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What the three islands of New Zealand?Con Gorozidis wrote:On top of that - assuming nz is 'just another tassie' would be grossly offensive to a kiwi and is both arrogant and ignorant.
Tassie is a state of the commonwealth and has been since federation in 1901. NZ entirely independent country with its own separate history. Rubbish comparison.
Ok that settles it thenozrulestrace wrote:What the three islands of New Zealand?Con Gorozidis wrote:On top of that - assuming nz is 'just another tassie' would be grossly offensive to a kiwi and is both arrogant and ignorant.
Tassie is a state of the commonwealth and has been since federation in 1901. NZ entirely independent country with its own separate history. Rubbish comparison.
Answer:
The North island,
The South Island,
And the West Island.
(As told to me by a Kiwi cuzzy)
As I like to tell them - Australia is comprised of 8 main regions (2 territories and 6 states) and we consider New Zealand as our 10thozrulestrace wrote:
What the three islands of New Zealand?
Answer:
The North island,
The South Island,
And the West Island.
(As told to me by a Kiwi cuzzy)
Went straight over my headozrulestrace wrote:You've missed the humour Con.
It's against us and how they the Kiwis look at us. Relax it was a joke and I as an Australian actually got it.
BTW I work with some one who insists that New Zealand is in our constitution as part of the Federation.
Sadly I view our constitution like the Bible. Read the first paragraph and that's enough for me.
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Really ??!citywest wrote:Funny you should mention that. I firmly believe that we should/will eventually play 4 games per year in NZ. I believe the current contract expires in 4 years time. That is when we should increase to 2 games per year, 1 in Wellington and 1 in Christchurch. Then maybe after that contract expires we could look at playing 2 games in each city. I see no reason why we couldn't have 10,000 Kiwi based members by then. The flow on effect would be awesome for our club. I'm not sure how many NZ'ers migrate over to Aus each year but imagine if all of the ones that did automatically barracked for St Kilda!!!???? Also, when you factor in that we will relocate back to St Kilda, plus our young and emerging list, the next 10 years are looking very bright indeed.plugger66 wrote:citywest wrote:All you doom sayers should just shut up. This is a long term project that will eventually bear fruit. You can't expect to have 100,000 people jump on board after just 1 game. We need to be patient and be in it for the long haul. One game a year for the next 5 years is ok for now but I firmly believe that we need to eventually play at least 2 games there per year (and 1 pre-season game as well). I am very confident that after 10 years we could have 10,000 Kiwi members signed up.
Im surprised you dont want 4 games a year there. Your head must nearly be exploding after last night.
i disagree. i think you underestimate the kiwis. i just wish the afl schedule your mob against a better team. tourism agenda aside, anyone could see the lions would not be much chop this year.Con Gorozidis wrote:I have said since day dot the Kiwis would never buy in.
As someone who has lived in that country for a year - I have a strong held belief they will never ever give two hoots about the AFL. It couldn't be further removed from their culture and where they stand in general life. If anything they will be outright hostile to it. The idea of the 'big cousin from across the ditch' imposing a foreign game on them does not fit well with their psyche of independence. It goes against their entire essence, being and self opinion. They will reject it just on principle alone. Nothing to do with how good the actual game is or who the actual teams are. It goes much deeper into what it means to them to be a kiwi.
jmcp wrote:i disagree. i think you underestimate the kiwis. i just wish the afl schedule your mob against a better team. tourism agenda aside, anyone could see the lions would not be much chop this year.Con Gorozidis wrote:I have said since day dot the Kiwis would never buy in.
As someone who has lived in that country for a year - I have a strong held belief they will never ever give two hoots about the AFL. It couldn't be further removed from their culture and where they stand in general life. If anything they will be outright hostile to it. The idea of the 'big cousin from across the ditch' imposing a foreign game on them does not fit well with their psyche of independence. It goes against their entire essence, being and self opinion. They will reject it just on principle alone. Nothing to do with how good the actual game is or who the actual teams are. It goes much deeper into what it means to them to be a kiwi.
i lived there for over 10 years, 8 of them in wellington. the kiwis had vfl coverage back in the 80s. many of my kiwi friends notionally "support" an afl team on the back of growing up with that coverage. wellingtonians will support sport more than the other regions. having 9 games a week beamed in to nz also helps.
as i said in another thread, i have quite a few mates who went last year and are looking forward to going this year. they are relatively clueless about the game but are intrigued nonetheless.
that the game is built around anzac day helps the cause. it seems the saints are holding quite a few activities to get the locals involved and engaged.
fair enough. cup day is a ripper. always a good day out.Con Gorozidis wrote:jmcp wrote:i disagree. i think you underestimate the kiwis. i just wish the afl schedule your mob against a better team. tourism agenda aside, anyone could see the lions would not be much chop this year.Con Gorozidis wrote:I have said since day dot the Kiwis would never buy in.
As someone who has lived in that country for a year - I have a strong held belief they will never ever give two hoots about the AFL. It couldn't be further removed from their culture and where they stand in general life. If anything they will be outright hostile to it. The idea of the 'big cousin from across the ditch' imposing a foreign game on them does not fit well with their psyche of independence. It goes against their entire essence, being and self opinion. They will reject it just on principle alone. Nothing to do with how good the actual game is or who the actual teams are. It goes much deeper into what it means to them to be a kiwi.
i lived there for over 10 years, 8 of them in wellington. the kiwis had vfl coverage back in the 80s. many of my kiwi friends notionally "support" an afl team on the back of growing up with that coverage. wellingtonians will support sport more than the other regions. having 9 games a week beamed in to nz also helps.
as i said in another thread, i have quite a few mates who went last year and are looking forward to going this year. they are relatively clueless about the game but are intrigued nonetheless.
that the game is built around anzac day helps the cause. it seems the saints are holding quite a few activities to get the locals involved and engaged.
Im not saying anything is wrong with them not giving a s*** but they don't give a s***. I know they have footy - my mate played for the wellington hawks.
i also agree wellingtonians are more open to aucklanders (aucklanders really don't care - think sydney but more parochial).
we will have to agree to disagree. i have no no faith they will adopt our code at all and i feel the cultural differences (when it comes to sport) goes too deep.
i still support the idea - it seems like a good day out. I went to the wellington cup a few years ago which was a bloody great day out.
I have been a sceptic - and I wasnt around in the 70s so Im no advocate for suburban footy - But I totally support the initiative and agree with most things you say. I certainly dont want it to fail - as I'm really looking fwd to getting over there in the next 2 years (The flying taco is a great place to eat) and the brewery (its it monteiths?) on the waterfront aint too shabby either. The Stadium itself is a ripper in the centre of town.st_Trav_ofWA wrote:heres the thing in my opinion ... every one knows in NZ rugby is king no doubt .. but what we are trying to do is not compeate with rugby (would be pointless and we would lose) what we are offering is another sport for them to watch and enjoy on top of their first passion of rugby... yes you will get the percentage who will not want to even consider looking at anyother sport but i think you will get more than a few who will see it as a good oportunity to check out a game ... i liken it to when the NRL come to Perth once a year for a game ... most perth people dont have an interest in the NRL most wouldnt know the differance between a rabbito and an eel or what ever but the game still draws a crowd ... heck i know next to nothing about Rugby but i went last time they came and i to my suprise enjoyed it to the point where i would go again this year ... AFL will always be my number 1 sport to watch but the seed has been planted that im considering what NRL team to follow ... we can achieve this same thing in NZ their ruby teams will be the number one priority but maybe just maybe we can plant that seed into the locals where they think "i dont half mind this game and i might come again next year" and then eventualy get to the point of "i dont really follow aussie rules but i support that saints team that come over each year " .....
a lot of negative comments coming from the victorian supporters (and of the older generation) who i think in some small part want this to fail cause they dont want to share their team ... but this isnt the 1970's suburban footy is long dead .. the internet/social media have made the world a more conected place and people are more open to accepting new things.. we are pioneering this thing so we need to put 100% into making it work ... those who think its a stupid idea need to remember you fail 100% of the time in the things you dont give a try ....
thats what its all about .. i think the one game a year will work well as the novelty of the game i think would wear off if it was more than that , from all reports our club do a great job promoting and entertaining those who come to the game , im sure some corporate boxes get sold for the game and you can see the work the club do in regards to engaging the NZ public ... at this stage we make money from the game , we get exposure as a blockbuster game on TV back home with this game , we have from last year played pretty good footy at the ground so from what i can see its all been pretty successful so far .. i think its a good thing that the Brions are not promoting it much as we should be making it our territory over there (hence why i think we should never play a big club over there) ... also from the part of recruitment Rugby requires a specific body shape to be successful i would imagine there would be pleanty of skinny kids who would get destroyed playing rugby that might think that our game is worth giving a goCon Gorozidis wrote: I have been a sceptic - and I wasnt around in the 70s so Im no advocate for suburban footy - But I totally support the initiative and agree with most things you say. I certainly dont want it to fail - as I'm really looking fwd to getting over there in the next 2 years (The flying taco is a great place to eat) and the brewery (its it monteiths?) on the waterfront aint too shabby either. The Stadium itself is a ripper in the centre of town.
My commentary has been more about dampening expectations and keeping a bit of perspective. I dont want more than 1 game per year and dont think it will be like the 'hawks in tassie'. But long may the single game tradition continue.. Seems like a bloody great day out and Im sure the Wellingtonians enjoy it and I'm sure the Sainters who make the trip have a great time too.
saintspremiers wrote:Well I haven't been to Welly yet but the kiwis are a very open and friendly lot. They seem pretty happy and surely a few will take on supporting us.
But the more important thing at this stage is Aussies flying over the ditch and pumping NZ $ into Wellington's economy. That buys us time and the 5 years it could take to get 3 to 5,000 NZ members.
I think it's rubbish to think by 2018 we can get 10,000 NZ members, but it's a nice number and good for spin
ozrulestrace wrote:What the three islands of New Zealand?Con Gorozidis wrote:On top of that - assuming nz is 'just another tassie' would be grossly offensive to a kiwi and is both arrogant and ignorant.
Tassie is a state of the commonwealth and has been since federation in 1901. NZ entirely independent country with its own separate history. Rubbish comparison.
Answer:
The North island,
The South Island,
And the West Island.
(As told to me by a Kiwi cuzzy)
saintspremiers wrote:Well I haven't been to Welly yet but the kiwis are a very open and friendly lot. They seem pretty happy and surely a few will take on supporting us.
But the more important thing at this stage is Aussies flying over the ditch and pumping NZ $ into Wellington's economy. That buys us time and the 5 years it could take to get 3 to 5,000 NZ members.
I think it's rubbish to think by 2018 we can get 10,000 NZ members, but it's a nice number and good for spin
maybe they just dont like you stinger ??? and going by your previous comment its kinda understandablestinger wrote:saintspremiers wrote:Well I haven't been to Welly yet but the kiwis are a very open and friendly lot. They seem pretty happy and surely a few will take on supporting us.
But the more important thing at this stage is Aussies flying over the ditch and pumping NZ $ into Wellington's economy. That buys us time and the 5 years it could take to get 3 to 5,000 NZ members.
I think it's rubbish to think by 2018 we can get 10,000 NZ members, but it's a nice number and good for spin
try to speak with a kiwi accent until you have been served with your dinner if you are out and about..having been there a few times in my working days....i don't share your confidence that the locals like aussies.......
from memory last year they didnt have a membership drive as suche for the NZ game ... i think they might push it this year ... i would imagine the membership cost would be similar to what an interstate/international membership would costplugger66 wrote:saintspremiers wrote:Well I haven't been to Welly yet but the kiwis are a very open and friendly lot. They seem pretty happy and surely a few will take on supporting us.
But the more important thing at this stage is Aussies flying over the ditch and pumping NZ $ into Wellington's economy. That buys us time and the 5 years it could take to get 3 to 5,000 NZ members.
I think it's rubbish to think by 2018 we can get 10,000 NZ members, but it's a nice number and good for spin
Have you been able to find out how many members we have over there at this stage? And i wonder what they pay to be a member.
st_Trav_ofWA wrote:from memory last year they didnt have a membership drive as suche for the NZ game ... i think they might push it this year ... i would imagine the membership cost would be similar to what an interstate/international membership would costplugger66 wrote:saintspremiers wrote:Well I haven't been to Welly yet but the kiwis are a very open and friendly lot. They seem pretty happy and surely a few will take on supporting us.
But the more important thing at this stage is Aussies flying over the ditch and pumping NZ $ into Wellington's economy. That buys us time and the 5 years it could take to get 3 to 5,000 NZ members.
I think it's rubbish to think by 2018 we can get 10,000 NZ members, but it's a nice number and good for spin
Have you been able to find out how many members we have over there at this stage? And i wonder what they pay to be a member.
st_Trav_ofWA wrote:i know what an interstate membership costs ... its $110 and you get the membership pack plus access to 5 games at the dome ticket to any games in your home state (except WA where we have more members than ticket allocation so its a ballot system for game tickets)... also this year we got a saints travel bag (that i use as my gym bag).. as an interstate member you are recognised as a member and have the same voting rights at the AGM as any Victorian member as well ... i would imagine the NZ membership would be close to that
Most locals don't know I'm a tourist unless I tell them I'm from Melbourne. I don't have a strong Aussie accent given I'm born and bred in the burbs not the bush.stinger wrote:saintspremiers wrote:Well I haven't been to Welly yet but the kiwis are a very open and friendly lot. They seem pretty happy and surely a few will take on supporting us.
But the more important thing at this stage is Aussies flying over the ditch and pumping NZ $ into Wellington's economy. That buys us time and the 5 years it could take to get 3 to 5,000 NZ members.
I think it's rubbish to think by 2018 we can get 10,000 NZ members, but it's a nice number and good for spin
try to speak with a kiwi accent until you have been served with your dinner if you are out and about..having been there a few times in my working days....i don't share your confidence that the locals like aussies.......
