new material because it's getting very old.
Raph's kick in for instance was intercepted after Lenny waited for the ball instead of going to get it. That didn't matter to the lemmings just waiting for the 'oh Raph' to be released.
As for Gram getting dropped, I support Ross 100% if he's trying to get something through to Jason. Grammy has a huge unfulfilled potential & maybe Ross is getting tough with him to make him a more complete player.
Gram,unsure what happened with that decision? You might be right,it might have been a rocket. His attitude on the track leaves a lot to be desired from all reports...though I rate is value highly even if he is half hearted. I don't want to see him flogging away in the 2's for a month now,his body struggles as it is...so don't want him wasted in the 2's
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Thought Raphs last quarter was a lot better, but was concerned over his effort b4 that. Didnt think he was the only one but I thought he didnt comit to the contest or to making contests on a few occasions and struggled to stick a tackle. May struggle to hold his spot.
Thought Dal was tagged well but was still ok, actually thought he tackled well.
Gwilt was down on last weeks output in my mind, didnt stand out for his effort as much as last week.
thought Schneider really struggled with his decision making with ball in hand and quite often kicked to the wrong option or not at all.
Goddard had a lot of it and always does some good things with the footy but I think his finishing was a bit off due to a little bit less time to dispose than he would have liked.
Liked Zac Dawsons game again.
Thought Dal was tagged well but was still ok, actually thought he tackled well.
Gwilt was down on last weeks output in my mind, didnt stand out for his effort as much as last week.
thought Schneider really struggled with his decision making with ball in hand and quite often kicked to the wrong option or not at all.
Goddard had a lot of it and always does some good things with the footy but I think his finishing was a bit off due to a little bit less time to dispose than he would have liked.
Liked Zac Dawsons game again.
Maybe this year?
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Raph was pretty ordinary, but it was his first game back from a long spell out and so I expect him to get better with more game time. Dal was effectively shut down for most of the game, but responded when it mattered in the last term. However, he needs to learn to have a more complete output with a hard tag.
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It was Raph's first AFL game in close to two months. He was clearly a little bit rusty, but went okay. It's a bit much to expect him to star in his first game back.
Dal was okay. Not great, not horrible. He was okay. His ball use was the main problem. That's not normal for him. He'll be fine.
Dal was okay. Not great, not horrible. He was okay. His ball use was the main problem. That's not normal for him. He'll be fine.
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I cannot believe the dribble that comes after each game. We will be pressured more and more as we go. We wont beat sides by 80+ every week. We wont have all players up every week. There are plans in place that change every week to suit each opposition team and ours every week, and unless you have played at this level......buy another cushion!
Thought we were here to discuss the footy, what do you want us to talk about?send out the runner wrote:I cannot believe the dribble that comes after each game. We will be pressured more and more as we go. We wont beat sides by 80+ every week. We wont have all players up every week. There are plans in place that change every week to suit each opposition team and ours every week, and unless you have played at this level......buy another cushion!
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Maybe this year?
very happy with raph's game apart from the kick in. He did a job in the backline and gives the rebound we lost with chips playing as a key back.
dal will have those games but was impressed that he kept working hard to get to contests. Thought our structure was bad and thus we were not able to get as much outside ball.
dal will have those games but was impressed that he kept working hard to get to contests. Thought our structure was bad and thus we were not able to get as much outside ball.
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focus on positives.. there is a lot of work that goes on around each contest ie. positioning. If you noticed rooey hair style kudos to you, but to pot players for going back to "old ways" or having a pea heart, is not what you want from supporters. I doubt you would here this from Golong supporters.
yes there were players down today, but tell me you have gone to work and performed at 100% every day. To play at this level and be consistant is difficult, hense you have differnet best players nearly every week.
Kosi is doing "it" yet last year on here he wouldn't have been selected for the wonthaggi 3rd's
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yes there were players down today, but tell me you have gone to work and performed at 100% every day. To play at this level and be consistant is difficult, hense you have differnet best players nearly every week.
Kosi is doing "it" yet last year on here he wouldn't have been selected for the wonthaggi 3rd's
Focus on what we can control, continuity, skills and hard work coupled with great support!!!
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Yeah true.rexy wrote:Thought we were here to discuss the footy, what do you want us to talk about?send out the runner wrote:I cannot believe the dribble that comes after each game. We will be pressured more and more as we go. We wont beat sides by 80+ every week. We wont have all players up every week. There are plans in place that change every week to suit each opposition team and ours every week, and unless you have played at this level......buy another cushion!
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