For team balance, it’s Byrnes vs Ross
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For team balance, it’s Byrnes vs Ross
Both are in the team as possession accumulating midfielders with the emphasis a bit more on work rate and volume as opposed to fine touch and finesse.
At the moment Byrnes gets the nod for sheer work rate, numbers and speed (to a degree).
Ross alternatively is way ahead on toughness (tackles) but also in terms of his ability to impact the contest or make a clutch play.
Byrnes had 19 touches to 14 but Ross had a whopping 10 tackles. Both in terms of disposal aren’t overly damaging with Ross far more consistent but Byrnes trying to do more difficult things.
The other thing they have in common is that both have failed to go with it after promising starts to the year…
Byrnes way more consistent week in week out but he hasn’t been close to his rd1 heroics and Ross with the much much sharper decline borderline droppable over the last 5 weeks.
I mean being harshly honest… Ross’ decline is the one that’s coincided with the Saints being down. That’s the difference between the first 6 weeks and the last 6… Ross was the guy getting us over the line. His decline has impacted us severely
IMO there’s only really room for one of this type of player at the moment and both really need to get better moving forward if we’re to go anywhere
At the moment Byrnes gets the nod for sheer work rate, numbers and speed (to a degree).
Ross alternatively is way ahead on toughness (tackles) but also in terms of his ability to impact the contest or make a clutch play.
Byrnes had 19 touches to 14 but Ross had a whopping 10 tackles. Both in terms of disposal aren’t overly damaging with Ross far more consistent but Byrnes trying to do more difficult things.
The other thing they have in common is that both have failed to go with it after promising starts to the year…
Byrnes way more consistent week in week out but he hasn’t been close to his rd1 heroics and Ross with the much much sharper decline borderline droppable over the last 5 weeks.
I mean being harshly honest… Ross’ decline is the one that’s coincided with the Saints being down. That’s the difference between the first 6 weeks and the last 6… Ross was the guy getting us over the line. His decline has impacted us severely
IMO there’s only really room for one of this type of player at the moment and both really need to get better moving forward if we’re to go anywhere
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Re: For team balance, it’s Byrnes vs Ross
Zig, Zag or Bozo? Whose costume were you wearing when you posted this?
"Ross' decline...". What you are really saying is he was carrying the team.
"Ross' decline...". What you are really saying is he was carrying the team.
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Re: For team balance, it’s Byrnes vs Ross
100%. He was fantastic after he came back from injury. 27 touches against Port but more so than numbers, he was the guy that made things happen when it mattered.Trev from the Bush wrote: ↑Thu 08 Jun 2023 11:36pm Zig, Zag or Bozo? Whose costume were you wearing when you posted this?
"Ross' decline...". What you are really saying is he was carrying the team.
Has been sitting around 15 touches since then and largely ineffectual since then and our decline has coincided with it.
He’s not been inconsistent like Crouch or Steele that have bad games or big quarters… has been pretty average especially when factoring on his capabilities.
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Re: For team balance, it’s Byrnes vs Ross
prefer Hunter Clark to both but both Ross and Byrnes do a hell of alot of unrewarded running. A large part of our pressure rating is down to them
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Re: For team balance, it’s Byrnes vs Ross
Have to go Bozo, Zig was a devo, Zag was devastated.Trev from the Bush wrote: ↑Thu 08 Jun 2023 11:36pm Zig, Zag or Bozo? Whose costume were you wearing when you posted this?
"Ross' decline...". What you are really saying is he was carrying the team.
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Re: For team balance, it’s Byrnes vs Ross
100% agree. That’s why unless one of them improves out of sight… I think they what they bring to the table is a little too similar at the momentBanger9798 wrote: ↑Thu 08 Jun 2023 11:41pm prefer Hunter Clark to both but both Ross and Byrnes do a hell of alot of unrewarded running. A large part of our pressure rating is down to them
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Re: For team balance, it’s Byrnes vs Ross
Just out of interest, do you think Seb Ross would rather tackle than attack the ball first? Watch him closely, it's a decision he made a few times in his 10 not 20 tackles. Now compare that to Byrnes who plays a balanced approach. He is always looking to go in at the ball first. It's a major difference in their approach to loose ball. Ross just isn't as agile.skeptic wrote: ↑Thu 08 Jun 2023 11:28pm Both are in the team as possession accumulating midfielders with the emphasis a bit more on work rate and volume as opposed to fine touch and finesse.
At the moment Byrnes gets the nod for sheer work rate, numbers and speed (to a degree).
Ross alternatively is way ahead on toughness (tackles) but also in terms of his ability to impact the contest or make a clutch play.
Byrnes had 19 touches to 14 but Ross had a whopping 20 tackles. Both in terms of disposal aren’t overly damaging with Ross far more consistent but Byrnes trying to do more difficult things.
The other thing they have in common is that both have failed to go with it after promising starts to the year…
Byrnes way more consistent week in week out but he hasn’t been close to his rd1 heroics and Ross with the much much sharper decline borderline droppable over the last 5 weeks.
I mean being harshly honest… Ross’ decline is the one that’s coincided with the Saints being down. That’s the difference between the first 6 weeks and the last 6… Ross was the guy getting us over the line. His decline has impacted us severely
IMO there’s only really room for one of this type of player at the moment and both really need to get better moving forward if we’re to go anywhere
Ross's decline came when the coaches asked the mids to win first touch and move the ball forward. Only Gresham could get it done from stoppage. Crouch, Ross and Steele all went into decline.
We set up well behind the ball. Seb Ross applies pressure. Let Windy accumulate and let Ross get his tackle on.
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Re: For team balance, it’s Byrnes vs Ross
Really good observations, thanks for that. I’ve fixed the typo.CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Thu 08 Jun 2023 11:58pmJust out of interest, do you think Seb Ross would rather tackle than attack the ball first? Watch him closely, it's a decision he made a few times in his 10 not 20 tackles. Now compare that to Byrnes who plays a balanced approach. He is always looking to go in at the ball first. It's a major difference in their approach to loose ball. Ross just isn't as agile.skeptic wrote: ↑Thu 08 Jun 2023 11:28pm Both are in the team as possession accumulating midfielders with the emphasis a bit more on work rate and volume as opposed to fine touch and finesse.
At the moment Byrnes gets the nod for sheer work rate, numbers and speed (to a degree).
Ross alternatively is way ahead on toughness (tackles) but also in terms of his ability to impact the contest or make a clutch play.
Byrnes had 19 touches to 14 but Ross had a whopping 20 tackles. Both in terms of disposal aren’t overly damaging with Ross far more consistent but Byrnes trying to do more difficult things.
The other thing they have in common is that both have failed to go with it after promising starts to the year…
Byrnes way more consistent week in week out but he hasn’t been close to his rd1 heroics and Ross with the much much sharper decline borderline droppable over the last 5 weeks.
I mean being harshly honest… Ross’ decline is the one that’s coincided with the Saints being down. That’s the difference between the first 6 weeks and the last 6… Ross was the guy getting us over the line. His decline has impacted us severely
IMO there’s only really room for one of this type of player at the moment and both really need to get better moving forward if we’re to go anywhere
Ross's decline came when the coaches asked the mids to win first touch and move the ball forward. Only Gresham could get it done from stoppage. Crouch, Ross and Steele all went into decline.
We set up well behind the ball. Seb Ross applies pressure. Let Windy accumulate and let Ross get his tackle on.
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Re: For team balance, it’s Byrnes vs Ross
Both important tonight
Defensively
Ross did a job on Warner
Byrnes ran hard on the wing
Defensively
Ross did a job on Warner
Byrnes ran hard on the wing
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Re: For team balance, it’s Byrnes vs Ross
Warner goes hard too, there were no easy touches and the kid can play. Ross was really smart, tackled cleanly and looked really strong.
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Re: For team balance, it’s Byrnes vs Ross
Windhager got the job on Warner in second half. Warner killed us in the first half.
Thought Seb did what Seb does best in the second half. Applied plenty of pressure and hit bodies.
You won't get that sort of effort from a player plucked from Sandy. He's a seasoned footballer, definitely not the sole reason for our poor form the last month. People saying he should be dropped are clueless. Think people were calling for Crouch to be dropped as well, which is just insane.
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Re: For team balance, it’s Byrnes vs Ross
Round 2-7 disposals:
24, 24, 30, 26, 24, 27
Round 8-13 disposals:
12, 19, 12, 16, 14
Simply not good enough for a mid from Ross the last 5 games stretch
24, 24, 30, 26, 24, 27
Round 8-13 disposals:
12, 19, 12, 16, 14
Simply not good enough for a mid from Ross the last 5 games stretch
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Re: For team balance, it’s Byrnes vs Ross
Pretty simplistic assessment. Can you tie your shoelaces as well?
Tell me, mate. Name a player at Sandy capable enough and seasoned enough to follow a team structure and play accountable football for 120 mins?
Unfortunately we don't have the depth through the midfield to drop an onfield leader just because he hasn't gotten 20 possessions the last five weeks. Half the midfield would be dropped if that's the case.
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Re: For team balance, it’s Byrnes vs Ross
So he doesn't have to lift his standards because there is no one behind him banging the door down?Lennylegs wrote: ↑Fri 09 Jun 2023 10:33amPretty simplistic assessment. Can you tie your shoelaces as well?
Tell me, mate. Name a player at Sandy capable enough and seasoned enough to follow a team structure and play accountable football for 120 mins?
Unfortunately we don't have the depth through the midfield to drop an onfield leader just because he hasn't gotten 20 possessions the last five weeks. Half the midfield would be dropped if that's the case.
Sounds like the makings of a premiership team to me
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Re: For team balance, it’s Byrnes vs Ross
He did lift his standards last night. Laid ten tackles and worked his butt off. The whole team lifted their standards last night.The_Dud wrote: ↑Fri 09 Jun 2023 10:35amSo he doesn't have to lift his standards because there is no one behind him banging the door down?Lennylegs wrote: ↑Fri 09 Jun 2023 10:33amPretty simplistic assessment. Can you tie your shoelaces as well?
Tell me, mate. Name a player at Sandy capable enough and seasoned enough to follow a team structure and play accountable football for 120 mins?
Unfortunately we don't have the depth through the midfield to drop an onfield leader just because he hasn't gotten 20 possessions the last five weeks. Half the midfield would be dropped if that's the case.
Sounds like the makings of a premiership team to me
And at this point we have the makings of a team that'll probably play finals. Exactly where we should be aiming with this list.
And way to shirk the argument, by the way. Good stuff.
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Re: For team balance, it’s Byrnes vs Ross
yep....Hunter Clarke ..must get him back in asap maybe at the expense of Byrnes. but thought Byrnes did okBanger9798 wrote: ↑Thu 08 Jun 2023 11:41pm prefer Hunter Clark to both but both Ross and Byrnes do a hell of alot of unrewarded running. A large part of our pressure rating is down to them
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Re: For team balance, it’s Byrnes vs Ross
I'll answer your question right after you point out where in my post I said he should be droppedLennylegs wrote: ↑Fri 09 Jun 2023 10:39amHe did lift his standards last night. Laid ten tackles and worked his butt off. The whole team lifted their standards last night.The_Dud wrote: ↑Fri 09 Jun 2023 10:35amSo he doesn't have to lift his standards because there is no one behind him banging the door down?Lennylegs wrote: ↑Fri 09 Jun 2023 10:33amPretty simplistic assessment. Can you tie your shoelaces as well?
Tell me, mate. Name a player at Sandy capable enough and seasoned enough to follow a team structure and play accountable football for 120 mins?
Unfortunately we don't have the depth through the midfield to drop an onfield leader just because he hasn't gotten 20 possessions the last five weeks. Half the midfield would be dropped if that's the case.
Sounds like the makings of a premiership team to me
And at this point we have the makings of a team that'll probably play finals. Exactly where we should be aiming with this list.
And way to shirk the argument, by the way. Good stuff.
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Re: For team balance, it’s Byrnes vs Ross
Fair enough then. Probably getting you mixed up with a few others on here. I just thought the words "simply not good enough" were fairly explicit in suggesting Seb needed a spell. But obviously I was wrong.The_Dud wrote: ↑Fri 09 Jun 2023 11:07amI'll answer your question right after you point out where in my post I said he should be droppedLennylegs wrote: ↑Fri 09 Jun 2023 10:39amHe did lift his standards last night. Laid ten tackles and worked his butt off. The whole team lifted their standards last night.The_Dud wrote: ↑Fri 09 Jun 2023 10:35amSo he doesn't have to lift his standards because there is no one behind him banging the door down?Lennylegs wrote: ↑Fri 09 Jun 2023 10:33amPretty simplistic assessment. Can you tie your shoelaces as well?
Tell me, mate. Name a player at Sandy capable enough and seasoned enough to follow a team structure and play accountable football for 120 mins?
Unfortunately we don't have the depth through the midfield to drop an onfield leader just because he hasn't gotten 20 possessions the last five weeks. Half the midfield would be dropped if that's the case.
Sounds like the makings of a premiership team to me
And at this point we have the makings of a team that'll probably play finals. Exactly where we should be aiming with this list.
And way to shirk the argument, by the way. Good stuff.
Cheers for setting me straight.
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Re: For team balance, it’s Byrnes vs Ross
I reckon what this thread is telling us is that Ross is very much underated by many of us (me included)
When his rate of possession accumulation drops off, we seem rudderless in the middle. Not saying he isn't working hard because 10 tackles clearly indicates that he is. But he needs to find a way to win more ball. When he and Crouch were doing that at the start of the year we looked unbeatable. We're talking Luke Parker type game (and boy did the Swans miss him last night)
I think both points of view are valid. Ross shouldn't be dropped. Ross is VERY important to our structure. Ross needs to win more of the footy.
When his rate of possession accumulation drops off, we seem rudderless in the middle. Not saying he isn't working hard because 10 tackles clearly indicates that he is. But he needs to find a way to win more ball. When he and Crouch were doing that at the start of the year we looked unbeatable. We're talking Luke Parker type game (and boy did the Swans miss him last night)
I think both points of view are valid. Ross shouldn't be dropped. Ross is VERY important to our structure. Ross needs to win more of the footy.
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Re: For team balance, it’s Byrnes vs Ross
Yep, this is fair. But I'd also say that's the case for most of the midfield recently. Seb has probably just been more indicative of our midfield's recent drop off.Moods wrote: ↑Fri 09 Jun 2023 11:26am I reckon what this thread is telling us is that Ross is very much underated by many of us (me included)
When his rate of possession accumulation drops off, we seem rudderless in the middle. Not saying he isn't working hard because 10 tackles clearly indicates that he is. But he needs to find a way to win more ball. When he and Crouch were doing that at the start of the year we looked unbeatable. We're talking Luke Parker type game (and boy did the Swans miss him last night)
I think both points of view are valid. Ross shouldn't be dropped. Ross is VERY important to our structure. Ross needs to win more of the footy.
Glad you see his value to the side. I'm just tired of the criticism he cops from saints fans. It's been going on for 5+ years. Not every player is gonna be a superstar ball winning midfielder. You need players like Seb.
Cheers.