Teflon wrote:meher baba wrote:This really is the never-ending discussion, isn't it!!
The two opposing factions will never see eye to eye, will they!!
However, it is interesting to observe how the arguments of the pro-GT sacking brigade have changed over the past 18 or so months.
First of all, it was "we have a great list, it could coach itself, etc., etc." (and I have no doubt whatsoever that this is what the Board believed in September 2006. Because, otherwise, how could they have brought themselves to sack GT: no matter how much they hated him personally.)
Then it became: Lyon is fantastic, he is bringing "modern football" to the club, etc.
Then - as it started to become obvious that Lyon was struggling to make it as a senior coach - it became "GT destroyed the list by trading away mediocre draft picks for mediocre players and by failing to give the young blokes a go".
Now - as we have seen a bunch of recycled players recruited to the club most of whom have struggled and it has become obvious that Lyon has even less intention than GT to develop young talent by playing it in the AFL - the plaintive cry has changed again. It's become "we were so much better in 2004-05 because we had Hamill, Peckett, Penny, Jones" etc, etc.
I wonder if these noodleheads will ever get to the correct solution to our current woes, namely: that, when a team is going well, it is an incredibly stupid idea to replace your entire coaching staff with a bunch of novice newcomers who have no previous connection with the club.
Imagine if you were a member of the Hawthorn board at the end of last season and you put forward a proposition that went: "Clarkson has had long enough to take the team to the top, players like Franklin, Hodge, Mitchell and co are so good that the team can coach itself, what we need to do is to appoint Michael Voss with Nigel Lappin, Aussie Jones and James Hird as his assistants". You'd be laughed out of the room, wouldn't you?
Whats even funnier is an absolute pro GT clone who called for Lyon to be sacked WEEKS ago pretending to put forward a post that offers some form of "objective" critique of pro/anti GT arguments. Thats funny.
Credibility = ZERO.
Stick to your " we need GT back rubbish"..at least your somewhat clear...
You accuse me of not being a "true blue supporter" and of having an agenda, but you are the one with an endless, tedious agenda.
It was alleged for a while on here that you were actually Cam Butterss. I personally never believed it, because you have a pipsqueak personality and bleating style of self-expression which is hard to equate to someone from a privileged background who has also played footy at a reasonably senior level.
But the fact that the rumour circulated for a while and was believed by many illustrates the agenda you have: like B4E and a few others, you are an obsessive GT-hater.
GT was a tall poppy: he had a lot of swagger and self-confidence, which infused the team and helped to take us to the top of the table.
People like you resent people like GT: they are too full of themselves and too smug. In short: they are too successful. Let's drag them down, stab them in the back and then trash their legacy for years afterwards, denying that they were in any way responsible for the success they achieved.
Small minded, provincial, envious, furtive thinking of the sort that motivates people who idolise the likes of Alan Jones and John Howard.
Nauseating.......
"It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into."
- Jonathan Swift
