"Just Grab Him!!" - So many 'one-sided' players
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"Just Grab Him!!" - So many 'one-sided' players
I heard that cry many times on Sunday, but my guess is that most of those yelling were oblivious to the reason why it was so hard to grab Geelong players. Almost all of them can kick and handpass on both sides. So, they can turn one way, and if about to be tackled simply turn the other and dish off a handpass or kick. Compare that with our team eg Gilbert's attempt to evade a tackle by going onto his left foot!
We have less than half a dozen blokes who can kick both feet. We have half a dozen blokes who can't get 45 metres with their preferred foot! Most of our players can only handpass with one hand. Our skills are woeful.
We have less than half a dozen blokes who can kick both feet. We have half a dozen blokes who can't get 45 metres with their preferred foot! Most of our players can only handpass with one hand. Our skills are woeful.
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Let's see.....
Gram... right foot only
King.... right
X..... left
l fisher.... right
max..... handpasses on the right
gehrig... left
joey... right, (his left??)
roo... both mainly right
schneider..... left
ball.... right, okay left
raph.... right
goddard.... right, okay left
gilbert... left
armo... left
birss... right
kosi... right
dempster.... both
fisher... right
dal.... both i think
blake.... right
who's number 28, 29 and 30?
maguire... both
mcqualter.... dont know, does he get a kick?
gwilt..... left, little right
harvey.... both
jones..... left, his right foot is terrible
eddy, geary... dont know
milne.... both
gees, midfielders particularly should be able to kick both sides
thats just of the top of my head cos im bored
Gram... right foot only
King.... right
X..... left
l fisher.... right
max..... handpasses on the right
gehrig... left
joey... right, (his left??)
roo... both mainly right
schneider..... left
ball.... right, okay left
raph.... right
goddard.... right, okay left
gilbert... left
armo... left
birss... right
kosi... right
dempster.... both
fisher... right
dal.... both i think
blake.... right
who's number 28, 29 and 30?
maguire... both
mcqualter.... dont know, does he get a kick?
gwilt..... left, little right
harvey.... both
jones..... left, his right foot is terrible
eddy, geary... dont know
milne.... both
gees, midfielders particularly should be able to kick both sides
thats just of the top of my head cos im bored
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Re: Just Grab Him!!!
problem is that many times we did grab them and the tackles were not rewarded.perfectionist wrote:I heard that cry many times on Sunday, but my guess is that most of those yelling were oblivious to the reason why it was so hard to grab Geelong players.
the cats must be under instructions to try to break every tackle. maybe we should try the same.
they certainly have the umpires hoodwinked
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interesting that the cats' other side' is always away from the umpire's vision
those handpasses- and those turns before' the ball comes loose' as they are tackled![Shocked :shock:](./images/smilies/icon_eek.gif)
those handpasses- and those turns before' the ball comes loose' as they are tackled
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As much as all this disturbes me too, in the last month coming into finals we were ranked number 1 in disposal efficiency!!!fonz_#15 wrote:this is something that infuriates me.
these blokes should be at least decent on both sides.
we are possibly the most "one-sided" team in the comp.
It all comes down to pressure
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As I have posted before....JB unfortuntealy did not weight kicking skills sufficiently high enough in making his overall recommendations on who to draft.
Apart from being one-sided...it is also that many are poor kicks when you compare them on average to players of other teams..
System and science were poorly lacking in our previous recuiting approach.
Was lisyening to one of the Geelong Assistant Coaches speak on Harry Taylor at lunchtime today. They said they drafted him as they knew that Egan was very questionable for 2008.....and wanteda big back to replace him that could play in 2008...so hence they used their first pick on an older drfatee in Taylor. Now there is list propper management for you.
Apart from being one-sided...it is also that many are poor kicks when you compare them on average to players of other teams..
System and science were poorly lacking in our previous recuiting approach.
Was lisyening to one of the Geelong Assistant Coaches speak on Harry Taylor at lunchtime today. They said they drafted him as they knew that Egan was very questionable for 2008.....and wanteda big back to replace him that could play in 2008...so hence they used their first pick on an older drfatee in Taylor. Now there is list propper management for you.
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So why does JB get rated so highly...saintsRrising wrote:As I have posted before....JB unfortuntealy did not weight kicking skills sufficiently high enough in making his overall recommendations on who to draft.
Apart from being one-sided...it is also that many are poor kicks when you compare them on average to players of other teams..
System and science were poorly lacking in our previous recuiting approach.
Was lisyening to one of the Geelong Assistant Coaches speak on Harry Taylor at lunchtime today. They said they drafted him as they knew that Egan was very questionable for 2008.....and wanteda big back to replace him that could play in 2008...so hence they used their first pick on an older drfatee in Taylor. Now there is list propper management for you.
Anyway,he did his best and now it's someone else's turn....
I hope the coaches have instructed the recruiters in what to look for,it would surely make the coaches job easier if the players had better skills when they were recruited....
We need to find another Harry Taylor type......
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Re: Just Grab Him!!!
Spot on bigcarl and you got it right also saintbrat, they turn away from the umpire and do what they like.bigcarl wrote:problem is that many times we did grab them and the tackles were not rewarded.perfectionist wrote:I heard that cry many times on Sunday, but my guess is that most of those yelling were oblivious to the reason why it was so hard to grab Geelong players.
the cats must be under instructions to try to break every tackle. maybe we should try the same.
they certainly have the umpires hoodwinked
I must admit, though, that we are probably the worst team in the comp for onesided players.
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To be fair the first part of JB's career was fine by AFL standards. Competing against his then peers he did very well.bobmurray wrote:
So why does JB get rated so highly...
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Things is though that player identification moved on from just being an art to being a science.
To be fair also to JB he was not given the resources of other teams.
However IMO JB would not have had the skill set to use modern tools and methodologies.
JB was no longer competing against his former peers....but against a new breed of more skilled recruiting competitors.
Too often we then chose "talent" that other clubs passed over for various skill or character flaws.
In recent years the Saints have made many errors....but probably the biggest error was not ramping up and entering the new age of recruiting as a science about 5 to 10 years ago.
We belatedly joined the club only one draft period ago. Way too late.
You can add to this a slap dash attitude to player development (which was not JB's role and so this is a criticism of others and not JB) to not make the most of EVERY player drafted.
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One reason for the last 2 points. Money.saintsRrising wrote:To be fair the first part of JB's career was fine by AFL standards. Competing against his then peers he did very well.bobmurray wrote:
So why does JB get rated so highly...
......
Things is though that player identification moved on from just being an art to being a science.
To be fair also to JB he was not given the resources of other teams.
However IMO JB would not have had the skill set to use modern tools and methodologies.
JB was no longer competing against his former peers....but against a new breed of more skilled recruiting competitors.
Too often we then chose "talent" that other clubs passed over for various skill or character flaws.
In recent years the Saints have made many errors....but probably the biggest error was not ramping up and entering the new age of recruiting as a science about 5 to 10 years ago.
We belatedly joined the club only one draft period ago. Way too late.
You can add to this a slap dash attitude to player development (which was not JB's role and so this is a criticism of others and not JB) to not make the most of EVERY player drafted.
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One of your best posts on this board, IMO.saintsRrising wrote:To be fair the first part of JB's career was fine by AFL standards. Competing against his then peers he did very well.bobmurray wrote:So why does JB get rated so highly
Things is though that player identification moved on from just being an art to being a science.
To be fair also to JB he was not given the resources of other teams.
However IMO JB would not have had the skill set to use modern tools and methodologies.
JB was no longer competing against his former peers....but against a new breed of more skilled recruiting competitors.
Too often we then chose "talent" that other clubs passed over for various skill or character flaws.
In recent years the Saints have made many errors....but probably the biggest error was not ramping up and entering the new age of recruiting as a science about 5 to 10 years ago.
We belatedly joined the club only one draft period ago. Way too late.
You can add to this a slap dash attitude to player development (which was not JB's role and so this is a criticism of others and not JB) to not make the most of EVERY player drafted.
Well said.
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No, not at all.plugger66 wrote:One reason for the last 2 points. Money.saintsRrising wrote:To be fair the first part of JB's career was fine by AFL standards. Competing against his then peers he did very well.
In recent years the Saints have made many errors....but probably the biggest error was not ramping up and entering the new age of recruiting as a science about 5 to 10 years ago.[/b]
We belatedly joined the club only one draft period ago. Way too late.
You can add to this a slap dash attitude to player development (which was not JB's role and so this is a criticism of others and not JB) to not make the most of EVERY player drafted.
It was lack of vision, and lack of an understanding of what was really important. a lack of understanding about what was crucial to long term succes. Complete ignorance basically.
If you understand what is important you do your best in that area.
If you view something as important.....you find a way to fund it.
Example A: For example the then decision makers viewed overseas training camps to be very importnant. They happened.
Example B: Malcom Blight and his million dollar salary. He got paid...and then paid out!!! Both were costly...and would have funded major recriying improvements for many years.
Example C: GT and his half a million dollar salary (why not INSTEAD quarter of a million for a ROOKIE coach (which is what GT was and should have been paid)...and quarter of a million extra for an extra Recruiter, a Development Coach...and some more fitness staff?)
Our problem was that we simply did not have the right decision makers...and the ones we had did not know what was really important...compounded by other clubs that did.
We had one brief expectional trading period gaining GTrain, Hamill and co (attracted by the lure of Blight)...followed by gaining some good early draft picks through the draft by being mediocre...and all of a sudden as a result we had two people in President with his mate installed as coach, who thought they knew all...with a very talented list. A list that they then proceeded to not add further value too...and indeed they systematically kept making poor list decisions.
So Money was not the key issue....lack of ability was.
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Interesting topic.
I'm pretty sure most sides in the comp would be in a similar predicament.
Slightly off topic, but left-footers, for some reason, tend to be extremely one-sided.
Off the top of my head, I can think of three natural two-footed players - players who aren't/weren't bothered in the slightest kicking with either foot and often chose to use their non-dominant foot when they could've used their preferred...
Aussie Jones
Leon Cameron
and Sam Mitchell
Anyone else?
I'm pretty sure most sides in the comp would be in a similar predicament.
Slightly off topic, but left-footers, for some reason, tend to be extremely one-sided.
Off the top of my head, I can think of three natural two-footed players - players who aren't/weren't bothered in the slightest kicking with either foot and often chose to use their non-dominant foot when they could've used their preferred...
Aussie Jones
Leon Cameron
and Sam Mitchell
Anyone else?
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Jeez, don't get me going on Aussie Jones and his 'show-off' decision to go onto his left when he could have gone onto his right only to see the ball fall two metres short....
But to your question, think Bob Skilton, Ian Stewart, Greg Williams and Tony Lockett. You will note that these players have something else in common.
But to your question, think Bob Skilton, Ian Stewart, Greg Williams and Tony Lockett. You will note that these players have something else in common.
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Yes..to some extent......but the whole point of the game is not to just be most...., but to be the one that is better than all others.OLB wrote:Interesting topic.
I'm pretty sure most sides in the comp would be in a similar predicament.
If we want to be the one, we need to be better than most.
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Agreed. Kicking with your opposite foot needs to be drilled into you as a kid though. The older you get the less natural kicking with your wrong foot becomes.saintsRrising wrote:Yes..to some extent......but the whole point of the game is not to just be most...., but to be the one that is better than all others.OLB wrote:Interesting topic.
I'm pretty sure most sides in the comp would be in a similar predicament.
If we want to be the one, we need to be better than most.
Can't teach an old dog new tricks, and all that.
I'm sure you'll find that most AFL players are pretty good with their opposite, just in-game they don't have enough confidence in it to attempt it and risk a turnover. Drill it into them at a young age and it becomes second nature.
Junior coaches and parents are the problem.
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...and dare I say recruiters that do not watch junior players thoroughly enough....OLB wrote:
Junior coaches and parents are the problem.
Which is not to say that you don't take some one sided players.
BUT I have had my fill of the seniors team having so many one sided and/or players with poor footskills.
I want to see this trend changed to another ...
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