Umpire treatment of our key forwards

[matrix]

bruce got the wrap around treatment a fair bit, i dont think he got one free from that
they also missed about two to riewoldt

how on earth you cannot see a blokes arm around a defenders waist ill never know
they have to really clamp down on this rule because ALL teams do it and its gotta stop

they pay stupid dicky frees in front of goals yet then dont pay the obvious holding by a defender that stops a forward from actually getting a leap at the footy

[gringo]

Why wasn't it a trip to the Freo player?

I am only talking the contact with Sinclair - which you obviously see as not high contact, as high contact is a free kick.

In answer to your quoted question - Quite simple - Sinclair was playing the ball - the Freo player was running in for the spoil - jumped to avoid contact - kneed Sinclair in the head.

Like saying the person who gets hit from behind because he stops for a child on the street is the instigator of an accident if someone runs into them from behind.

I have enjoyed our discussions in the past - but you have shown that you are beyond arguing with - I am reminded of the advise I was once told - 'Never argue with an idiot - they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience'

Good stuff SD. Plenty of players play the ball and get frees against them especially when they go low down and a player goes over the top of them. They get to the ball first and touch it but still get the free against for tripping. As I said I never want the free against want Sinclair did but I also don't want a free for that incidental contact to him. Its funny that no one seems to have seen the Goddard play when Goddard was elbowed in the head. Did you see it?

That's the rule for going in low with the potential to damage the knees of a player. That was on the back of what happened to the little red head guy from Sydney. It's still a fairly poorly administered free as there are two contradictory frees that could be paid. I understand it as the guy who goes in low at the ball when a guy is also coming into get it and has his legs impacted with the chance of sustaining damage will give away a free kick. If a guy uses his legs to drop into the players head while he is on the ground getting the ball it will be high contact and a free the other way. It relies on the umpire interpreting intent. Often they get them the wrong way round. Sinclair slipped and a guy charged into him while he was prone and his slipping contributed to the high contact. That's the only justifiable way it isn't a free- that he basically ducked to receive high contact, thus play on.

[kosifantutti]

Did anyone here say it should have been a free to Harry Taylor when Gardi took THAT mark?

[#gosaintas]

Incidental contact in a marking contest is fine. I think everyone is aware of that, or should be. Marking contests are a different beast.

[saynta]

Good work Curly. No need to wait until the end of the game.

Terrible umpiring the non free to Sinclair after the knee to the head was a classic along with the Savage head lock.

Amazing McKenzie gets knocked out but concedes a free.

What I love about you is you're the archetypal dog with a bone. Single focus. Nothing...nothing at all will shake your determination to see things the way you do. Go get 'em.....

I see things pretty much the same where the umpires are concerned. Where was the 50 metre penalty when Silvagni threw the ball away after Roo was awarded a free,

You can't say that the Afl doesn't condone cheating anymore after the Buddy fiasco. That showed that nothing was beyond the AFL to get its own way. The only question really is. What do the AFL have planned for the Saints?

On the Sinclair matter, I think posters are getting confused by what is a free-kick and what's reportable. The kick to the head was probably accidental, so it wasn't reportable, but was a free kick every day of the week.

There is also no doubt in my mind that a bigger tougher Freo side went out of their way to intimidate and hurt a very young Saints side. And they did. Full marks to the young 'uns for bouncing back after half time though.

[kosifantutti]

The "kick in the head" was unavoidable. Sinclair fell in front of Barlow and he did his best to avoid him. Play on was the right call. We also got a free five seconds later.

And Plugger, what did you think of the elbow to Goddard's head?

Play on was the right call???? Are you serious? If it was not seen, okay that it was not paid (as I said earlier), but play on being the right call - NFW - It does not matter in todays football if the contact was unintentional, unavoidable or unwhatever - the contact was made to his head. My son was given a choice - even to Under 14 - wear a helmet or do not play - What you are advocating is kick a player in the head, but as long as you the action was deemed unavoidable, no free.

This was a free, yesterday, today, next week and I hope for the sake of football, forever.

To say it was a missed free - I can accept that - but if the view of the umpires aligns itself with play on for that incident, Lord help us!!!

And what does getting a free 5 seconds later have to do with it - Are you saying it was a makeup free for the one that was missed - that you are claiming was play on???? Just there is why people are confused as to the interpretations of the umpires.

Everything you said in the first paragraph could equally well be said for the Gardiner mark but nobody thinks that was a free.

The free five seconds later was not a makeup free, it was a blatant holding the ball. My point was if people think we lost out by Sinclair not getting a free, it didn't matter because we got one anyhow. Unfortunately Lonie couldn't convert.

[plugger66]

Good work Curly. No need to wait until the end of the game.

Terrible umpiring the non free to Sinclair after the knee to the head was a classic along with the Savage head lock.

Amazing McKenzie gets knocked out but concedes a free.

What I love about you is you're the archetypal dog with a bone. Single focus. Nothing...nothing at all will shake your determination to see things the way you do. Go get 'em.....

I see things pretty much the same where the umpires are concerned. Where was the 50 metre penalty when Silvagni threw the ball away after Roo was awarded a free,

You can't say that the Afl doesn't condone cheating anymore after the Buddy fiasco. That showed that nothing was beyond the AFL to get its own way. The only question really is. What do the AFL have planned for the Saints?

On the Sinclair matter, I think posters are getting confused by what is a free-kick and what's reportable. The kick to the head was probably accidental, so it wasn't reportable, but was a free kick every day of the week.

There is also no doubt in my mind that a bigger tougher Freo side went out of their way to intimidate and hurt a very young Saints side. And they did. Full marks to the young 'uns for bouncing back after half time though.

Sorry but the Sinclair decision was the correct call. It was unavoidable contract. It was an intersection in the game that could not be avoided. Why if you are so certain that is a free then why isn't the Goddard elbow to his head a free. I don't believe you know all the rules based on some of your previous posting.

By the way we have had threads on the umpiring against every side this year so if the AFL are corrupt then it isn't to favour other sides, its to make sure the Saints get the dud deal. Can anyone give me any logical reason why they want us to have the dud deal. And mean logical not illogical.

And by the way you can be kicked in the head and the person doing the kicking can get a free and depending on the situation it can certainly be the correct call.

[CURLY]

Lets all be honest here the umpires pick and choose when they pay free kicks depending on who the player is, the club they play for, position on the ground and time of the game.

[plugger66]

Lets all be honest here the umpires pick and choose when they pay free kicks depending on who the player is, the club they play for, position on the ground and time of the game.

So obviously you think the AFL want them to umpire that way. Do you know how illogical that is? Anyway Curly do you ever write anything but criticizing something the club have no control in. It would nice to find out if you know anything about footy because clearly you sometimes no little about umpiring. I suppose Warburton got a dud deal as well this week.

[CURLY]

Lets all be honest here the umpires pick and choose when they pay free kicks depending on who the player is, the club they play for, position on the ground and time of the game.

So obviously you think the AFL want them to umpire that way. Do you know how illogical that is? Anyway Curly do you ever write anything but criticizing something the club have no control in. It would nice to find out if you know anything about footy because clearly you sometimes no little about umpiring. I suppose Warburton got a dud deal as well this week.

Perhaps the AFL do as its clear it flips and flops each week. Amazing that apparently the way the GF is umpired is the right way but its a one off each year.

[plugger66]

Lets all be honest here the umpires pick and choose when they pay free kicks depending on who the player is, the club they play for, position on the ground and time of the game.

So obviously you think the AFL want them to umpire that way. Do you know how illogical that is? Anyway Curly do you ever write anything but criticizing something the club have no control in. It would nice to find out if you know anything about footy because clearly you sometimes no little about umpiring. I suppose Warburton got a dud deal as well this week.

Perhaps the AFL do as its clear it flips and flops each week. Amazing that apparently the way the GF is umpired is the right way but its a one off each year.

Yep the best umpires and the best players who probably don't give as many stupid frees away. Our local footy had the best umpires this week and it was one of the best umpired games of the year. When we were bottom last year we got the worst umpires and it was very ordinary umpiring. Same goes for the AFL. As we get up the ladder we will get the better umpires and our players will be more skilled.

[spert]

Good work Curly. No need to wait until the end of the game.

Terrible umpiring the non free to Sinclair after the knee to the head was a classic along with the Savage head lock.

Amazing McKenzie gets knocked out but concedes a free.

What I love about you is you're the archetypal dog with a bone. Single focus. Nothing...nothing at all will shake your determination to see things the way you do. Go get 'em.....

I see things pretty much the same where the umpires are concerned. Where was the 50 metre penalty when Silvagni threw the ball away after Roo was awarded a free,

You can't say that the Afl doesn't condone cheating anymore after the Buddy fiasco. That showed that nothing was beyond the AFL to get its own way. The only question really is. What do the AFL have planned for the Saints?

On the Sinclair matter, I think posters are getting confused by what is a free-kick and what's reportable. The kick to the head was probably accidental, so it wasn't reportable, but was a free kick every day of the week.

There is also no doubt in my mind that a bigger tougher Freo side went out of their way to intimidate and hurt a very young Saints side. And they did. Full marks to the young 'uns for bouncing back after half time though.

Sorry but the Sinclair decision was the correct call. It was unavoidable contract. It was an intersection in the game that could not be avoided. Why if you are so certain that is a free then why isn't the Goddard elbow to his head a free. I don't believe you know all the rules based on some of your previous posting.

By the way we have had threads on the umpiring against every side this year so if the AFL are corrupt then it isn't to favour other sides, its to make sure the Saints get the dud deal. Can anyone give me any logical reason why they want us to have the dud deal. And mean logical not illogical.

And by the way you can be kicked in the head and the person doing the kicking can get a free and depending on the situation it can certainly be the correct call.

Is there a clause in the rules about unavoidable head-high contact? It's a thin line, as it could be argued that much head-high contact is unavoidable, yet free kicks are paid on a whim.

[CURLY]

Lets all be honest here the umpires pick and choose when they pay free kicks depending on who the player is, the club they play for, position on the ground and time of the game.

So obviously you think the AFL want them to umpire that way. Do you know how illogical that is? Anyway Curly do you ever write anything but criticizing something the club have no control in. It would nice to find out if you know anything about footy because clearly you sometimes no little about umpiring. I suppose Warburton got a dud deal as well this week.

Perhaps the AFL do as its clear it flips and flops each week. Amazing that apparently the way the GF is umpired is the right way but its a one off each year.

Yep the best umpires and the best players who probably don't give as many stupid frees away. Our local footy had the best umpires this week and it was one of the best umpired games of the year. When we were bottom last year we got the worst umpires and it was very ordinary umpiring. Same goes for the AFL. As we get up the ladder we will get the better umpires and our players will be more skilled.

bulls*** bulls*** bulls***. The two teams that play in the GF play against each other during the year and the umpires all umpire throughout the year.

[plugger66]

bulls*** bulls*** bulls***. The two teams that play in the GF play against each other during the year and the umpires all umpire throughout the year.

So you watch every game that carefully that you remember the times the 2 teams played each other during the season and how the game was umpired. Now that is bulls*** and you know it. And were the best umpires doing their game during the year. Very doubtful. I bet you though our GF were poorly umpired. I call bulls*** on your bulls***. By the way do you know anything about our club apart from us getting picked on? Doubtful. Poor Warburton or should I say poor umpires when they play Warburton.

[CURLY]

bulls*** bulls*** bulls***. The two teams that play in the GF play against each other during the year and the umpires all umpire throughout the year.

So you watch every game that carefully that you remember the times the 2 teams played each other during the season and how the game was umpired. Now that is bulls*** and you know it. And were the best umpires doing their game during the year. Very doubtful. I bet you though our GF were poorly umpired. I call bulls*** on your bulls***. By the way do you know anything about our club apart from us getting picked on? Doubtful. Poor Warburton or should I say poor umpires when they play Warburton.

I know plenty and unlike yourself I can agree with other rather than be that annoying clown every club has that chooses to go against the norm just to be a flog.

[plugger66]

bulls*** bulls*** bulls***. The two teams that play in the GF play against each other during the year and the umpires all umpire throughout the year.

So you watch every game that carefully that you remember the times the 2 teams played each other during the season and how the game was umpired. Now that is bulls*** and you know it. And were the best umpires doing their game during the year. Very doubtful. I bet you though our GF were poorly umpired. I call bulls*** on your bulls***. By the way do you know anything about our club apart from us getting picked on? Doubtful. Poor Warburton or should I say poor umpires when they play Warburton.

I know plenty and unlike yourself I can agree with other rather than be that annoying clown every club has that chooses to go against the norm just to be a flog.

Im not sure that's English but I would suggest you don't know a lot based on your lack of knowledge of the umpiring. I would suggest starting 18 threads in 18 weeks on how we get picked on in the umpiring is really flog worthy.

[CURLY]

bulls*** bulls*** bulls***. The two teams that play in the GF play against each other during the year and the umpires all umpire throughout the year.

So you watch every game that carefully that you remember the times the 2 teams played each other during the season and how the game was umpired. Now that is bulls*** and you know it. And were the best umpires doing their game during the year. Very doubtful. I bet you though our GF were poorly umpired. I call bulls*** on your bulls***. By the way do you know anything about our club apart from us getting picked on? Doubtful. Poor Warburton or should I say poor umpires when they play Warburton.

I know plenty and unlike yourself I can agree with other rather than be that annoying clown every club has that chooses to go against the norm just to be a flog.

Im not sure that's English but I would suggest you don't know a lot based on your lack of knowledge of the umpiring. I would suggest starting 18 threads in 18 weeks on how we get picked on in the umpiring is really flog worthy.

Its not 18 from 18 but it could easily be as the treatment of Roo and Bruce has been shitful.

[plugger66]

Its not 18 from 18 but it could easily be as the treatment of Roo and Bruce has been shitful.

Were you away one week?

[CURLY]

Its not 18 from 18 but it could easily be as the treatment of Roo and Bruce has been shitful.

Were you away one week?

That would sound more likely than them getting a fair run.

[plugger66]

Its not 18 from 18 but it could easily be as the treatment of Roo and Bruce has been shitful.

Were you away one week?

That would sound more likely than them getting a fair run.

Yes because its so logical the AFL only pick on the saints.

[CURLY]

Yeah and they never looked after GWS or Sydney thats all a myth......oh

[gringo]

Good work Curly. No need to wait until the end of the game.

Terrible umpiring the non free to Sinclair after the knee to the head was a classic along with the Savage head lock.

Amazing McKenzie gets knocked out but concedes a free.

What I love about you is you're the archetypal dog with a bone. Single focus. Nothing...nothing at all will shake your determination to see things the way you do. Go get 'em.....

I see things pretty much the same where the umpires are concerned. Where was the 50 metre penalty when Silvagni threw the ball away after Roo was awarded a free,

You can't say that the Afl doesn't condone cheating anymore after the Buddy fiasco. That showed that nothing was beyond the AFL to get its own way. The only question really is. What do the AFL have planned for the Saints?

On the Sinclair matter, I think posters are getting confused by what is a free-kick and what's reportable. The kick to the head was probably accidental, so it wasn't reportable, but was a free kick every day of the week.

There is also no doubt in my mind that a bigger tougher Freo side went out of their way to intimidate and hurt a very young Saints side. And they did. Full marks to the young 'uns for bouncing back after half time though.

Sorry but the Sinclair decision was the correct call. It was unavoidable contract. It was an intersection in the game that could not be avoided. Why if you are so certain that is a free then why isn't the Goddard elbow to his head a free. I don't believe you know all the rules based on some of your previous posting.

By the way we have had threads on the umpiring against every side this year so if the AFL are corrupt then it isn't to favour other sides, its to make sure the Saints get the dud deal. Can anyone give me any logical reason why they want us to have the dud deal. And mean logical not illogical.

And by the way you can be kicked in the head and the person doing the kicking can get a free and depending on the situation it can certainly be the correct call.

Is there a clause in the rules about unavoidable head-high contact? It's a thin line, as it could be argued that much head-high contact is unavoidable, yet free kicks are paid on a whim.

I'm pretty sure that's a tribunal ruling not an umpiring decision. If you hit the head unavoidable or not it should be a free kick.

[plugger66]

Yeah and they never looked after GWS or Sydney thats all a myth......oh

Got any stats to prove that? I agree. A myth. Unless you are talking off the field and that's fact and hasn't been denied. Still no footy talk. And what has that to do with my question anyway. Obviously just to hard to answer.

[plugger66]

I'm pretty sure that's a tribunal ruling not an umpiring decision. If you hit the head unavoidable or not it should be a free kick.

So gringo you thought Goddard should have got a free as he was elbowed in the head? And what about people who are kicked in the head when they slide in to get the ball. They actually give away a free. There is no rule that says if you are hit in the head it is a free and thank goodness for that. You need to actually see what happened.

[gringo]

I'm pretty sure that's a tribunal ruling not an umpiring decision. If you hit the head unavoidable or not it should be a free kick.

So gringo you thought Goddard should have got a free as he was elbowed in the head? And what about people who are kicked in the head when they slide in to get the ball. They actually give away a free. There is no rule that says if you are hit in the head it is a free and thank goodness for that. You need to actually see what happened.

There is incidental contact that isn't sufficient force to bother with. I didn't see what happened to Goddard so can't comment. The kick in the head for a sliding in player is a contentious ruling put in place after the slide in that did Gary Rohan's knee and has pretty much run contrary to 100+ years of football rulings. It still isn't properly administered often.