Fair point, but wouldn't part of his sacking been due to bringing the club into disrepute, which if these allegations have any founding could be the case again.joffaboy wrote:Why?dcstkfc wrote:Suddenly Lovett may have a serious legal case.IluvHarvey wrote:If she is under 18 it will be!Dr Spaceman wrote:Buckets wrote:Nanny state or not this doesnt sound good!
At least the R word hasn't been mentioned!
This is crap for everyone involved!!
St.Kilda have always maintained he wasn't sacked because of the rape allegation, so what has changed?
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The footy clinic point is actually the only point of contention in the whole thing.
What are the other problems?
Why is it serious?
If she is over 16 there is no problem.
There is no accusation of rape.
It's just a football player chasing chick who got up the duff.
Unlucky, yes.
Stupid, perhaps.
Unlawful, no.
Let's hope the little fella is a decent kick.
^^^ Oh and also - if they're going to blame football players for rooting 17-19 year old girls who chase them around the country after meeting them at football clinics, well, frankly, they'll have to ban football clinics or girls or the sport altogether.
MEDIA BEAT UP.
ffs
It's actually a disgrace, this Footy Clinic line.
The whole thing is a disgrace and nobodies business.
The footy clinic fact is thrown in as the ONLY justification for printing this crap.
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The footy clinic point is actually the only point of contention in the whole thing.
What are the other problems?
Why is it serious?
If she is over 16 there is no problem.
There is no accusation of rape.
It's just a football player chasing chick who got up the duff.
Unlucky, yes.
Stupid, perhaps.
Unlawful, no.
Let's hope the little fella is a decent kick.
^^^ Oh and also - if they're going to blame football players for rooting 17-19 year old girls who chase them around the country after meeting them at football clinics, well, frankly, they'll have to ban football clinics or girls or the sport altogether.
MEDIA BEAT UP.
ffs
It's actually a disgrace, this Footy Clinic line.
The whole thing is a disgrace and nobodies business.
The footy clinic fact is thrown in as the ONLY justification for printing this crap.
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I guess the pointr is Joffa is that if she's under the age of 16 it becomes statutory rape regardless of whether it was consensual or not. THat's what it will be investigated as. Not great publicity if she's over 16 and still at school though.joffaboy wrote:What i am finding really interesting is how many of you equate having consensual sex (as it appears) with rape.
That is almost as distrubing as a couple of blokes having it of with a young woman without using a franger.
Fkn fools.
Of course they did something. They had sex with a girl. A girl who from early reports lied about her age. The rest will come out over the ensuing days.Griggsy wrote: There is no doubt they did something so this won't blow over easy.
At this stage, there is not much to this and to make comparisons to the 'alleged' Lovett incidence is ridiculous. However, if FACTUAL evidence came to light that something more sinister happened, they will cop the same treatment that Lovett did.
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Would be interesting to know what this "poor little victim" posted on her Facebook page between the time she bagged a couple of AFL players and the time she realised she had scored a lifetime memento of the occasion.
Once again it appears the act itself was consensual (indeed she appears to have gone looking for more scalps after the Saints) and that the only problem was that she became pregnant!
Once again it appears the act itself was consensual (indeed she appears to have gone looking for more scalps after the Saints) and that the only problem was that she became pregnant!
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Ah no. The footy clinic 'crap' is thrown in as added evidence that the girls is under 18 and that the players met her through her school. One of the only defences to statutory rape is that you reasonably believed the girl was over the age of 16. Meeting her through a footy clinic may well throw serious doubt on the claim that they thought she was over 18.Quixote wrote:MY POSTS FROM SAINTS BF: for what they're worth:
The footy clinic point is actually the only point of contention in the whole thing.
What are the other problems?
Why is it serious?
If she is over 16 there is no problem.
There is no accusation of rape.
It's just a football player chasing chick who got up the duff.
Unlucky, yes.
Stupid, perhaps.
Unlawful, no.
Let's hope the little fella is a decent kick.
^^^ Oh and also - if they're going to blame football players for rooting 17-19 year old girls who chase them around the country after meeting them at football clinics, well, frankly, they'll have to ban football clinics or girls or the sport altogether.
MEDIA BEAT UP.
ffs
It's actually a disgrace, this Footy Clinic line.
The whole thing is a disgrace and nobodies business.
The footy clinic fact is thrown in as the ONLY justification for printing this crap.
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My reading between the lines. The player knew that the young lady was either 17 or 18. Otherwise why would they assume a girl they meet at a football clinic (for under16's) as magically over 18. My money is on a 17 year old who pretended to be just out of school and now is an older student in year 12 and up the duff. Stupid thing for the players to do but hardly a hanging offence. The more I listen to this story the more I find it confusing. Obviously the players had no idea who she was when they meet her in sydney as she made up her age and place of work.
I do believe this highlights the danger some young ladies put themselves in when chasing these men. But most likely it's a first year player who made a stupid mistake.
I do believe this highlights the danger some young ladies put themselves in when chasing these men. But most likely it's a first year player who made a stupid mistake.
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Fevola never played for us and Hall left years ago.chook23 wrote:dumb and dumberdcstkfc wrote:Anyone have any legitimate inkling as to which players are involved?
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Take it with a grain of salt but the Hun did say Saints stars.Solar wrote:My reading between the lines. The player knew that the young lady was either 17 or 18. Otherwise why would they assume a girl they meet at a football clinic (for under16's) as magically over 18. My money is on a 17 year old who pretended to be just out of school and now is an older student in year 12 and up the duff. Stupid thing for the players to do but hardly a hanging offence. The more I listen to this story the more I find it confusing. Obviously the players had no idea who she was when they meet her in sydney as she made up her age and place of work.
I do believe this highlights the danger some young ladies put themselves in when chasing these men. But most likely it's a first year player who made a stupid mistake.
I'm wondering who the opposition player is?
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Round 1 in Sydney.lurker#134 wrote:Take it with a grain of salt but the Hun did say Saints stars.Solar wrote:My reading between the lines. The player knew that the young lady was either 17 or 18. Otherwise why would they assume a girl they meet at a football clinic (for under16's) as magically over 18. My money is on a 17 year old who pretended to be just out of school and now is an older student in year 12 and up the duff. Stupid thing for the players to do but hardly a hanging offence. The more I listen to this story the more I find it confusing. Obviously the players had no idea who she was when they meet her in sydney as she made up her age and place of work.
I do believe this highlights the danger some young ladies put themselves in when chasing these men. But most likely it's a first year player who made a stupid mistake.
I'm wondering who the opposition player is?
I would have thought that only the squad of 23 would have traveled up for the match so I assume the 2 players were amongst that 23.
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Yeah but the story’s all over the place.Moods wrote:Ah no. The footy clinic 'crap' is thrown in as added evidence that the girls is under 18 and that the players met her through her school. One of the only defences to statutory rape is that you reasonably believed the girl was over the age of 16. Meeting her through a footy clinic may well throw serious doubt on the claim that they thought she was over 18.Quixote wrote:MY POSTS FROM SAINTS BF: for what they're worth:
The footy clinic point is actually the only point of contention in the whole thing.
What are the other problems?
Why is it serious?
If she is over 16 there is no problem.
There is no accusation of rape.
It's just a football player chasing chick who got up the duff.
Unlucky, yes.
Stupid, perhaps.
Unlawful, no.
Let's hope the little fella is a decent kick.
^^^ Oh and also - if they're going to blame football players for rooting 17-19 year old girls who chase them around the country after meeting them at football clinics, well, frankly, they'll have to ban football clinics or girls or the sport altogether.
MEDIA BEAT UP.
ffs
It's actually a disgrace, this Footy Clinic line.
The whole thing is a disgrace and nobodies business.
The footy clinic fact is thrown in as the ONLY justification for printing this crap.
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It seems the players met the girl at a high school football clinic however it is not clear how she presented at that time. The story indicates she reintroduced herself in Sydney and told them she was 18 years old and worked at the AIS. The story doesn’t indicate the time frame between the clinic and Round 1. It could have been 12 months for all we know.
The point is how do we know her story did not come across as credible? Everyone seems to be accepting that our guys saw this little pig-tailed school girl playing Auskick and then had sex with her. It may have been 12 months earlier. Even if it was more recent she may not have actually been participating in the clinic. She may have just been at the venue and met the players.
Now things may come out that changes everything but at this point in time these guys (or at least one of them) have done nothing more than stuff up the contraception.
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How many first year players do we have who made their debut in Sydney? None that I can think of. Let's just all pray that at the time of conception the girl was 16, that the player concerned is not married or isn't already in a committed relationship with kids of his own.Solar wrote:I do believe this highlights the danger some young ladies put themselves in when chasing these men. But most likely it's a first year player who made a stupid mistake.
It doesn't have to be against the law for this to get messy.
Occupational hazard being a professional athlete and girls throwing themselves at you. Surely whoever it was had to think 'this girl looks young.' Let's face it, footballers aren't brain surgeons. We just don't need this at the moment.
It is claimed the players did not recall having met her at the school football clinic.Moods wrote:
Ah no. The footy clinic 'crap' is thrown in as added evidence that the girls is under 18 and that the players met her through her school. One of the only defences to statutory rape is that you reasonably believed the girl was over the age of 16. Meeting her through a footy clinic may well throw serious doubt on the claim that they thought she was over 18.
In Sydney, the girl allegedly told the players that she was 18 and worked at the Australian Institute of Sport in Canberra.
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Buckets wrote:guy i know. as i said dont know if legit so not even thinking about typing the names on the forum!dcstkfc wrote:What's your source?Buckets wrote:Well i just got names but not sure how legit.
Are they in the 22 at the minute you can tell us that
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One was still in the 22 on sunday. I can pm if you want.Saint Mik wrote:Buckets wrote:guy i know. as i said dont know if legit so not even thinking about typing the names on the forum!dcstkfc wrote:What's your source?Buckets wrote:Well i just got names but not sure how legit.
Are they in the 22 at the minute you can tell us that
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