Lessons for St Kilda in Australia's T20 World Cup Victory
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Lessons for St Kilda in Australia's T20 World Cup Victory
Peter Lalor, writing in today's Australian, provides an insight into how the Australian T20 team went about developing a winning culture to achieve this unexpected result, I have highlighted some of the points that should be noted by Ratten and the senior players in leadership group:
"Love is in the air.
A plane load of it, along with the Australian men’s first T20 World Cup trophy, are hurtling their way back to Australia and the Ashes. Australia won the T20 World Cup final in the early hours of Monday morning Australian time, beating perennial bridesmaids New Zealand in a final few predicted they would be part of.
They boarded a flight with a swagger that would have been noted by an English team who were favourites in the tournament, and their fellow passengers.
Homeward bound … after the game England had been made to bide their time in the UAE while their underrated Ashes opponents triumphed. The stale-beer smell of someone else’s victory could never have been so odious.
The victory was a redemption song for so many in Aaron Finch’s side, and on the sidelines.
Hero of the match for his brutal 77no from 50 deliveries was the country’s favourite whipping boy Mitch Marsh, the only man in the starting eleven to be dropped during the tournament. He and dad Geoff become the first father-son duo to both claim World Cup trophies, just as Mitch Starc and his wife Alyssa Healy become first husband and wife pairing to claim T20 crowns.
Coach Justin Langer had been under pressure regarding his methods since the Indians beat Australia last summer, but not a word more of that need be whispered ever again and he faces the Ashes having developed a stronger bond with his boys.
Opener David Warner was recently discarded by his IPL franchise and suffered the humiliation of being stripped of its captaincy and left behind in the hotel for one match. He was written off mid-tournament by some, but starred in both the semi and the final and was awarded player of the tournament on Monday morning.
Matthew Wade and Aaron Finch were considered unfashionable. Glenn Maxwell unreliable. Stoinis and Steve Smith unremarkable, and the outfit considered outdated and underwhelming by all the best judges.
When the winning runs were scored, Stoinis ran from the rooms towards Marsh with Adam Zampa in tow. The trio embraced as if thrown together by the Hadron Collider, it was a moment as emphatic as it was heartfelt.
“The key is this group of boys – we actually love each other, it is beautiful,” Stoinis said later.
Marsh was not coy on the subject either. “What stands out for me most is just the love in this team,” he said. “I’m playing for my teammates. I’m not going out there to play for my spot, or show people, or prove people wrong.”
Marsh’s performance in the tournament was so compelling some are wondering if his form and confidence can be converted into a Test recall. “I know it’s often spoken about, my journey and the ups and downs. But all those experiences just build resilience,” he said. “That sort of stuff has got me to the point where I was able to go out and perform in a World Cup final – and I leaned on all those experiences.”
Central to the squad’s performance appears to be Langer’s decision to take a back seat, in the process abandoning the coaching methods of a lifetime and allowing this group of senior players to go about it the way they felt was best.
Langer was confronted on the eve of the series and told his methods did not sit well with the team. He called the experience “humbling” and he promised to change, but few believed he would.
“He’s been great,” Finch said after the game. “The vibe around the group has been unbelievable. Just how well everyone is getting along. There’s a lot of time spent in each other’s rooms and the team room and just chilling out – the lunches, the breakfasts. “I think that just adds to the environment. JL has played a part in that as well and that’s great reward for him as well as the players. “It’s had ups and downs along the way, don’t get me wrong. Never smooth sailing. When you’re in bio bubbles it’s always difficult.
Guys got along very well, played golf together, hung out, been able to relax and just enjoy each other’s company. “But when you’re in each other’s company 24-7, of course there’s going to be issues at times, that’s a part of being in a team. But there’s always music playing in the corridors of the hotel, everyone’s doors have always been open – it’s been brilliant.”
Quite obviously being in a "bubble" away from home for the duration of the competition was a major factor in this process, not unlike 2020 when St Kilda players were based in Noosa Heads. Nonetheless, what the players are saying is that the destiny of the team is in their hands, they need to commit 100% to play for their team mates, and develop strong bonds both on and off field to achieve the ultimate success.
One way to do this is to arrange some sort of regular golf competition on their free days with trophies at the end of the season for the best players. Regular team dinners, BBQs etc would be another way to build friendships and get to to know each other better!
"Love is in the air.
A plane load of it, along with the Australian men’s first T20 World Cup trophy, are hurtling their way back to Australia and the Ashes. Australia won the T20 World Cup final in the early hours of Monday morning Australian time, beating perennial bridesmaids New Zealand in a final few predicted they would be part of.
They boarded a flight with a swagger that would have been noted by an English team who were favourites in the tournament, and their fellow passengers.
Homeward bound … after the game England had been made to bide their time in the UAE while their underrated Ashes opponents triumphed. The stale-beer smell of someone else’s victory could never have been so odious.
The victory was a redemption song for so many in Aaron Finch’s side, and on the sidelines.
Hero of the match for his brutal 77no from 50 deliveries was the country’s favourite whipping boy Mitch Marsh, the only man in the starting eleven to be dropped during the tournament. He and dad Geoff become the first father-son duo to both claim World Cup trophies, just as Mitch Starc and his wife Alyssa Healy become first husband and wife pairing to claim T20 crowns.
Coach Justin Langer had been under pressure regarding his methods since the Indians beat Australia last summer, but not a word more of that need be whispered ever again and he faces the Ashes having developed a stronger bond with his boys.
Opener David Warner was recently discarded by his IPL franchise and suffered the humiliation of being stripped of its captaincy and left behind in the hotel for one match. He was written off mid-tournament by some, but starred in both the semi and the final and was awarded player of the tournament on Monday morning.
Matthew Wade and Aaron Finch were considered unfashionable. Glenn Maxwell unreliable. Stoinis and Steve Smith unremarkable, and the outfit considered outdated and underwhelming by all the best judges.
When the winning runs were scored, Stoinis ran from the rooms towards Marsh with Adam Zampa in tow. The trio embraced as if thrown together by the Hadron Collider, it was a moment as emphatic as it was heartfelt.
“The key is this group of boys – we actually love each other, it is beautiful,” Stoinis said later.
Marsh was not coy on the subject either. “What stands out for me most is just the love in this team,” he said. “I’m playing for my teammates. I’m not going out there to play for my spot, or show people, or prove people wrong.”
Marsh’s performance in the tournament was so compelling some are wondering if his form and confidence can be converted into a Test recall. “I know it’s often spoken about, my journey and the ups and downs. But all those experiences just build resilience,” he said. “That sort of stuff has got me to the point where I was able to go out and perform in a World Cup final – and I leaned on all those experiences.”
Central to the squad’s performance appears to be Langer’s decision to take a back seat, in the process abandoning the coaching methods of a lifetime and allowing this group of senior players to go about it the way they felt was best.
Langer was confronted on the eve of the series and told his methods did not sit well with the team. He called the experience “humbling” and he promised to change, but few believed he would.
“He’s been great,” Finch said after the game. “The vibe around the group has been unbelievable. Just how well everyone is getting along. There’s a lot of time spent in each other’s rooms and the team room and just chilling out – the lunches, the breakfasts. “I think that just adds to the environment. JL has played a part in that as well and that’s great reward for him as well as the players. “It’s had ups and downs along the way, don’t get me wrong. Never smooth sailing. When you’re in bio bubbles it’s always difficult.
Guys got along very well, played golf together, hung out, been able to relax and just enjoy each other’s company. “But when you’re in each other’s company 24-7, of course there’s going to be issues at times, that’s a part of being in a team. But there’s always music playing in the corridors of the hotel, everyone’s doors have always been open – it’s been brilliant.”
Quite obviously being in a "bubble" away from home for the duration of the competition was a major factor in this process, not unlike 2020 when St Kilda players were based in Noosa Heads. Nonetheless, what the players are saying is that the destiny of the team is in their hands, they need to commit 100% to play for their team mates, and develop strong bonds both on and off field to achieve the ultimate success.
One way to do this is to arrange some sort of regular golf competition on their free days with trophies at the end of the season for the best players. Regular team dinners, BBQs etc would be another way to build friendships and get to to know each other better!
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Re: Lessons for St Kilda in Australia's T20 World Cup Victory
Last two wins were absolutely brilliant. Very enjoyable and so glad I watched all the Aussie matches.
Only downer was the game against the poms.
Only downer was the game against the poms.
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Re: Lessons for St Kilda in Australia's T20 World Cup Victory
I am a huge fan of cricket and well done us ..... but 20/20 is a Mickey Mouse competition and if weren't for the heroics of a handful of individuals we would have just as likely not even made the Final stages ...... it seems the coin toss also had a huge role to play
As for the unexpected result ...... well last time I checked Australia is a powerhouse cricket nation ..... on paper our team was as strong as any of the others (in all forms of cricket) .... pretty clear that we had been underperforming going into this tournament and many of our players STILL underperformed ...... thankfully though some didn't and stepped up to the plate at the right time ...... along with a bit of luck.
And the breakfasts, lunches, playing golf together, hanging out in each others rooms ..... pretty sure you will find Australian touring teams have been doing this since cricket was invented ..... so not sure they are breaking any new ground
Not having a go ..... just sayin!!
As for the unexpected result ...... well last time I checked Australia is a powerhouse cricket nation ..... on paper our team was as strong as any of the others (in all forms of cricket) .... pretty clear that we had been underperforming going into this tournament and many of our players STILL underperformed ...... thankfully though some didn't and stepped up to the plate at the right time ...... along with a bit of luck.
And the breakfasts, lunches, playing golf together, hanging out in each others rooms ..... pretty sure you will find Australian touring teams have been doing this since cricket was invented ..... so not sure they are breaking any new ground
Not having a go ..... just sayin!!
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Re: Lessons for St Kilda in Australia's T20 World Cup Victory
Unfortunately for me i only watched the SAF match and it was by far the most boring T20 match I had ever seen.
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Re: Lessons for St Kilda in Australia's T20 World Cup Victory
I reckon Ratts is already coaching like JL however I'm wondering if that has been an issue, developing a Cuddles first approach and letting the players chosing their own adventure.
I recon you need players with the right maturity to coach that way.
I recon you need players with the right maturity to coach that way.
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Re: Lessons for St Kilda in Australia's T20 World Cup Victory
Wade into the middle, Cummins CHB, Zampa goal sneak.
Other lessons (and only for the short form of the game, say one quarter):
Coach doesn't matter; luck can overcome having big heads like Stoinis and Maxwell in the team firing only occasionally. Can have a captain the does not contribute and still win.
Above all win toss and hope opposition chokes.
Also - if Kent is given as many chances as Marsh he will eventually win a game for us.
PS: Double bounce long hops are there to be belted out of the park. If you get a 5 goal lead, crush them, don't straight bat to short cover and take a suicide single.
Other lessons (and only for the short form of the game, say one quarter):
Coach doesn't matter; luck can overcome having big heads like Stoinis and Maxwell in the team firing only occasionally. Can have a captain the does not contribute and still win.
Above all win toss and hope opposition chokes.
Also - if Kent is given as many chances as Marsh he will eventually win a game for us.
PS: Double bounce long hops are there to be belted out of the park. If you get a 5 goal lead, crush them, don't straight bat to short cover and take a suicide single.
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Re: Lessons for St Kilda in Australia's T20 World Cup Victory
It was a great win, despite you rubbishing three quarters of the teamYorkeys wrote: ↑Tue 16 Nov 2021 7:09pm Wade into the middle, Cummins CHB, Zampa goal sneak.
Other lessons (and only for the short form of the game, say one quarter):
Coach doesn't matter; luck can overcome having big heads like Stoinis and Maxwell in the team firing only occasionally. Can have a captain the does not contribute and still win.
Above all win toss and hope opposition chokes.
Also - if Kent is given as many chances as Marsh he will eventually win a game for us.
PS: Double bounce long hops are there to be belted out of the park. If you get a 5 goal lead, crush them, don't straight bat to short cover and take a suicide single.
Now to smash those f****** poms.
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Perfect summary. Stoinis, Maxwell and Finch were burnt out after a long arduous T20 IPL campaign. The earn squillions in a six week period and it's a bit like playing Adelaide after a showdown match or Eagles after the Derby.Yorkeys wrote: ↑Tue 16 Nov 2021 7:09pm Wade into the middle, Cummins CHB, Zampa goal sneak.
Other lessons (and only for the short form of the game, say one quarter):
Coach doesn't matter; luck can overcome having big heads like Stoinis and Maxwell in the team firing only occasionally. Can have a captain the does not contribute and still win.
Above all win toss and hope opposition chokes.
Also - if Kent is given as many chances as Marsh he will eventually win a game for us.
PS: Double bounce long hops are there to be belted out of the park. If you get a 5 goal lead, crush them, don't straight bat to short cover and take a suicide single.
Same with the whole Indian team. Most of them are so hyped up for IPL, I think the timing of the World Cup T20 went against them.
Kudos to Wade, Warner and Marsh for coming good in the finals. I couldn't understand why the Pakistan batting line up didn't take a few more risks when they had plenty of wickets left in the final stages
I think Cummins ability to restrict the Pakistanis in the last 4 overs in the semi was crucial to the Aussies having the confidence to chase down a formidable target and make it to the final
T20 is great entertainment. When I reluctantly went to a couple of matches at the G or Marvel I was hooked.
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Re: Lessons for St Kilda in Australia's T20 World Cup Victory
Yes, agree with most in both posts.Scollop wrote: ↑Tue 16 Nov 2021 9:50pmPerfect summary. Stoinis, Maxwell and Finch were burnt out after a long arduous T20 IPL campaign. The earn squillions in a six week period and it's a bit like playing Adelaide after a showdown match or Eagles after the Derby.Yorkeys wrote: ↑Tue 16 Nov 2021 7:09pm Wade into the middle, Cummins CHB, Zampa goal sneak.
Other lessons (and only for the short form of the game, say one quarter):
Coach doesn't matter; luck can overcome having big heads like Stoinis and Maxwell in the team firing only occasionally. Can have a captain the does not contribute and still win.
Above all win toss and hope opposition chokes.
Also - if Kent is given as many chances as Marsh he will eventually win a game for us.
PS: Double bounce long hops are there to be belted out of the park. If you get a 5 goal lead, crush them, don't straight bat to short cover and take a suicide single.
Same with the whole Indian team. Most of them are so hyped up for IPL, I think the timing of the World Cup T20 went against them.
Kudos to Wade, Warner and Marsh for coming good in the finals. I couldn't understand why the Pakistan batting line up didn't take a few more risks when they had plenty of wickets left in the final stages
I think Cummins ability to restrict the Pakistanis in the last 4 overs in the semi was crucial to the Aussies having the confidence to chase down a formidable target and make it to the final
T20 is great entertainment. When I reluctantly went to a couple of matches at the G or Marvel I was hooked.
Did Finch play IPL this season? I thought he got left on the shelf.
I just hope Maxwell has the most memorable year of his life, an excellent IPL, a member of the winning World Cup team and his Saints are inspired to win their 2nd Cup.
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Re: Lessons for St Kilda in Australia's T20 World Cup Victory
You don’t write off champions
Dave Warner was dropped in the IPL and couldn’t buy a run early, and was questioned.
Then IMO was mainly responsible for winning the last 4 games.
Great players rise
Average players get found out
Dave Warner was dropped in the IPL and couldn’t buy a run early, and was questioned.
Then IMO was mainly responsible for winning the last 4 games.
Great players rise
Average players get found out
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Re: Lessons for St Kilda in Australia's T20 World Cup Victory
Stoinis and Maxwell played their part too, despite what their detractors claim
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Re: Lessons for St Kilda in Australia's T20 World Cup Victory
Absolutely. The Australian team is a group of extremely battle-hardened pros who've done the business over many, many campaigns. Maybe not in T20 World Cups but, they're successful cricketers in many forms over a long period. It's a bit like David Parkin basically letting Carlton coach themselves in 1995 - you need a group of experienced pros to trust them to do that. Potentially, our team could've coached itself in 09 & 10 such was the quality and leadership in that group. Remember Bolton's 5-0 winning record at the Dawks filling in for Clarko.
Key to the whole thing is the playing leadership and connection piece however. The Aussies have Finch - who might be out of form - but still had his troops playing for him and the group had enough substance to have forged their connection - evidenced by Wade, Stoin & Marsh's 'love' comments. Richmond has had the same thing (adding in their much vaunted 'vulnerability' element too).
I don't have much doubt that our players are pretty tight - we don't seem to have any dickheads - but, the playing leadership side (outside of Steele) isn't much to write home about. We go missing so quickly when the tide turns against us and never really recover. I remember something that Leppitsch said mid year on SEN when talking about us that Richmond thought of us as a 'nice' team. Good players at times but, quiet of voice and pretty tame and not about to cause much trouble to them.
Allan Jeans always said that players make coaches and I think we'd all view Ratten as a 'better' coach with better players under him. I've heard Ratten speak about his time at Carlton and he was honest enough to note that they were a solid, competitive team but without Chris Judd - his 50% winning record wouldn't have been so flattering.
I mean, is Goodwin really that much of a better coach than the 2021 season? I'd say no - but his better players became more mature and selfless and it spread throughout their group.
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Yes Stoin and Maxy played a couple of important innings as did Marsh
Warner played 4 in a row and ended up player of the tournament
Warner played 4 in a row and ended up player of the tournament
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Re: Lessons for St Kilda in Australia's T20 World Cup Victory
Josh Hazelwood deserves a mention too. Fantastic bowling figures in the finals. He was crucial for his wickets as well as his economy
Player of the tournament probably should have been Adam Zampa. He was consistently good in the qualifiers with one brilliant match and also very good in the finals
Player of the tournament probably should have been Adam Zampa. He was consistently good in the qualifiers with one brilliant match and also very good in the finals
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Re: Lessons for St Kilda in Australia's T20 World Cup Victory
Can't have that. MUST have a batter as player of the tournament. Bowlers are there as window dressing - no one seems to care less about them. It's all about big 6's and high run rates. I thought Hazlewood should have been player of the match in GF. 3/16 off 4 overs. Basically Williamson going beserk and he still contained him whilst still taking wickets.Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 18 Nov 2021 7:36am Josh Hazelwood deserves a mention too. Fantastic bowling figures in the finals. He was crucial for his wickets as well as his economy
Player of the tournament probably should have been Adam Zampa. He was consistently good in the qualifiers with one brilliant match and also very good in the finals
I enjoyed the game, but seriously, test match cricket seems to be the only form of the game that values bowlers.
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Yep, can't win Tests without bowlers who can take 20 wickets.Moods wrote: ↑Thu 18 Nov 2021 10:33amCan't have that. MUST have a batter as player of the tournament. Bowlers are there as window dressing - no one seems to care less about them. It's all about big 6's and high run rates. I thought Hazlewood should have been player of the match in GF. 3/16 off 4 overs. Basically Williamson going beserk and he still contained him whilst still taking wickets.Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 18 Nov 2021 7:36am Josh Hazelwood deserves a mention too. Fantastic bowling figures in the finals. He was crucial for his wickets as well as his economy
Player of the tournament probably should have been Adam Zampa. He was consistently good in the qualifiers with one brilliant match and also very good in the finals
I enjoyed the game, but seriously, test match cricket seems to be the only form of the game that values bowlers.
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Test match cricket is the only form of the game full stop. T20 and to a lesser extent one day crackit are light hearted entertainment for the light headed. Unfortunately we need the light headed to fund cricket nowadays. What a sorry state.Moods wrote: ↑Thu 18 Nov 2021 10:33amCan't have that. MUST have a batter as player of the tournament. Bowlers are there as window dressing - no one seems to care less about them. It's all about big 6's and high run rates. I thought Hazlewood should have been player of the match in GF. 3/16 off 4 overs. Basically Williamson going beserk and he still contained him whilst still taking wickets.Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 18 Nov 2021 7:36am Josh Hazelwood deserves a mention too. Fantastic bowling figures in the finals. He was crucial for his wickets as well as his economy
Player of the tournament probably should have been Adam Zampa. He was consistently good in the qualifiers with one brilliant match and also very good in the finals
I enjoyed the game, but seriously, test match cricket seems to be the only form of the game that values bowlers.
Australia's most valuable contributor for the series would have to be a bloke that failed in the finals, didn't make many runs during the tournament, and didn't take any wickets .... Aaron Finch. He DID win 6 out of 7 tosses, including both finals, hence 6 wins. Under the conditions played in over there, amongst the main cricketing nations, winning the toss meant winning the game. Made it a bit of a farce really.
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Re: Lessons for St Kilda in Australia's T20 World Cup Victory
To be fair, winning the toss has a big influence in any form of cricket,takeaway wrote: ↑Thu 18 Nov 2021 12:40pmTest match cricket is the only form of the game full stop. T20 and to a lesser extent one day crackit are light hearted entertainment for the light headed. Unfortunately we need the light headed to fund cricket nowadays. What a sorry state.Moods wrote: ↑Thu 18 Nov 2021 10:33amCan't have that. MUST have a batter as player of the tournament. Bowlers are there as window dressing - no one seems to care less about them. It's all about big 6's and high run rates. I thought Hazlewood should have been player of the match in GF. 3/16 off 4 overs. Basically Williamson going beserk and he still contained him whilst still taking wickets.Scollop wrote: ↑Thu 18 Nov 2021 7:36am Josh Hazelwood deserves a mention too. Fantastic bowling figures in the finals. He was crucial for his wickets as well as his economy
Player of the tournament probably should have been Adam Zampa. He was consistently good in the qualifiers with one brilliant match and also very good in the finals
I enjoyed the game, but seriously, test match cricket seems to be the only form of the game that values bowlers.
Australia's most valuable contributor for the series would have to be a bloke that failed in the finals, didn't make many runs during the tournament, and didn't take any wickets .... Aaron Finch. He DID win 6 out of 7 tosses, including both finals, hence 6 wins. Under the conditions played in over there, amongst the main cricketing nations, winning the toss meant winning the game. Made it a bit of a farce really.
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Re: Lessons for St Kilda in Australia's T20 World Cup Victory
Is Josh Hazelwood our Cal Wilkie? Is Cummings our Dougal Howard? Is Warner our......Hill or is Smith Hill? Who is Hannebury?
You're quite brilliant Shane, yeah..terrific!
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Hazelwood dropped a dolly when Williamson was in the 20s .... could have lost us the match
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You have to rate the bowlers against other bowlers in their own team and against all bowlers in the match
I think Starc could have easily got Williamson out with a few beautiful deliveries…but the batter had luck on his side
Starc eventually finished with 60 off his 4 overs
Mitch Marsh was dropped 3 times so of course luck comes into it
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Re: Lessons for St Kilda in Australia's T20 World Cup Victory
Biggest lesson is you need to WIN.
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Re: Lessons for St Kilda in Australia's T20 World Cup Victory
When does the cricket season finish, i'm over it already.
The Saints are under review, will it make any difference to the underachievers ?
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Re: Lessons for St Kilda in Australia's T20 World Cup Victory
Lesson one. Don't send dick pics to a work colleague