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You should be able to understand why he is bagged. he got runned down at least 2-3 times last night, and just looks out of it as soon as he gets the ball.bigcarl wrote:I sat near a St Kilda fellow last night who just bagged Raph at every opportunity.
Sad thing is, his two kids, young girls, also were getting stuck into him. Get Raph off, etc, etc.
Not a good role model.
I agree totally. It was such a bad performance by Raph. My pie was cold at half time, the bloody Pakenham line train was late and WE LOST. To cap it off the bloody papers weren't delivered this morning and I've got constipation. THANKS FOR NOTHING RAPH. It's all your fault.!!!!ttufc7 wrote:I have been a Raph sympathizer from the start I've always felt bad for him. How is a player supposed to grow in confidence when everytime he gets his hands on the football there is an audible groan from the crowd. But tonight I finally ran out of patience. No other player in the AFL gets run down rebounding out of the defensive 50 more than Raph. His decision making process seems to be much too slow to keep up with the pace of AFL football.
I'm not sure that race is the reason for the hatred of Raph.saint patrick wrote:Joffa ..respect you mate but the race thing is just not the case.Raph has some ability but too often turns the ball over..someone commented that when he gets the ball there is a collective groan ..well it doesn't happen without a reason.His being run down at the start of of the 09 GF did it for me..can't blame him for that loss but that was instrumental on getting the cats up and running and a gimme goal in what was basically a 1 point result is significant.
If its racial then why wasn't Nicky Winmar senior treated the same way?
Just accept that some of us think that Raphs worst outweighs his best..can't doubt his heart but it has to be more than that.Certainly not on his own but not in our best 22 going forward in my opinion and his race is not a factor!!
I'll agree that some fairweather supporters notice Raph's errors more because of the colour of his skin.Dr Spaceman wrote:I'm not sure that race is the reason for the hatred of Raph.saint patrick wrote:Joffa ..respect you mate but the race thing is just not the case.Raph has some ability but too often turns the ball over..someone commented that when he gets the ball there is a collective groan ..well it doesn't happen without a reason.His being run down at the start of of the 09 GF did it for me..can't blame him for that loss but that was instrumental on getting the cats up and running and a gimme goal in what was basically a 1 point result is significant.
If its racial then why wasn't Nicky Winmar senior treated the same way?
Just accept that some of us think that Raphs worst outweighs his best..can't doubt his heart but it has to be more than that.Certainly not on his own but not in our best 22 going forward in my opinion and his race is not a factor!!
However I have little doubt that race plays a big part in how some people display that hatred.
Think this is a massive slur on the bulk of St.Kilda supporters...people look at the errors.. the skin colour is bloody irrelevant !!dcstkfc wrote:I'll agree that some fairweather supporters notice Raph's errors more because of the colour of his skin.Dr Spaceman wrote:I'm not sure that race is the reason for the hatred of Raph.saint patrick wrote:Joffa ..respect you mate but the race thing is just not the case.Raph has some ability but too often turns the ball over..someone commented that when he gets the ball there is a collective groan ..well it doesn't happen without a reason.His being run down at the start of of the 09 GF did it for me..can't blame him for that loss but that was instrumental on getting the cats up and running and a gimme goal in what was basically a 1 point result is significant.
If its racial then why wasn't Nicky Winmar senior treated the same way?
Just accept that some of us think that Raphs worst outweighs his best..can't doubt his heart but it has to be more than that.Certainly not on his own but not in our best 22 going forward in my opinion and his race is not a factor!!
However I have little doubt that race plays a big part in how some people display that hatred.
somesaint patrick wrote:Think this is a massive slur on the bulk of St.Kilda supporters...people look at the errors.. the skin colour is bloody irrelevant !!dcstkfc wrote:I'll agree that some fairweather supporters notice Raph's errors more because of the colour of his skin.Dr Spaceman wrote:I'm not sure that race is the reason for the hatred of Raph.saint patrick wrote:Joffa ..respect you mate but the race thing is just not the case.Raph has some ability but too often turns the ball over..someone commented that when he gets the ball there is a collective groan ..well it doesn't happen without a reason.His being run down at the start of of the 09 GF did it for me..can't blame him for that loss but that was instrumental on getting the cats up and running and a gimme goal in what was basically a 1 point result is significant.
If its racial then why wasn't Nicky Winmar senior treated the same way?
Just accept that some of us think that Raphs worst outweighs his best..can't doubt his heart but it has to be more than that.Certainly not on his own but not in our best 22 going forward in my opinion and his race is not a factor!!
However I have little doubt that race plays a big part in how some people display that hatred.
Gram is getting slammed too Jigster..and for good reason..tradebait or delist!thejiggingsaint wrote:YAWN!!!!!!!! and in the meantime, guys like gram get a free ride!
Are you serious? Really?dcstkfc wrote:I'll agree that some fairweather supporters notice Raph's errors more because of the colour of his skin.Dr Spaceman wrote:I'm not sure that race is the reason for the hatred of Raph.saint patrick wrote:Joffa ..respect you mate but the race thing is just not the case.Raph has some ability but too often turns the ball over..someone commented that when he gets the ball there is a collective groan ..well it doesn't happen without a reason.His being run down at the start of of the 09 GF did it for me..can't blame him for that loss but that was instrumental on getting the cats up and running and a gimme goal in what was basically a 1 point result is significant.
If its racial then why wasn't Nicky Winmar senior treated the same way?
Just accept that some of us think that Raphs worst outweighs his best..can't doubt his heart but it has to be more than that.Certainly not on his own but not in our best 22 going forward in my opinion and his race is not a factor!!
However I have little doubt that race plays a big part in how some people display that hatred.
If he stays he needs to go forward because he either doesnt think quickly enough when on the run, doesnt hear team mates calling him, ignores those team mates or his awareness is just not up to the speed at this level.dcstkfc wrote:Raph will frustrate forever. The question is whether he is worth keeping on for the mixd bag he gives, and by extension would his replacement be any better.
FFS, I said some fairweather fans. Not all.Iceman234 wrote:Are you serious? Really?dcstkfc wrote:I'll agree that some fairweather supporters notice Raph's errors more because of the colour of his skin.Dr Spaceman wrote:I'm not sure that race is the reason for the hatred of Raph.saint patrick wrote:Joffa ..respect you mate but the race thing is just not the case.Raph has some ability but too often turns the ball over..someone commented that when he gets the ball there is a collective groan ..well it doesn't happen without a reason.His being run down at the start of of the 09 GF did it for me..can't blame him for that loss but that was instrumental on getting the cats up and running and a gimme goal in what was basically a 1 point result is significant.
If its racial then why wasn't Nicky Winmar senior treated the same way?
Just accept that some of us think that Raphs worst outweighs his best..can't doubt his heart but it has to be more than that.Certainly not on his own but not in our best 22 going forward in my opinion and his race is not a factor!!
However I have little doubt that race plays a big part in how some people display that hatred.
I've had many many off-line interactions with Raph and X and while I rate them both very highly as people many Saints supporters were over X's injuries and Raph's performances.
Nothing to do wih skin colour you dumb f****!
To do with ability and not standing up to the phsyical or mental ability of finals football.
And yet I would still stand beside them anytime as they are just bloody good blokes.
f****** skin colour, spare me.
Wasn't actually aimed at you dscftc, was just a general rant that it's not alway racist related ffs, we sometimes sponsor these guys and get close to them but sometimes...well they're good blokes and they don't actualy appreciate this racist card eitherIceman234 wrote:Are you serious? Really?dcstkfc wrote:I'll agree that some fairweather supporters notice Raph's errors more because of the colour of his skin.Dr Spaceman wrote:I'm not sure that race is the reason for the hatred of Raph.saint patrick wrote:Joffa ..respect you mate but the race thing is just not the case.Raph has some ability but too often turns the ball over..someone commented that when he gets the ball there is a collective groan ..well it doesn't happen without a reason.His being run down at the start of of the 09 GF did it for me..can't blame him for that loss but that was instrumental on getting the cats up and running and a gimme goal in what was basically a 1 point result is significant.
If its racial then why wasn't Nicky Winmar senior treated the same way?
Just accept that some of us think that Raphs worst outweighs his best..can't doubt his heart but it has to be more than that.Certainly not on his own but not in our best 22 going forward in my opinion and his race is not a factor!!
However I have little doubt that race plays a big part in how some people display that hatred.
I've had many many off-line interactions with Raph and X and while I rate them both very highly as people many Saints supporters were over X's injuries and Raph's performances.
Nothing to do wih skin colour you dumb f****!
To do with ability and not standing up to the phsyical or mental ability of finals football.
And yet I would still stand beside them anytime as they are just bloody good blokes.
f****** skin colour, spare me.
Has played in 3 Grandfinals Dave..might find a Richmond or Port Adelaide are interested..has run his race with us !!thejiggingsaint wrote:Gram "tradebait"? do me a favour? WHO is going to take him? HONESTLY!
would they give a 2nd / 3rd round pick for him? i'd consider taking it.saint patrick wrote:Has played in 3 Grandfinals Dave..might find a Richmond or Port Adelaide are interested..has run his race with us !!thejiggingsaint wrote:Gram "tradebait"? do me a favour? WHO is going to take him? HONESTLY!
I wouldn't appreciate it either, but I'm sure there is a racist undercurrent with a minority.Iceman234 wrote:Wasn't actually aimed at you dscftc, was just a general rant that it's not alway racist related ffs, we sometimes sponsor these guys and get close to them but sometimes...well they're good blokes and they don't actualy appreciate this racist card eitherIceman234 wrote:Are you serious? Really?dcstkfc wrote:I'll agree that some fairweather supporters notice Raph's errors more because of the colour of his skin.Dr Spaceman wrote:I'm not sure that race is the reason for the hatred of Raph.saint patrick wrote:Joffa ..respect you mate but the race thing is just not the case.Raph has some ability but too often turns the ball over..someone commented that when he gets the ball there is a collective groan ..well it doesn't happen without a reason.His being run down at the start of of the 09 GF did it for me..can't blame him for that loss but that was instrumental on getting the cats up and running and a gimme goal in what was basically a 1 point result is significant.
If its racial then why wasn't Nicky Winmar senior treated the same way?
Just accept that some of us think that Raphs worst outweighs his best..can't doubt his heart but it has to be more than that.Certainly not on his own but not in our best 22 going forward in my opinion and his race is not a factor!!
However I have little doubt that race plays a big part in how some people display that hatred.
I've had many many off-line interactions with Raph and X and while I rate them both very highly as people many Saints supporters were over X's injuries and Raph's performances.
Nothing to do wih skin colour you dumb f****!
To do with ability and not standing up to the phsyical or mental ability of finals football.
And yet I would still stand beside them anytime as they are just bloody good blokes.
f****** skin colour, spare me.
Not sure where you're going with this Joff , I loved Nicky Winmar but don't like Raph...It's all about the footy pure and simple. I'm sure you'll find that %99 are the same.joffaboy wrote:Yup agreed.bozza1980 wrote:I'm almost hoping we delist him so this witch hunt can end.
I suppose we alawy have young Nicholas Winmar to scapegoat next year
And if people think I am using the race card.
YOU AR DAMNED FKN TOOTIN I am.
It has been a witch hunt on Raph from the start, and the critisism by some has much more to do than hi s ability.
He got caught at least twice last night because he had SFA to kicki too. Stupid halfwits who only ball watch wouldn't have a clue on the zone 20-70 metres up the field.
Raph was poor last night, no doubt, nut so was Roo, Kosi, GIlbert, Zac, Polo, Schneider and a host of others.
Where is the hatefilled diatribes against them?
A disgrace.
Raph, just retire, or leave. These so called supporters will never accept you.
Nicholas Winmar, you better go as well, you'll be next.
( God help me)
