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Soon come
Steele King Collard
Wilson Caminiti Henry
Wood Dow Hill
NWM Arnie Sinclair
Battle Howard Wilkie
Marshall Owens Garcia
Windhager Hayes Clark Higgins
Top 4.
Wilson Caminiti Henry
Wood Dow Hill
NWM Arnie Sinclair
Battle Howard Wilkie
Marshall Owens Garcia
Windhager Hayes Clark Higgins
Top 4.
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Re: Soon come
Soon?
Henry is at least a month away, as is Crouch...So if you're including Henry then you need to add Crouch - or leave both of them out.
Webster is back after next week...Surely he comes in.
Is Arnie Arie Schoenmaker?
And, to be honest, even with an improved effort that team is not even close to top 4...It is barely a top 8 team.
Who out of Brisbane, Port, Melbourne, Carlton, Geelong, Collingwood, GWS, and Sydney are we going past?
We are fighting with Bulldogs, Essendon, Gold Coast, Fremantle, and Adelaide in the next group and two of those teams have already beaten us.
If the AFL was split into two divisions, we'd be a competitive team in the 2nd division, but we are not a division 1 team.
Henry is at least a month away, as is Crouch...So if you're including Henry then you need to add Crouch - or leave both of them out.
Webster is back after next week...Surely he comes in.
Is Arnie Arie Schoenmaker?
And, to be honest, even with an improved effort that team is not even close to top 4...It is barely a top 8 team.
Who out of Brisbane, Port, Melbourne, Carlton, Geelong, Collingwood, GWS, and Sydney are we going past?
We are fighting with Bulldogs, Essendon, Gold Coast, Fremantle, and Adelaide in the next group and two of those teams have already beaten us.
If the AFL was split into two divisions, we'd be a competitive team in the 2nd division, but we are not a division 1 team.
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Re: Soon come
After the Richmond win we were 9th on the ladder and at that time I thought that's about right .
We are capable of beating anyone but we are also lacking in many areas.
We are capable of beating anyone but we are also lacking in many areas.
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I think you may have a loose definition of "capable". We can't be lacking in many key areas and still be capable.mr six o'clock wrote: ↑Fri 19 Apr 2024 10:45am After the Richmond win we were 9th on the ladder and at that time I thought that's about right .
We are capable of beating anyone but we are also lacking in many areas.
If we claim a big scalp, it's generally out of nowhere and we rely on the opposition to do something wrong. Anyone can beat anyone given the right circumstances - e.g. West Coast beating Richmond last week...Out of nowhere.
Collingwood in round 2 were not on their game when we beat them. They may not be still, but they are a much better team than we are. They really only lack a consistent key forward. They have a solid defence, a midfield to die for including a clearance beast and really classy ball users.
GWS, Carlton, Melbourne, Geelong, Sydney, Port, Brisbane...All much better teams than us...And, after last night, you can add the Bulldogs to the list.
We have a very ordinary midfield at the moment. It will improve, but there is no quick fix to our woes. We have a forward line that is so dependent on one player, that it's almost Lockett-esque. Our next best full forward - one who leads to the right spots - is only 178cm tall and is not a reliable shot at goal. He also arguably leads better than King does...A bit like Milney, a full forward in the body of a forward pocket.
Hate to say it, but September is not on the agenda for a few seasons yet. I really thought we'd continue the improvement, but we are going backwards at a great rate of knots.
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Re: Soon come
Are we though?
What evidence is there to support that this season?
The 2-4 record? No...That's not it.
The scores of 9.14, 14.10, 9.13, 9.13, 12.7, and 9.10? Can't be that.
The accuracy percentage of 48.6%? Can't be that either.
Must be the workrate (the quarters won)? 9/24. Nope.
Our wonderful starts when the game matters? Nope 3 quarters out of 12 in the first half. Two first quarters and one second quarter.
We are -100 points in the first half alone.
Ah...It must be our third quarters...4/6 and a +34 point differential. They say it's the premiership quarter!
Re: Soon come
We have on our List Steele, Sinclair and Wilkie who all have All Australian blazers
We have Marshall and Hill who are competition class
Then you get to our younger brigade, led by King then Wanganeen-Milera, Owens, Windhager and Phillipou then Wilson and Garcia who all appear up to the level
So that is half a team
To that we add Henry with youth and class
Then to the likes of Battle, Higgins, Crouch, Howard and Clark who are all above “foot soldier” status
So that is 18 - noting that position demographic is absent
To this 18 you could add the likes of Wood, Membrey and you can trawl the remainder on our List for 4 more
We haven’t seen Dow as yet
What this does is highlight the depth of our List which is a problem now under the microscope noting those on our List who have not debuted at AFL level
When contributors bag the List as no good I would suggest that their assessment does not carry merit
Yes, we need more top drawer class including mid resource, KPP’s both forward and back and a versatile ruck option
But, in this, where do we differ from any other side?
So start with the building blocks and go from there
We have Marshall and Hill who are competition class
Then you get to our younger brigade, led by King then Wanganeen-Milera, Owens, Windhager and Phillipou then Wilson and Garcia who all appear up to the level
So that is half a team
To that we add Henry with youth and class
Then to the likes of Battle, Higgins, Crouch, Howard and Clark who are all above “foot soldier” status
So that is 18 - noting that position demographic is absent
To this 18 you could add the likes of Wood, Membrey and you can trawl the remainder on our List for 4 more
We haven’t seen Dow as yet
What this does is highlight the depth of our List which is a problem now under the microscope noting those on our List who have not debuted at AFL level
When contributors bag the List as no good I would suggest that their assessment does not carry merit
Yes, we need more top drawer class including mid resource, KPP’s both forward and back and a versatile ruck option
But, in this, where do we differ from any other side?
So start with the building blocks and go from there
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Re: Soon come
None of the AA Blazer wearing brigade are in AA form...What happened to Sinclair? He is a mere shadow of his past presence.Killa wrote: ↑Fri 19 Apr 2024 4:00pm We have on our List Steele, Sinclair and Wilkie who all have All Australian blazers
We have Marshall and Hill who are competition class
Then you get to our younger brigade, led by King then Wanganeen-Milera, Owens, Windhager and Phillipou then Wilson and Garcia who all appear up to the level
So that is half a team
To that we add Henry with youth and class
Then to the likes of Battle, Higgins, Crouch, Howard and Clark who are all above “foot soldier” status
So that is 18 - noting that position demographic is absent
To this 18 you could add the likes of Wood, Membrey and you can trawl the remainder on our List for 4 more
We haven’t seen Dow as yet
What this does is highlight the depth of our List which is a problem now under the microscope noting those on our List who have not debuted at AFL level
When contributors bag the List as no good I would suggest that their assessment does not carry merit
Yes, we need more top drawer class including mid resource, KPP’s both forward and back and a versatile ruck option
But, in this, where do we differ from any other side?
So start with the building blocks and go from there
Marshall and Hill are the form players for us this season.
Most of our kids look like they'll be players, but that is still years away before they even get close to above average/elite...Especially the first and second year players.
NWM has played one good game where he's been a weapon this season. Round 2 v Collingwood. Have the other teams worked out how to shut him, Bonner, and Sinclair down? If so, that was too bloody easy.
Other than King, who are the players you build a team around? I'll give you the tip, they can't be midfielders or half-back flankers.
Good teams are built around your bookends. FF/CHF/CHB/FB. We don't have a CHF, and I'd argue that we have a servicable FB, but hardly one that compares to level of Moore, May, Andrews, etc. I'd even settle for a McGovern.
We won't make finals this season, making it harder to attract talent to help us get there.
Trouble is that we have a good coach that makes the team seem better than it is. We continue to paper over the cracks rather than effect real change.