Do the players make the coach or....?

tweedaletomanning · Sun 20 Apr 2008 7:42pm

I can't help feeling (maybe stating the obvious) but John Worsefold would be NOTHING!! if Judd and Cousins never played under him....

Unforgiven · Post: # 552258Post **Unforgiven** » Sun 20 Apr 2008 7:47pm

Players make the coach in terms of winning a premiership. You simply need the crop to be there to be able to get a flag.

Grant Thomas made the players, back in the day of 04 etc...That sort of thing can only get you so far. Though at the end of the day, you need certain players with flare, instinct and unpredictability that a coach simply sit backs and ''guides'', James Hird, and now Ablett for example

Zippy · Post: # 552297Post **Zippy** » Sun 20 Apr 2008 9:03pm

They're both important, but the players much more so.

Put me (an average supporter) in charge of an AFL team, and Kevin Sheedy (a supercoach) in charge of a TAC cup team, and I guarantee my team will come out on top. Unless I get given Melbourne, of course.

Bernard Shakey · Sun 20 Apr 2008 9:15pm

You're dreaming Zippy!

Behind Play · Sun 20 Apr 2008 9:36pm

Zippy wrote:They're both important, but the players much more so.

Put me (an average supporter) in charge of an AFL team, and Kevin Sheedy (a supercoach) in charge of a TAC cup team, and I guarantee my team will come out on top. Unless I get given Melbourne, of course.

Percy Jones couldn't do with that great Carlton side. However, these coaches do need players, as they said earlier this year JC himself, couldn't coach Melbourne to a win.

Eastern · Post: # 552320Post **Eastern** » Sun 20 Apr 2008 9:38pm

Players make the coach = Heads

Coach make the players = Tails

!!

Zippy · Post: # 552323Post **Zippy** » Sun 20 Apr 2008 9:47pm

Bernard Shakey wrote:You're dreaming Zippy!

When every player I have is better than every player they have, and my full-forward can snap their fullback in half, and my rovers are stronger than their ruckman, I don't think my complete lack of tactical or inspirational ability will matter . . .

Armoooo · Post: # 552371Post **Armoooo** » Sun 20 Apr 2008 11:44pm

It is really too hard to say, because there are way too many variables considering a coach has to mentor 44 different blokes, there are going to be an unbelievable range of issues involved, both personal and professional.

I'm not sure of the exact details but keep this in mind, in roughly 1999 Brisbane got the spoon, towards the end of that year they appointed Leigh Matthews, the next year they made the finals, the year after they won the flag.

I have absolutely NO DOUBT that Leigh Matthews could win a flag this year if he had any of Adelaide, Collingwood, Geelong, Hawthorn, Kangaroos, St.Kilda or Sydney...

Iceman234 · Post: # 552378Post **Iceman234** » Mon 21 Apr 2008 12:03am

Armoooo wrote:It is really too hard to say, because there are way too many variables considering a coach has to mentor 44 different blokes, there are going to be an unbelievable range of issues involved, both personal and professional.

Just on those ratios, in my organisation there would (roughly) be one head coach in charge of two specialist coaches, who would then be in charge of about three to four sub-coaches each who would be responsible for the oversight of about 5-6 players each, and answerable to the head coach.

karnak · Post: # 552410Post **karnak** » Mon 21 Apr 2008 5:17am

This will clear it all up for you a little more.

An army of Sheep lead by a Lion..... will always defeat an army of Lions lead by a Sheep.....

karnak · Post: # 552411Post **karnak** » Mon 21 Apr 2008 5:18am

It can therefore be said that an Army of Saints players lead by a Lyon..... Will defeat everyone!

hehehe.

Carn the Saints.

LENNY LEADS THE WAY · Sun 27 Apr 2008 3:02am

After watching tonights game closely and following the past 18 months the coach is 100 percent the bi product of the result,

Crap plan equals crap performace