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I want to differ with all of the above. I cant see any improvement to the Fwd line or HF line with those changes. I think if Lynch does alright on Saturday night, he is in with a chance. Without him, who is going to take the HFF, Dempster (has had two recent tries there, found wanting). Goddard, a possiblity. I imagine the other HFF would be Snotty.
We tend to only play 5 forwards anyway so that would be the 2 talls and the 3 smalls. i dont think we will play a 6th but if we do then it is likely to be Dempster or Jimmy, either who could play back if we use 7 there.borderbarry wrote:I want to differ with all of the above. I cant see any improvement to the Fwd line or HF line with those changes. I think if Lynch does alright on Saturday night, he is in with a chance. Without him, who is going to take the HFF, Dempster (has had two recent tries there, found wanting). Goddard, a possiblity. I imagine the other HFF would be Snotty.
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i'd be surprised and disappointed if we didn't try to improve a forward line that showed itself to be very reliant on riewoldt - not just in the gf - but through the entire finals series.plugger66 wrote:We tend to only play 5 forwards anyway so that would be the 2 talls and the 3 smalls. i dont think we will play a 6th but if we do then it is likely to be Dempster or Jimmy, either who could play back if we use 7 there.
i don't think it needs a total overhaul; just a bit of tweaking.
stanley might be a chance; lynch might be a chance ... or we might have some plan involving goddard
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It's not so much the forward line that is reliant on Roo though, I would personally like to see more midfielders going for a goal themselves rather than trying to hit Roo up when perhaps the game has dictated that he is likely to have company.bigcarl wrote:i'd be surprised and disappointed if we didn't try to improve a forward line that showed itself to be very reliant on riewoldt - not just in the gf - but through the entire finals series.plugger66 wrote:We tend to only play 5 forwards anyway so that would be the 2 talls and the 3 smalls. i dont think we will play a 6th but if we do then it is likely to be Dempster or Jimmy, either who could play back if we use 7 there.
i don't think it needs a total overhaul; just a bit of tweaking.
stanley might be a chance; lynch might be a chance ... or we might have some plan involving goddard
That is what was so promising about the last couple of weeks, the Gram and Goddard goals will prove to be very valuable if they can keep it up in the season proper.
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B: Gwilt Dawson Baker
HB: Gilbert S.Fisher Gram
C: Montagna Hayes Ray
HF: Goddard Riewoldt Schnieder
F: McQualter Koschitzke Milne
Fol: Mcevoy Dal Santo Jones
Int: King Geary Blake Armitage
Emg: Clarke Peake Stanley Steven
then….Eddy Gaerthner miles l.fisher
Lynch didn’t impress me all that much against Freo so he isn’t in the squad
Gardiner – Injured??
Miles is a back up backman at the moment
Gwilt has earned his spot has been very impressive
Dempster will find it hard to break into this team. Cant find a spot for him would have miles and peake in before him.
A.Smith could play if lenny is still not quite ready. Heyne still a bit to go.
HB: Gilbert S.Fisher Gram
C: Montagna Hayes Ray
HF: Goddard Riewoldt Schnieder
F: McQualter Koschitzke Milne
Fol: Mcevoy Dal Santo Jones
Int: King Geary Blake Armitage
Emg: Clarke Peake Stanley Steven
then….Eddy Gaerthner miles l.fisher
Lynch didn’t impress me all that much against Freo so he isn’t in the squad
Gardiner – Injured??
Miles is a back up backman at the moment
Gwilt has earned his spot has been very impressive
Dempster will find it hard to break into this team. Cant find a spot for him would have miles and peake in before him.
A.Smith could play if lenny is still not quite ready. Heyne still a bit to go.
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B: Gwilt Dawson Baker
HB: Gilbert Fisher Gram
C: Dal Santo Montagna Ray
HF: McQualter Riewoldt Goddard
F: Milne Koschitzke Schnieder
Fol: McEvoy Hayes Jones
Int: King Blake Armitage Geary
Schnider will probably swap with the likes of Dal Santo and Goddard to play
in the middle. Goddard will probably play more up forward if thats what they think. Ray probably will play down back perhaps to have Gram in the middle.
Geary can be versatile playing either down back or forward so a good asset to have.. just like Gwilt. Pretty much most backman will try to push forward and set one of the forwards up with their run and the forwards(zone) to assit back with even milney being partically part of a midfield role when needed. So most players positions could change a lot during the course of the match.
HB: Gilbert Fisher Gram
C: Dal Santo Montagna Ray
HF: McQualter Riewoldt Goddard
F: Milne Koschitzke Schnieder
Fol: McEvoy Hayes Jones
Int: King Blake Armitage Geary
Schnider will probably swap with the likes of Dal Santo and Goddard to play
in the middle. Goddard will probably play more up forward if thats what they think. Ray probably will play down back perhaps to have Gram in the middle.
Geary can be versatile playing either down back or forward so a good asset to have.. just like Gwilt. Pretty much most backman will try to push forward and set one of the forwards up with their run and the forwards(zone) to assit back with even milney being partically part of a midfield role when needed. So most players positions could change a lot during the course of the match.
ThisB: Gwilt Dawson Baker
HB: Gilbert Fisher Gram
C: Dal Santo Montagna Ray
HF: McQualter Riewoldt Goddard
F: Milne Koschitzke Schnieder
Fol: McEvoy Hayes Jones
Int: King Blake Armitage Geary
Except if Gardiner comes up.
Lenny maybe an outside chance to miss - if so Peake
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more midfield goals would help, true.SainterK wrote:It's not so much the forward line that is reliant on Roo though, I would personally like to see more midfielders going for a goal themselves rather than trying to hit Roo up when perhaps the game has dictated that he is likely to have company.
That is what was so promising about the last couple of weeks, the Gram and Goddard goals will prove to be very valuable if they can keep it up in the season proper.
guys who are good kicks such as goddard and dal santo should be encouraged to have a ping if they are within range.
perhaps the plan will be to get them within range more often by playing them closer to goal. or by playing riewoldt closer to goals so they can go over his head if they want to.
the concern remains that under real finals pressure we'll revert to our old ways.
RD 1 team (assuming Raph, Gardiner, Lenny, Blake, Eddy all aren't right for RD1.)
B: Gwilt Dawson Baker
HB: Gilbert Fisher Goddard Geary
C: Montagna Gram Ray
HF: Schneider Riewoldt
F: Milne Koschitzke McQualter
Foll: McEvoy Dal Santo Jones
Int: King Armitage Peake Geary
Emerg: Miles, Dempster, Stanley
Few comments:
I know, 4 HB, 2 HF. We seem to have one loose back their most of the time and i think thats the way we should structure up. With one of Goddard, Gilbert, Fisher loose depending on match ups.
Not sure with everyone's obsession with Goddard as a forward, other than 1/4 against West Coast last year he has never really been that effective up there.l His delivery from HB and through the midfield is exceptional and I think losing that delivery that he gives to Riewoldt and Koschitzke will hurt.
Midfield Rotation: Dal, Montagna, Goddard, Jones, Ray, Armitage, Schneider (looks fitter than ever), Gram, Peake, McEvoy, King. And Geary, McQualter can go in their if needed.
I think Peake was OK on Saturday night. I think Ross has recruited him to play him. Runs to the right spots, tackles well, question marks on his disposal.
Although discussion in this thread saying Peake may be better/as good as Ray is pretty surprising. Ray was fantastic last year and for someone who said that he seems to pull out a bit? That's a silly comment IMO, only criticism of Ray would be his disposal, he will put his body on the line when it is his turn.
B: Gwilt Dawson Baker
HB: Gilbert Fisher Goddard Geary
C: Montagna Gram Ray
HF: Schneider Riewoldt
F: Milne Koschitzke McQualter
Foll: McEvoy Dal Santo Jones
Int: King Armitage Peake Geary
Emerg: Miles, Dempster, Stanley
Few comments:
I know, 4 HB, 2 HF. We seem to have one loose back their most of the time and i think thats the way we should structure up. With one of Goddard, Gilbert, Fisher loose depending on match ups.
Not sure with everyone's obsession with Goddard as a forward, other than 1/4 against West Coast last year he has never really been that effective up there.l His delivery from HB and through the midfield is exceptional and I think losing that delivery that he gives to Riewoldt and Koschitzke will hurt.
Midfield Rotation: Dal, Montagna, Goddard, Jones, Ray, Armitage, Schneider (looks fitter than ever), Gram, Peake, McEvoy, King. And Geary, McQualter can go in their if needed.
I think Peake was OK on Saturday night. I think Ross has recruited him to play him. Runs to the right spots, tackles well, question marks on his disposal.
Although discussion in this thread saying Peake may be better/as good as Ray is pretty surprising. Ray was fantastic last year and for someone who said that he seems to pull out a bit? That's a silly comment IMO, only criticism of Ray would be his disposal, he will put his body on the line when it is his turn.
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I think Lenny will be right.Sam23 wrote:RD 1 team (assuming Raph, Gardiner, Lenny, Blake, Eddy all aren't right for RD1.)
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after this weekend we should have an idea about Gardiner.
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Mini was the most accurate shot on goal for the Saints in 2009, and even he missed a sitter in the GF.bigcarl wrote:
the concern remains that under real finals pressure we'll revert to our old ways.
With more players having played a GF now, I think this will be good for us.
As for "old ways". Not sure what you mean by this.
But I am confident we will see well drilled forward entries, no doubt with a 2010 tweak or too.
Kosi shank from in close was not that inspring despite him actually being quite a good kick.
Just shows that players need to concentrate more.
Maybe Kosi needs to adopt a routine when kicking for goal? Worked well for Lowe and Lloyd.
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for most of last season we found and used many avenues to goal.saintsRrising wrote:As for "old ways". Not sure what you mean by this.
in the finals, under pressure, we seemed a little riewoldt-centric as we have been in the past. that's how i saw it, anyway, and that is what i mean by it.
take his goals against collingwood and the bulldogs out and we were in danger of going out in straight sets. in the gf, with roo out of sorts, no one else was able to step up and actually convert the opportunities.
don't want to go over old ground too much, but you've got to learn from history. we really could do with a goal-kicking third marking option.
goddard would have been ideal, but i take the point that he might be considered too valuable elsewhere as a playmaker.
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FB: Baker Dawson Blake
HB: Goddard Fisher Gram
C: Gilbert Armitage Montagna
HF: McQualter Riewoldt Schneider
FF: Steven Koschitzke Milne
R: McEvoy Dal Santo Jones
Int: Ray, McEvoy, Geary, Lynch
Emerg: Gwilt, Smith, Peake, Stanley
Injuries:
Hayes
Gardiner
Clarke
If Hayes is available, Ray would be left out.
X-Factor: Gilbert to to the wing, quick and agile and a raking left foot. Would be a very hard match up for other teams.
HB: Goddard Fisher Gram
C: Gilbert Armitage Montagna
HF: McQualter Riewoldt Schneider
FF: Steven Koschitzke Milne
R: McEvoy Dal Santo Jones
Int: Ray, McEvoy, Geary, Lynch
Emerg: Gwilt, Smith, Peake, Stanley
Injuries:
Hayes
Gardiner
Clarke
If Hayes is available, Ray would be left out.
X-Factor: Gilbert to to the wing, quick and agile and a raking left foot. Would be a very hard match up for other teams.
It's an interesting one - perhaps it's worth the gamble to give someone else a gig given that McEvoy, Stanley (if playing) and Kosi can do the job. Kingy will be solid through the season but theoretically this is still a practice match.My mistake should have been King
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Baker Dawson Blake
Gilbert Gwilt Ray
Gram Dal Santo Montagna
Goddard Riewoldt Schneider
McQualter Koschitzke Milne
Gardiner Hayes Jones
Armitage McEvoy Dempster/Miles
Geary
emg: King Miles/Dempster Peake
I'd like to see Raph get a good go but later on in the year after a few games in the VFL.
What concerns me most is who is our back-up inside midfielder?
Of course no one is close to Hayes' level, but no obvious candiudates from outside the side can contest at the moment.
I'd assume that Armo/BJ/Joey/Dal/CJ/Mini/Bakes/Geary will rotate through the 2/3 blokes you need winning you the pill.
Gilbert Gwilt Ray
Gram Dal Santo Montagna
Goddard Riewoldt Schneider
McQualter Koschitzke Milne
Gardiner Hayes Jones
Armitage McEvoy Dempster/Miles
Geary
emg: King Miles/Dempster Peake
I'd like to see Raph get a good go but later on in the year after a few games in the VFL.
What concerns me most is who is our back-up inside midfielder?
Of course no one is close to Hayes' level, but no obvious candiudates from outside the side can contest at the moment.
I'd assume that Armo/BJ/Joey/Dal/CJ/Mini/Bakes/Geary will rotate through the 2/3 blokes you need winning you the pill.
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Miles b4 Dempster as he has at least had a run. Think you have the 22 for round 1 spot on. Although Im not sure about Peake as an emergency, would like to think Eddy Raph Steven would go past him pretty quickly.dcstkfc wrote:Baker Dawson Blake
Gilbert Gwilt Ray
Gram Dal Santo Montagna
Goddard Riewoldt Schneider
McQualter Koschitzke Milne
Gardiner Hayes Jones
Armitage McEvoy Dempster/Miles
Geary
emg: King Miles/Dempster Peake
I'd like to see Raph get a good go but later on in the year after a few games in the VFL.
What concerns me most is who is our back-up inside midfielder?
Of course no one is close to Hayes' level, but no obvious candiudates from outside the side can contest at the moment.
I'd assume that Armo/BJ/Joey/Dal/CJ/Mini/Bakes/Geary will rotate through the 2/3 blokes you need winning you the pill.
Maybe this year?
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Eddy Raph and Steven are injured.rexy wrote:Miles b4 Dempster as he has at least had a run. Think you have the 22 for round 1 spot on. Although Im not sure about Peake as an emergency, would like to think Eddy Raph Steven would go past him pretty quickly.dcstkfc wrote:Baker Dawson Blake
Gilbert Gwilt Ray
Gram Dal Santo Montagna
Goddard Riewoldt Schneider
McQualter Koschitzke Milne
Gardiner Hayes Jones
Armitage McEvoy Dempster/Miles
Geary
emg: King Miles/Dempster Peake
I'd like to see Raph get a good go but later on in the year after a few games in the VFL.
What concerns me most is who is our back-up inside midfielder?
Of course no one is close to Hayes' level, but no obvious candiudates from outside the side can contest at the moment.
I'd assume that Armo/BJ/Joey/Dal/CJ/Mini/Bakes/Geary will rotate through the 2/3 blokes you need winning you the pill.
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Thats why they could not be emergencies now, I would like to think they would go past him pretty quickly when fit though. Sorry for not being clearer.Bernard Shakey wrote:Eddy Raph and Steven are injured.rexy wrote:Miles b4 Dempster as he has at least had a run. Think you have the 22 for round 1 spot on. Although Im not sure about Peake as an emergency, would like to think Eddy Raph Steven would go past him pretty quickly.dcstkfc wrote:Baker Dawson Blake
Gilbert Gwilt Ray
Gram Dal Santo Montagna
Goddard Riewoldt Schneider
McQualter Koschitzke Milne
Gardiner Hayes Jones
Armitage McEvoy Dempster/Miles
Geary
emg: King Miles/Dempster Peake
I'd like to see Raph get a good go but later on in the year after a few games in the VFL.
What concerns me most is who is our back-up inside midfielder?
Of course no one is close to Hayes' level, but no obvious candiudates from outside the side can contest at the moment.
I'd assume that Armo/BJ/Joey/Dal/CJ/Mini/Bakes/Geary will rotate through the 2/3 blokes you need winning you the pill.
Maybe this year?
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