Dan's 5 goal bag

[saynta]

https://www.saints.com.au/video/1139670 ... 3829693001

[WellardSaint]

24 touches.
He'll come back in, but at whose expense?
Byrnes waa medi-sub, Butler in means Ronnie misses out again?

[meher baba]

We could have used some of that form against the Kangaroos, especially in the second quarter.

He absolutely must come back in: most likely for Sharman.

[ace]

We could have used some of that form against the Kangaroos, especially in the second quarter.

He absolutely must come back in: most likely for Sharman.

The Saints badly missed Steele at clearances but also missed goal kicking small forwards.
Smalls at the feet of the packs to kick goals and to stop easy get out of defensive 50s.

But hopefully 4 weeks will be enough for Higgins to recover from concussion and 2 weeks from covid.
That leaves Sharman as likely to miss out but who will be first choice Higgins or Butler.

[WellardSaint]

We could have used some of that form against the Kangaroos, especially in the second quarter.

He absolutely must come back in: most likely for Sharman.

The Saints badly missed Steele at clearances but also missed goal kicking small forwards.
Smalls at the feet of the packs to kick goals and to stop easy get out of defensive 50s.

But hopefully 4 weeks will be enough for Higgins to recover from concussion and 2 weeks from covid.
That leaves Sharman as likely to miss out but who will be first choice Higgins or Butler.

official stats say we lost clearances 44-32 or something.
I thought Crouch and Ross would've given us the lead in that stat, they've been awesome this year.

[Teflon]

Higgins easily at AFL level over Butler who tackles but doesn’t hit the scoreboard
I’d want to Butler string a few games of goals/pressure together before he’s back

[meher baba]

There’s a lot to like about Higgins: he’s a smart player who creates a lot of opportunities.

But he isn’t that strong defensively and he also is a long way from being a reliable shot on goal.

Brisbane have a strong backline and I prefer Butler for this game. Higgins can come back through the seconds and then the selectors can have their headache the following week.

[Yorkeys]

Dan has been given many contiguous chances in the AFL side.
Can't score.
Can't take a contested mark.
Can make the straightforward look unnecessarily complicated.
Third stringer now.
There are plenty of good VFL players running around. We are top 4 contender. No room for showboating or not taking rare opportunities.

[DJ Higgins]

Higgins brings goals and X factor. Lifts the team with his antics butler doesn’t to the same degree. Not saying butler won’t be back but prefer others. Also am I the only one who likes Sharman. . A goal every game and usually when it matters not late when the game is won. He has flaws that he is working on but give me a player that applies scoreboard pressure over one that is more polished elsewhere

[SunnyErnie]

Give Butler another week in the VFL. Make him hungry

[Yorkeys]

Apparently in a 16 goal score 5 is considered a good day, not a "bag".

Also can't make him hungry, there is a contractual requirement to feed VFL players.

[bakes]

When the heat is on, with finals type intensity, you can’t afford to have players that won’t put their body on the line.

This Brisbane game will be too intense for both Butler and to a lesser extent Billings.

I would definitely bring Higgins back in, he has been in fine form and is a little nugget.

[Ghost Like]

When the heat is on, with finals type intensity, you can’t afford to have players that won’t put their body on the line.

Isn't Butler a Premiership player?

[meher baba]

Some very peculiar comments on this thread.

Butler in particular has always put his body on the line.

What you don’t want in big games are too many young and inexperienced players without the hardened bodies that guys who’ve played plenty of AFL have been able to develop.

But it’s up to Ratts. If he wants to roll the dice and use all of the young guys, then I’m sure the club will back him in that choice.

If it were up to me I’d keep Owens and NWM in the team and bring in two more experienced players (two out of Clark, Billings, Higgins and Butler) for Sharman and Windhager.

Butler would be my personal first choice: a premiership player who couldn’t really have made a better case in the reserves.

Anyway, we’ll find out how Ratts sees it soon enough.

[B.M]

Butler’s strength is his defensive pressure

Silly comments indeed

[Trev from the Bush]

When the heat is on, with finals type intensity, you can’t afford to have players that won’t put their body on the line.

This Brisbane game will be too intense for both Butler and to a lesser extent Billings.

I would definitely bring Higgins back in, he has been in fine form and is a little nugget.

Butler doesn't put his body on the line? I must have been watching another player the past three seasons. Or you have, more likely.

[WellardSaint]

Higgins brings goals and X factor. Lifts the team with his antics butler doesn’t to the same degree. Not saying butler won’t be back but prefer others. Also am I the only one who likes Sharman. . A goal every game and usually when it matters not late when the game is won. He has flaws that he is working on but give me a player that applies scoreboard pressure over one that is more polished elsewhere

I like Sharman.
I think he brings an extra marking option headache for oppo coaches, who have to work out tactics against Max, RoMa/Ryder (when they're fwd), Skunk, then Sharman.
I value Sharman's presence and scoreboard pressure more than Butler's funny party tricks

[meher baba]

Higgins brings goals and X factor. Lifts the team with his antics butler doesn’t to the same degree. Not saying butler won’t be back but prefer others. Also am I the only one who likes Sharman. . A goal every game and usually when it matters not late when the game is won. He has flaws that he is working on but give me a player that applies scoreboard pressure over one that is more polished elsewhere

I like Sharman.
I think he brings an extra marking option headache for oppo coaches, who have to work out tactics against Max, RoMa/Ryder (when they're fwd), Skunk, then Sharman.
I value Sharman's presence and scoreboard pressure more than Butler's funny party tricks

I don't like being mean, but I reckon that the idea that Sharman would be causing headaches for opposition coaches is close to laughable.

[WellardSaint]

Higgins brings goals and X factor. Lifts the team with his antics butler doesn’t to the same degree. Not saying butler won’t be back but prefer others. Also am I the only one who likes Sharman. . A goal every game and usually when it matters not late when the game is won. He has flaws that he is working on but give me a player that applies scoreboard pressure over one that is more polished elsewhere

I like Sharman.
I think he brings an extra marking option headache for oppo coaches, who have to work out tactics against Max, RoMa/Ryder (when they're fwd), Skunk, then Sharman.
I value Sharman's presence and scoreboard pressure more than Butler's funny party tricks

I don't like being mean, but I reckon that the idea that Sharman would be causing headaches for opposition coaches is close to laughable.

No offence taken, legend.
'Headaches' might be a bit much, but it's prob likely that Max is a prime topic for oppo, so any tall- Hayes, Sharman, anyone over 190cm- would potentially take a backman away from double-teaming Max.
We have RoMa, Coops and Winx doing mutiple leads, would stretch a defence e.g. they're wondering who to run with.
Against Tigers, Robbie Tarrant was often caught one-out vs Maxy as other Tigers were covering Hayes, RoMa, Skunk.

[DJ Higgins]

Higgins brings goals and X factor. Lifts the team with his antics butler doesn’t to the same degree. Not saying butler won’t be back but prefer others. Also am I the only one who likes Sharman. . A goal every game and usually when it matters not late when the game is won. He has flaws that he is working on but give me a player that applies scoreboard pressure over one that is more polished elsewhere

I like Sharman.
I think he brings an extra marking option headache for oppo coaches, who have to work out tactics against Max, RoMa/Ryder (when they're fwd), Skunk, then Sharman.
I value Sharman's presence and scoreboard pressure more than Butler's funny party tricks

I don't like being mean, but I reckon that the idea that Sharman would be causing headaches for opposition coaches is close to laughable.

No offence taken, legend.
'Headaches' might be a bit much, but it's prob likely that Max is a prime topic for oppo, so any tall- Hayes, Sharman, anyone over 190cm- would potentially take a backman away from double-teaming Max.
We have RoMa, Coops and Winx doing mutiple leads, would stretch a defence e.g. they're wondering who to run with.
Against Tigers, Robbie Tarrant was often caught one-out vs Maxy as other Tigers were covering Hayes, RoMa, Skunk.

I know its easy in hind site but I didn't think we needed both Butler and Higgins. I would have much preferred to the Sharman as a bit of variance plus his goal a game would have helped big time. I would be interested to see who gets dropped next week. Hill might go as his performance wasn't great again but then again there were a few others who were also a bit quite.

[WellardSaint]

Butler actually did ok considering our haphazard F50 entries that did him no favours.
If our we had gotten more clearances, and were better with uncontested ball (hitting targets better), and didn't have those injuries, we would have been closer.

We scored at least one goal taking the ball from HBF to forward line in an unbroken chain. Cos the Lions covered the corridor well.
So much for 'the 2nd best ruck combo in the league', it didn't help us