BackFromUSA wrote: ↑Mon 24 Aug 2020 9:11pm
Joffa Burns wrote: ↑Mon 24 Aug 2020 4:20pm
BackFromUSA wrote: ↑Mon 24 Aug 2020 2:04pm
Joffa Burns wrote: ↑Mon 24 Aug 2020 12:30pm
SaintPav wrote: ↑Sun 23 Aug 2020 9:16pm
The more blatant error was the free-kick that was missed in the third against the Brisbane player directly in front when he got tackled and dropped the ball.
The other bad miss was when Kent was pushed in the back at the throw in.
Kent was blocking and that was either sheparding or in the back, my call is in the back.
Definitely missed one there IMO.
Romas was soft and wasn't that umpire #2?
I really cannot understand the focus on umpiring and the belief we get shafted every week.
It was 11/11 against the Lions and there were soft ones given to both and plenty missed for both.
If some could look objectively there would be perspective.
There is the odd game where we have a howler from the umps like the WC game this year and those where we were the beneficiary of the umpires shocker such as the PA game.
Umpiring didn't cost us the game yesterday, the horrendous set shot kicking by the Lions kept us in the hunt when I thought we'd be blown away.
Re the soft Roma free kick immediately after half time:
At half time the umpires are coached as well.
Perhaps it was brought to umpire Foote’s attention that he had not yet paid a free kick to St Kilda, that several had been missed and that he overlooked a definite 50 metre penalty.
Perhaps umpire Foote has this in mind when judging that contest where the free could have gone either way or he could have called play on. Instead he was super keen to pay the first free he could to a St Kilda player. It was a token effort to try to prove that he had no bias. To me it just said that the umpiring department have started to question whether he is perhaps biased and now he had to do something obvious to disprove it.
So your case is...
- hypothetically the umpires coach realized Foote is biased against St Kilda and spoke to him at half time
- hypothetically after being exposed, Foote consciously chose to gift St Kilda a free in front of goal to cover his tracks, that'll throw them off the trail thought Foote.
And you summarize that the umpiring department is NOW awake to the fact that umpire Foote hates St Kilda and deliberately cheats against us and the free to Roma was a cover?
Can't say I see a lot of logic in that theory BFUSA as you assume the umpires coach (who may or may not have been at the game, pulled him up at 1/2 time) has never noticed this blatant cheating until Sunday and that Footes performances against St kilda over the past seasons have not been reviewed. Or is it that the whole umpires department is part of the bias?
I'm planning to watch the replay this week, I never bother watching umpire numbers but I'll take notice if you can actually see the umpires awarding and see if Foote actually pays any frees to us.
I remember another poster stating Foote was 11/0 against us in one match as if it was a statistical fact, only for another poster to watch a replay and point out three frees paid to us in a quarter.
For what it is worth I find the persecution complex around umpiring inaccurate and one particular poster to be pulling the chain of all on this forum with their comments, but by blocking that poster on game day I am able to read through & enjoy the match day thread and only come across the ramblings when quoted by another.
joffa
You have taken my points and amplified them to unreasonable levels.
Yes - the umpire coach will have spoken to him and pointed out that he made quite a few umpire errors and 50/50s all in Brisbane's favour and the wording would have been something along the lines of "perhaps these were honest errors"... not accusing him of cheating but putting him on notice that the statistical anomoly had been noted. BANG ... free kick St Kilda 30 seconds after half time.
Unfortunately the coverage does not show which of the 2 other umpires overruled the officiating umpire in the first half to give Brisbane unwarranted free kicks BUT I believe Foote was the central umpire at the time.
And while you are watching - compare the non free kick to patton (the player was later suspended for rough play) to the boundry line free against I believe Steele late in the game for his tackle which was deemed high contact ... replays show it as a fair tackle and it was his shoulder against the players head in the tackle. Both arms were pinning him below his shoulder line from what the TV showed. The otehr St Kilda player alos tackled him fairly. Interesting that this boundry line infringement was not paid by the officiating umpire but either by Foote or the other umpire. I believe that you can hear the over-rule on the TV coverage.
I don't beieve umpires cheat (they just make mistakes) but I believe that Foote does have a conscious or an unconscious bias against St Kilda.
I think that there is a very good reason that Foote is not regarded as a top umpire.
Very measured and reasoned response, thank you BFUSA.
I'll look out for those incidents when I watch the replay.
My opinion on umpires:
- extremely difficult game to adjudicate, therefore many errors per match (supporters only focus on the ones that go against their teams)
- sometimes incompetent but don't cheat as a rule
- can get on your back as a club if you criticise them - whispers in the sky exhibit 1
- have favored and less liked players, usually around the amount the back chat or how they play the game
(I knew a guy who was so popular with the umpires the joke was he got votes in a game he missed)
- get caught up in teams momentum and seem to reward those teams
- make some absolute howlers
- get pressured by crowd noise in interstate hostile venues
I do not believe that we get shafted every week, that there is an AFL conspiracy to cheat against us, there is a cheating culture in the group or they have a huge outcome on game results on a regular basis.
You could certainly get a rogue umpire caught in game fixing or gambling who could have influence, but I think he'd be found out pretty quickly.