SportsNewsFirst - Lyon certain to Melbourne

Johnny Member · Tue 13 Sep 2011 1:29pm

OneEyedSainter77 wrote:
dragit wrote:At some point you have to acknowledge that we don't have as many skillful players as the best few sides, you can change the game plan all you like, but when you are carrying 6 blokes that can't kick any better than me the coach can only do so muchâ€¦
No coach or game plan was going to magically take us back to the top of the table - that is a factâ€¦

Malthouse and the Pies are a good example of sticking by a coach, 2 grand final losses, but they showed faith even through 2 awful years, I couldn't give a rats tossbag what the 'genuine footy fans' think. I'm sure if we had a very even and skillful kicking team, Ross would design our game plan to suitâ€¦

We play dour footy at the moment because we don't have the skill to play like the Cats of the past 5 years, it's remarkable that we've made 2 GF's really with some of the players we've hadâ€¦ R Lyon = super footy brain, certainly not the best 'entertainer' coachâ€¦
Completely agree with the bold part.

Our gameplan has a bad rap by reputation mainly. I'm sure Ross isn't telling the players to always kick backwards and sideways and al that rubbish they do when they panic. If the players had a) a little more conifdence and b) better skills, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Basically, even under Malthouse or Bomber Thompson or the best bloody coach there ever was, we'd still be in the same problem.

I don't buy that, I'm sorry.

He recruits these guys, and selects them each week. He's happily topped up with recycled 'role' players around our existing core of really good talent.

Now that it's obvious his recruits are no good, he can't shirk responsibility for their lack of skill if he's the one that recruits them and picks them each week! He selects these types of guys for the positives he gets from them, ahead of more skillful young guys that may not give him the defensive side of the game he is so besotted with.

5 years he's been at the club. The list right now, is his. He built it. If it's no good, then it's surely his fault and he should be accountable for it.

Scollop · Post: # 1136889Post **Scollop** » Tue 13 Sep 2011 1:30pm

Ross can't motivate these guys - they motivate themselves. His game plan is taxing and he can't coach them to kick enough goals. Good strong footy is about the balance between kicking goals and strong defence. Everyone says he's gr8 at structure and zones and defence, and pressure...but. The modern successful AFL team needs to have forward options. Bring in the type of guy who is hungry for goals. Encourage them and motivate them not just for spoiling/tackling and all the other stuff. The lyon supporters like what he says, so OK....here's a gem from Rossy in the lead up to our Elimination Final; "Etihad is a bit like a basketball court, it's a quicker game, they are a skilled team and we're a skilled team," Lyon said.
"It will be higher scoring, there were pretty tough conditions up there last time, it certainly wasn't an immaculate surface, but we got whacked and we understand we're going to have to improve."

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/sport/1019 ... ing-swans/

What the hell is Lyon on about...Wrong again Rossy boy!!! You cannot expect your players to 'co-incidently' kick goals. The mids hardwork needs reward for effort and Sam Fisher should not be used a midfielder - he is our back line general. If Dawson and others need 3 players around them to do their job, then they are not fulfilling their role. They are passengers.

Saints need multiple targets up forward. Give an opportunity to a guy who is 'hungry' and can create spark like Milney does. I kept seeing Kozzi running off and the mids running from the wing looking up and the only target was Milney..what the fudge!! Keep Kozzi on the ground and plonk him 20 metres out. What's the pt of running him into the ground with a dozen rotations?

Why oh why do you think that Roo or Milne can do the job alone. Who has Ross developed as a forward in his 5 years at the club? He brought in Schnied's as a specialist forward, but the guy spends more time in the defensive zone than he does in the forward line. You have to provide a clear role and define a forward. Clearly, Ross has failed. Our great game is built on high marks, stab passes, snap goals, freak goals, full forwards kicking 100 for the year and lots and lots of goals duiring the match to get the fans up..FGS, we dish out flags to the supporters...how the hell are they gunna wave them if we can't get the score on the board? AFL is about GOALS!! 6 pointers!!! Ross Lyon should go and coach soccer!!!!

dragit · Post: # 1136892Post **dragit** » Tue 13 Sep 2011 1:33pm

ThePunter wrote:My solution if we do lose Lyon

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/blog.php?b=1619

Nice idea, except Melbourne will take him for nothingâ€¦

SaintPav · Post: # 1136894Post **SaintPav** » Tue 13 Sep 2011 1:37pm

You guys believe anything.

Teflon · Post: # 1136896Post **Teflon** » Tue 13 Sep 2011 1:38pm

SaintPav wrote:You guys believe anything.

I hope ure right Pav....

saintspremiers · Tue 13 Sep 2011 1:38pm

Hi Scollop.

Is that you GT?

Cairnsman · Post: # 1136900Post **Cairnsman** » Tue 13 Sep 2011 1:40pm

matrix wrote:are we talking goldfish interrogation ?

similar but they used SS posters instead.

bergsone · Post: # 1136902Post **bergsone** » Tue 13 Sep 2011 1:43pm

Scollop.long time since I have seen a STAP PASS

Anyway welcome to the mad house

SaintPav · Post: # 1136907Post **SaintPav** » Tue 13 Sep 2011 1:46pm

HSVKing wrote:
Spinner wrote:Article stating he is preparing to tell players. Looks certain to move.

Not good.
http://www.sportsnewsfirst.com.au/artic ... melbourne/

"Lyon is believed to be preparing to tell his Saints players that he will most likely head to Melbourne".

What the hell does this mean? Is he still unsure?

dragit · Post: # 1136908Post **dragit** » Tue 13 Sep 2011 1:48pm

Johnny Member wrote:
OneEyedSainter77 wrote:
dragit wrote:At some point you have to acknowledge that we don't have as many skillful players as the best few sides, you can change the game plan all you like, but when you are carrying 6 blokes that can't kick any better than me the coach can only do so muchâ€¦
No coach or game plan was going to magically take us back to the top of the table - that is a factâ€¦

Malthouse and the Pies are a good example of sticking by a coach, 2 grand final losses, but they showed faith even through 2 awful years, I couldn't give a rats tossbag what the 'genuine footy fans' think. I'm sure if we had a very even and skillful kicking team, Ross would design our game plan to suitâ€¦

We play dour footy at the moment because we don't have the skill to play like the Cats of the past 5 years, it's remarkable that we've made 2 GF's really with some of the players we've hadâ€¦ R Lyon = super footy brain, certainly not the best 'entertainer' coachâ€¦
Completely agree with the bold part.

Our gameplan has a bad rap by reputation mainly. I'm sure Ross isn't telling the players to always kick backwards and sideways and al that rubbish they do when they panic. If the players had a) a little more conifdence and b) better skills, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Basically, even under Malthouse or Bomber Thompson or the best bloody coach there ever was, we'd still be in the same problem.
I don't buy that, I'm sorry.

He recruits these guys, and selects them each week. He's happily topped up with recycled 'role' players around our existing core of really good talent.

Now that it's obvious his recruits are no good, he can't shirk responsibility for their lack of skill if he's the one that recruits them and picks them each week! He selects these types of guys for the positives he gets from them, ahead of more skillful young guys that may not give him the defensive side of the game he is so besotted with.

5 years he's been at the club. The list right now, is his. He built it. If it's no good, then it's surely his fault and he should be accountable for it.

Geelong have been around the same mark as us for draft picks over the past 5 years, which brilliant players have they un-earthed? The only one would be Selwood and that was after they missed the finals and really that pick should have been used on Hawkinsâ€¦

No doubt we've made mistakes in recruiting but just ask Terry Wallace about Franklin & Roughhead - he wasn't even involved in the decisionâ€¦ Lovett was exactly the type of footballer we needed & Peake has been a poor mans version but was trying to fill a void of speed/skillâ€¦

On the one hand you say that we caught the competition of guard in 2009, was that by luck? It's a bit silly to blame the coach for a loss because of missed shots on goal - It's the players job to kick the goals, the coach is up in the standsâ€¦

I think this years recruiting showed a change in attitude, some really skilled quick young guys.

What were you expecting, to make the grand final every year?

Johnny Member · Tue 13 Sep 2011 1:54pm

dragit wrote: On the one hand you say that we caught the competition of guard in 2009, was that by luck? It's a bit silly to blame the coach for a loss because of missed shots on goal - It's the players job to kick the goals, the coach is up in the standsâ€¦

I think you've misinterpreted my comments there.

2009 was amazing. Brilliantly coached. And only bad luck cost us (not only did we kick so poorly, Geelong kicked incredibly well and we had some shockers from the umps too!)

But, that was 2 years ago. And even at that time, I worried that Roo's individual efforts were masking a hole in our offensive abilities.

dragit wrote: What were you expecting, to make the grand final every year?

What I was expecting, was to see us improve offensively. We didn't. We've got worse.

It doesn't neccessarily mean we never will, but it doesn't fill m with confidence that it's a given that Lyon is actually capable of coaching an offensive team.

barks4eva · Post: # 1136912Post **barks4eva** » Tue 13 Sep 2011 1:54pm

Teflon wrote:IF Lyon goes - "Footy First" should go with him.

Just disgraceful that a coach who MOST with half a brain acknowledge as one of the top 3 in the comp could be let walk by this limp wristed administration.

I feel a typical St Kilda implosion coming at a time when we needed to sign up Lyon and stay strong.

Fkn gutted if this is true -

AGREE 100%

They inherited Lyon and rode on his coat tails

It looks like the clowns have managed to screw things up monumentally

Nettlefold on FC was VERY UNIMPRESSIVE

Why would you agree to go on in the first place when you do not have the whole issue sorted.

Just another example of the poor judgement this current rabble of a board serve up.

Who voted for these idiots?

and EXTREMELY dissapointed in Ross Lyon if so.

You could not blame Lyon if

1. Melbourne offer 5 years and the best the putting their foot in it first clowns offer is a two year extension WITH CONDITIONS

2. Melbourne train five minutes down the road from where he lives and he does not have to drive ( there and back ) for an hour and a half every day down to Seaford.

When Tudor left Lyon made mention of Seaford being a factor in his decision to leave.

Johnny Member · Tue 13 Sep 2011 1:56pm

barks4eva wrote: When Tudor left Lyon made mention of Seaford being a factor in his decision to leave.

I knew his missus actually, and I don't think this part is true.

She was very keen to head to Sydney though!

Scollop · Post: # 1136915Post **Scollop** » Tue 13 Sep 2011 1:57pm

saintspremiers wrote:Hi Scollop.

Is that you GT?

I'm AJ - not GT!

Was Jack Steven ready to play last year in finals when some of our mids were under injury clouds? Who here reckons he would not have had an impact? Who reckons that Armo wasn't fit and ready to cover for Grammy in one of the finals? What faith does Ross have in youth?

Ross's idea of 'adding' to the team with the likes of Polo was the last straw for me...sure there are some recycled players with flair and dash and a booming kick that hurts the opposition, but let me tell you something Rossy; Dean Polo is NOT Stewy Dew!!!

Dr Spaceman · Tue 13 Sep 2011 1:58pm

Johnny Member wrote:
barks4eva wrote: When Tudor left Lyon made mention of Seaford being a factor in his decision to leave.
I knew his missus actually, and I don't think this part is true.

She was very keen to head to Sydney though!

Well if Seaford's the problem we'll just have to settle for Harvey then.

...for the next 50 years then hopefully Connor will be able to take over

dragit · Post: # 1136918Post **dragit** » Tue 13 Sep 2011 1:58pm

Scollop wrote:
saintspremiers wrote:Hi Scollop.

Is that you GT?
I'm AJ - not GT!

Was Jack Steven ready to play last year in finals when some of our mids were under injury clouds? Who here reckons he would not have had an impact? Who reckons that Armo wasn't fit and ready to cover for Grammy in one of the finals? What faith does Ross have in youth?

Ross's idea of 'adding' to the team with the likes of Polo was the last straw for me...sure there are some recycled players with flair and dash and a booming kick that hurts the opposition, but let me tell you something Rossy; Dean Polo is NOT Stewy Dew!!!

Armo said himself that he was injured, Jack has had OP.

spert · Post: # 1136925Post **spert** » Tue 13 Sep 2011 2:03pm

Johnny Member wrote:
dragit wrote: On the one hand you say that we caught the competition of guard in 2009, was that by luck? It's a bit silly to blame the coach for a loss because of missed shots on goal - It's the players job to kick the goals, the coach is up in the standsâ€¦
But, that was 2 years ago. And even at that time, I worried that Roo's individual efforts were masking a hole in our offensive abilities.
â€¦

We lost in 09 because the forward line including Roo got beaten on the day, same in 2010. That is the problem yet to be rectified, and whoever the coach is, RL or someone else, the forward line is a major fix to be done.

Scollop · Post: # 1136928Post **Scollop** » Tue 13 Sep 2011 2:05pm

bergsone wrote:Scollop.long time since I have seen a STAP PASS

Anyway welcome to the mad house

Leon Davis kicked about 6 of them against us in round 21

bergsone · Post: # 1136934Post **bergsone** » Tue 13 Sep 2011 2:12pm

Scollop wrote:
bergsone wrote:Scollop.long time since I have seen a STAP PASS

Anyway welcome to the mad house
Leon Davis kicked about 6 of them against us in round 21

I only try to recall the good games

Spinner · Post: # 1136939Post **Spinner** » Tue 13 Sep 2011 2:17pm

St Kilda just realeased an article regarding MN comments last night saying it is crystal clear Lyon is required.

Nothing new, just published.

The CEO wouldnt be trying to paint a picture of doing 'all they can' to keep Lyon to avoid backlash from members would he?

This is killing me.

matrix · Post: # 1136943Post **matrix** » Tue 13 Sep 2011 2:19pm

prob sitting there in his office hitting refresh on SS

Spinner · Post: # 1136944Post **Spinner** » Tue 13 Sep 2011 2:20pm

matrix wrote:prob sitting there in his office hitting refresh on SS

I wouldnt be surprised....

stkildathunda · Tue 13 Sep 2011 2:24pm

Spinner wrote:St Kilda just realeased an article regarding MN comments last night saying it is crystal clear Lyon is required.

Nothing new, just published.

The CEO wouldnt be trying to paint a picture of doing 'all they can' to keep Lyon to avoid backlash from members would he?

This is killing me.

Yea i think so, cos they posted link to his interview on Classified a little earlier then that.... Very strange, cos they never post that stuff on their FB/Twitter pages.......

matrix · Post: # 1136953Post **matrix** » Tue 13 Sep 2011 2:26pm

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/s ... 6135246826

new article update by Mike
which after reading it is the same as the others but with words swapped around
unreal

barks4eva · Post: # 1136956Post **barks4eva** » Tue 13 Sep 2011 2:29pm

Much like all the PR....Luke Ball is a required player

These clowns trying to cover their asses for their serial incompetence more like!

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