We've also had a high number of inside 50s, all encouraging signs.longtimesaint wrote:Our forwards have been getting plenty of the ball but Bruce, Membery and Weller need to kick straight.SydneySainter wrote:With the exception of Roo, our forwards are out of form and Carlisle is still getting his groove back.The Barometer wrote:They've got the midfield,we've got the forwards/backs. Should be interesting game.saintsRrising wrote:ace wrote:Collingwood favourites in the betting.
But that is to be expected given their large membership and following.
AND the lack of football IQ among these.
That, and that their midfield is starting to hum...
This game will be won in the centre.
It was mentioned last week that our marking in the forward 50 is above the AFL average.
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I worry about going in without Paddy. (Aside from the explosion of Paddy threads) I think we will compromise our structure if Roo goes forward to replace him. We want Roo in midfield.The Barometer wrote:Good to see billings named, hopefully paddy makes final cut. Would be silly to drop either of those two.
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I see Daniel and Biggs have been dropped.Con Gorozidis wrote:Excited about Ben Long.
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I remember watching probably his first game for the club in a vfl scratch match in Frankston and looked terrific on the forward flank out positioning and just out playing his opponent reading the play, he was brilliant kicked three or four goals on the run. Above I actually meant to say further forward not further up the ground. Agree he's definitely a receiver type and just wonder if we're trying to develop him too soon into a midfield contest type when we could really do with his use, and let him come on in the other regard as he gets older.Wombat15 wrote:The thing i notice with him is he needs the ball in his hands early. You watch the Melbourne game he gets the ball early and looks good. Personally i want to see him playing in Joeys role come 2018. He's too much of an outside player in comparison to what we drafted. from memory they wanted to run him through midfield but likes to get on the outside and use that left foot of his.millarsaint wrote:Is Billings being played out of position a little and should be higher up the ground? Hard to tell only watching on the telly but are we rushing him into the midfield/wing to quickly and better to let him excel in his regularly position most played before being recruited? Happy to be corrected if this is not entirely correct but just my thoughts watching Sunday's game.
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Reminds me of that match where he kicked a bunch of sausages in the last and snagged us the game. For sandy that is.millarsaint wrote:
I remember watching probably his first game for the club in a vfl scratch match in Frankston and looked terrific on the forward flank out positioning and just out playing his opponent reading the play, he was brilliant kicked three or four goals on the run. Above I actually meant to say further forward not further up the ground. Agree he's definitely a receiver type and just wonder if we're trying to develop him too soon into a midfield contest type when we could really do with his use, and let him come on in the other regard as he gets older.
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Yes because the Bulldogs pick their side on form and performance.CURLY wrote:I see Daniel and Biggs have been dropped.Con Gorozidis wrote:Excited about Ben Long.
Two bad games. You get dropped.
We should adopt similar principles.
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And that they are basically not that good.Con Gorozidis wrote:Yes because the Bulldogs pick their side on form and performance.CURLY wrote:I see Daniel and Biggs have been dropped.Con Gorozidis wrote:Excited about Ben Long.
Two bad games. You get dropped.
We should adopt similar principles.
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And so what?CURLY wrote:And that they are basically not that good.Con Gorozidis wrote:Yes because the Bulldogs pick their side on form and performance.CURLY wrote:I see Daniel and Biggs have been dropped.Con Gorozidis wrote:Excited about Ben Long.
Two bad games. You get dropped.
We should adopt similar principles.
Talk me through your logic.
Both are down on form this year so they got dropped. As they should be.
Doesn't take their flag away though does it.
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Re: Rd 4 team vs Pies
StKilda v Coll
I/change: Acres, Gilbert, Armitage, Long.
Emerg: Savage, Stevens, McCartin.
Armitage, Long in for Savage, McCartin.
I/change: Acres, Gilbert, Armitage, Long.
Emerg: Savage, Stevens, McCartin.
Armitage, Long in for Savage, McCartin.
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Gilbo very lucky to survive the chop.kosifantutti wrote:StKilda v Coll
I/change: Acres, Gilbert, Armitage, Long.
Emerg: Savage, Stevens, McCartin.
Armitage, Long in for Savage, McCartin.
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Re: Rd 4 team vs Pies
Stevens must have been close, im sure we will see him soon.kosifantutti wrote:StKilda v Coll
I/change: Acres, Gilbert, Armitage, Long.
Emerg: Savage, Stevens, McCartin.
Armitage, Long in for Savage, McCartin.
Roo named at half forward and joey on the wing. Really hope nick pushes into the midfield, thought our best chance of winning is to have him run riot in transition.
Savage is a good drop, he is damaging offensively but the pies smalls are dangerous and his defensive side isn't as strong as the other guys.
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So we lose a KPP (McCartin) for 2 "Mids" builds (Long and Armitage), one on debut, the other established as a leader of the side.
Given the introduction of Long, I am wholly surprised that Lonie has been retained.
Obviously their mid field spread has us worried by the selections and omissions, but Long on debut is a big ask and Lonie is questionable at best in regards mid field rotation support and particularly given a genuine "mid", Stevens, has been left out.
Then there is Riewoldt being removed as a mid field option, and that, to me, is a negative.
The omission of Savage improves us.
In regards Gilbert, he was a contributor last week in all aspects of defensive play and particularly when we were under most pressure, including rebounding.
The only "negative" was when he peeled off behind his opponent but we then very badly handed the ball over and the entry found Gilbert not man on man.
His performance exceeded the contributions of Geary (including his ineffectual and thankfully short lived foray into the mid field) and Webster.
I would expect there will be further changes and we are playing structural "ducks and drakes" at this stage.
Given the introduction of Long, I am wholly surprised that Lonie has been retained.
Obviously their mid field spread has us worried by the selections and omissions, but Long on debut is a big ask and Lonie is questionable at best in regards mid field rotation support and particularly given a genuine "mid", Stevens, has been left out.
Then there is Riewoldt being removed as a mid field option, and that, to me, is a negative.
The omission of Savage improves us.
In regards Gilbert, he was a contributor last week in all aspects of defensive play and particularly when we were under most pressure, including rebounding.
The only "negative" was when he peeled off behind his opponent but we then very badly handed the ball over and the entry found Gilbert not man on man.
His performance exceeded the contributions of Geary (including his ineffectual and thankfully short lived foray into the mid field) and Webster.
I would expect there will be further changes and we are playing structural "ducks and drakes" at this stage.
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Sick of this s***, watch the game again, Gilbert was fantastic off half back. Him, Roberton and Webster were just fantastic. Billings can count himself very lucky, I would've had Stevens in for himCon Gorozidis wrote:Gilbo very lucky to survive the chop.kosifantutti wrote:StKilda v Coll
I/change: Acres, Gilbert, Armitage, Long.
Emerg: Savage, Stevens, McCartin.
Armitage, Long in for Savage, McCartin.
Exciting to have two newbies in.
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Webster has been far better than Sam G
In fact Webster has been very good, close to our best defender
In fact Webster has been very good, close to our best defender
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No I am sick of this s*** of fan bois over rating our own players.BringBackMadDog wrote:Sick of this s***, watch the game again, Gilbert was fantastic off half back. Him, Roberton and Webster were just fantastic. Billings can count himself very lucky, I would've had Stevens in for himCon Gorozidis wrote:Gilbo very lucky to survive the chop.kosifantutti wrote:StKilda v Coll
I/change: Acres, Gilbert, Armitage, Long.
Emerg: Savage, Stevens, McCartin.
Armitage, Long in for Savage, McCartin.
Exciting to have two newbies in.
Here is an independent assessment
http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Rati ... am-GILBERT
If we were as good as some on here claim we would have five flags by now.
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I think these are positive changes. Paddy clearly not fit enough for the big boys, savage has been a liability the last few matches. I'm confident we'll win based on these changes. Very nice team balance
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I am not sure about Paddy out -we look fairly small with Lonnie, Gresham and Long.
Also means Roo needs to play forward more.
Admittedly Paddy probably needs to go back to Sandy.
Also means Roo needs to play forward more.
Admittedly Paddy probably needs to go back to Sandy.
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The Bulldogs should have dropped their whole team if it's based on form, very ordinary so far, for them it's Ordinary Friday.Con Gorozidis wrote:Yes because the Bulldogs pick their side on form and performance.CURLY wrote:I see Daniel and Biggs have been dropped.Con Gorozidis wrote:Excited about Ben Long.
Two bad games. You get dropped.
We should adopt similar principles.
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Acres can play tall in the forward linelongtimesaint wrote:I am not sure about Paddy out -we look fairly small with Lonnie, Gresham and Long.
Also means Roo needs to play forward more.
Admittedly Paddy probably needs to go back to Sandy.
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Gilbert can go forward too so it is probably to get more run.Myron Gaines wrote:Acres can play tall in the forward linelongtimesaint wrote:I am not sure about Paddy out -we look fairly small with Lonnie, Gresham and Long.
Also means Roo needs to play forward more.
Admittedly Paddy probably needs to go back to Sandy.
Collingwood don't have a very tall forward line so Gilbert isn't needed in the backs.
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happy with the changes. mccartin needs to gain some confidence. savage has been very poor. would have preferred stevens in, in place of billings or armo, but richardson seems a very conservative coach.
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Billings is the sort of player that could come good and I think Armo deserves his place.desertsaint wrote:happy with the changes. mccartin needs to gain some confidence. savage has been very poor. would have preferred stevens in, in place of billings or armo, but richardson seems a very conservative coach.
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billings is still in because he was pick 3. Had it been acres that played like him last week he would have been dropped without a doubt