If saintsational was a pub I dont think we would have to listen to RF for too long.rodgerfox wrote:Someone with his dash and line breaking running would be great - but under Lyon he'll no doubt spend 18 weeks in the 2s until he learns to play football like a potato and reduce his impact to less than 10 posessions each week.saint66au wrote:Another bloke to handcuff to Lenny during the off-season then.rodgerfox wrote:It's a massive, massive question mark though.OLB wrote:
His work-rate is the only question mark.
The postives far outweight the negatives with this bloke I reckon. If any group can instill a better work rate into him, its ours. Just need the steely stare and ultimatum from BJ ("You come to us with a reputation for being a soft****..its up to you to prove it wrong") that Farren Ray copped at his first training session
Comedy and sarcasm aside, why would Lyon be interested in a guy as piiss weak as Lovett? He displays every single characteristic that Lyon tries to coach out of everyone.
Saints officially in the hunt for Lovett, offer 3 yr deal!
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I think Lovett is OVER-RATED!
He is turning 27 soon. He has a history of being trouble off the field (with the law, not getting on with his coaches, lacking dedication etc.)
Started to be more consistent this year (played 22/23 games) but who wouldn't in a contract year?
21 goals in 22 games - nothing special.
http://superstats.heraldsun.com.au/profile/240720.html
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/play ... ovett.html
Contested possies - 118, uncontested - 338. 25% of possessions are contested
Disposal efficiency - 73%.
Compare this with similar players (mid/fwd) Leon Davis (71%), Didak (74%)...others to compare - Dal (74%), Pendlebury (80%), Judd (71%) , Ablett Jnr (76%)
FYI - Stats from the Heraldsun's superstats player links.
He is turning 27 soon. He has a history of being trouble off the field (with the law, not getting on with his coaches, lacking dedication etc.)
Started to be more consistent this year (played 22/23 games) but who wouldn't in a contract year?
21 goals in 22 games - nothing special.
http://superstats.heraldsun.com.au/profile/240720.html
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/play ... ovett.html
Contested possies - 118, uncontested - 338. 25% of possessions are contested
Disposal efficiency - 73%.
Compare this with similar players (mid/fwd) Leon Davis (71%), Didak (74%)...others to compare - Dal (74%), Pendlebury (80%), Judd (71%) , Ablett Jnr (76%)
FYI - Stats from the Heraldsun's superstats player links.
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in one breath you say hes no good . in the next you compare him to davis ablett dal and judd....hotdish wrote:I think Lovett is OVER-RATED!
He is turning 27 soon. He has a history of being trouble off the field (with the law, not getting on with his coaches, lacking dedication etc.)
Started to be more consistent this year (played 22/23 games) but who wouldn't in a contract year?
21 goals in 22 games - nothing special.
http://superstats.heraldsun.com.au/profile/240720.html
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/play ... ovett.html
Contested possies - 118, uncontested - 338. 25% of possessions are contested
Disposal efficiency - 73%.
Compare this with similar players (mid/fwd) Leon Davis (71%), Didak (74%)...others to compare - Dal (74%), Pendlebury (80%), Judd (71%) , Ablett Jnr (76%)
FYI - Stats from the Heraldsun's superstats player links.
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Lovett addresses one of our needs - a quick line breaking midfielder who can also contribute a goal a match.
He will be very handy.
I hope we can snare him - sounds like he might be easier to get than Burgoyne.
We just need to fill one more need - a clever, quick thinking medium sized half forward flanker who averages 2 goals a match -someone like a Motlop type to provide the right balance to complete our forward line - which only plays tall and short at the moment.
We have bass (tall) and treble(short) - we do need a good mid range to provide a beautiful and harmonious hi fi forward line.
He will be very handy.
I hope we can snare him - sounds like he might be easier to get than Burgoyne.
We just need to fill one more need - a clever, quick thinking medium sized half forward flanker who averages 2 goals a match -someone like a Motlop type to provide the right balance to complete our forward line - which only plays tall and short at the moment.
We have bass (tall) and treble(short) - we do need a good mid range to provide a beautiful and harmonious hi fi forward line.
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I'd love to have Lovett -- I can already see him flying towards goal in a saints jumper.
But he'd have to commit to the Lyon/St Kilda program -- new discipline, team oriented role, etc. We'd need to establish that in the interview process with him, which means we on the outside just have to trust those on the inside. If he's not going to come good character-wise, I'm confident our club wouldn't take him.
But Please Please Please -- give Goose another go!!!
I can hardly bear the thought of losing him. Give him a chance -- I feel sure he's got great, heroic footy left in him for us . (If he fails, then at least we'll know it was never in the stars.)
But he'd have to commit to the Lyon/St Kilda program -- new discipline, team oriented role, etc. We'd need to establish that in the interview process with him, which means we on the outside just have to trust those on the inside. If he's not going to come good character-wise, I'm confident our club wouldn't take him.
But Please Please Please -- give Goose another go!!!
I can hardly bear the thought of losing him. Give him a chance -- I feel sure he's got great, heroic footy left in him for us . (If he fails, then at least we'll know it was never in the stars.)
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What a graphically equalising way to look at it.samoht wrote:Lovett addresses one of our needs - a quick line breaking midfielder who can also contribute a goal a match.
He will be very handy.
I hope we can snare him - sounds like he might be easier to get than Burgoyne.
We just need to fill one more need - a clever, quick thinking medium sized half forward flanker who averages 2 goals a match -someone like a Motlop type to provide the right balance to complete our forward line - which only plays tall and short at the moment.
We have bass (tall) and treble(short) - we do need a good mid range to provide a beautiful and harmonious hi fi forward line.
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I understand your sentiments re: Goose (I've got #31 on my Saints jumper!) but there is a school of thought that Goose may have some trade value this year but probably won't next year (after clubs see how injury has robbed him).avid wrote:I'd love to have Lovett -- I can already see him flying towards goal in a saints jumper.
But he'd have to commit to the Lyon/St Kilda program -- new discipline, team oriented role, etc. We'd need to establish that in the interview process with him, which means we on the outside just have to trust those on the inside. If he's not going to come good character-wise, I'm confident our club wouldn't take him.
But Please Please Please -- give Goose another go!!!
I can hardly bear the thought of losing him. Give him a chance -- I feel sure he's got great, heroic footy left in him for us . (If he fails, then at least we'll know it was never in the stars.)
If we can work him into a deal to get Lovett or another midfielder (Josh Kennedy from Hawthorn?) then I'm sure Ross will look very closely at it.
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Yes, that's the educated school of thought.Animal Enclosure wrote:I understand your sentiments re: Goose (I've got #31 on my Saints jumper!) but there is a school of thought that Goose may have some trade value this year but probably won't next year (after clubs see how injury has robbed him).avid wrote:I'd love to have Lovett -- I can already see him flying towards goal in a saints jumper.
But he'd have to commit to the Lyon/St Kilda program -- new discipline, team oriented role, etc. We'd need to establish that in the interview process with him, which means we on the outside just have to trust those on the inside. If he's not going to come good character-wise, I'm confident our club wouldn't take him.
But Please Please Please -- give Goose another go!!!
I can hardly bear the thought of losing him. Give him a chance -- I feel sure he's got great, heroic footy left in him for us . (If he fails, then at least we'll know it was never in the stars.)
I'm in the hope against hope school.
The thing that worries me with Burgoyne is that, for some reason, I have this impression that he hasn't got the pace he once had. He hasn't been fully fit for the last two seasons.PJ wrote:Could someone summarise what would the difference be between getting lovett and getting Burgoyne?? I think Burgoyne is a little more in and under than Lovett but they appear to have similar skills. Or is it a personality thing?
At his best in 2004/05 he could really get his skates on. Effortless, easy pace too.
Both Burgoyne and Lovett at their best? Burgoyne by a street.
With Lovett there are doubts about his mentality, but with Burgoyne, providing he hasn't lost his pace of course, there are none.
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I agree. It's all about his headspace. ST K are a pretty rigid outfit now. None of this namby pamby Knightsian 'Just go out there and run fast' stuff. He'll be required to work both ways and he'll be required to be a shitload fitter than he's ever been.Milan Faletic wrote:Lovett will be cheaper than Burgoyne and could be just as good.
Do that, and he'll be a good score.
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The similarities are fairly obvious it just seems to be that behaviour is high up there
Burgoyne - Touted as club captain, leadership group, model citizen
Lovett - Bad boy, violent outbursts, always in the media for wrong reasons
I agree it will come down to where their heads are at. I think Lovett could do the job over the next 3 years but I'd hate to lose Ball and pick 16 for 3 seasons of footy. I think we'd lose on that one.
Burgoyne - Touted as club captain, leadership group, model citizen
Lovett - Bad boy, violent outbursts, always in the media for wrong reasons
I agree it will come down to where their heads are at. I think Lovett could do the job over the next 3 years but I'd hate to lose Ball and pick 16 for 3 seasons of footy. I think we'd lose on that one.
I've never seen a bad St.Kilda player - that's just how they are.
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Given that our best shot at a flag is the next 2 or 3 years... I'll take it.PJ wrote:The similarities are fairly obvious it just seems to be that behaviour is high up there
Burgoyne - Touted as club captain, leadership group, model citizen
Lovett - Bad boy, violent outbursts, always in the media for wrong reasons
I agree it will come down to where their heads are at. I think Lovett could do the job over the next 3 years but I'd hate to lose Ball and pick 16 for 3 seasons of footy. I think we'd lose on that one.
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Today's Lovett news -- So far it's all going according to hope!avid wrote:Yes, that's the educated school of thought.Animal Enclosure wrote:I understand your sentiments re: Goose (I've got #31 on my Saints jumper!) but there is a school of thought that Goose may have someavid wrote:I'd love to have Lovett -- I can already see him flying towards goal in a saints jumper.
But he'd have to commit to the Lyon/St Kilda program -- new discipline, team oriented role, etc. We'd need to establish that in the interview process with him, which means we on the outside just have to trust those on the inside. If he's not going to come good character-wise, I'm confident our club wouldn't take him.
But Please Please Please -- give Goose another go!!!
I can hardly bear the thought of losing him. Give him a chance -- I feel sure he's got great, heroic footy left in him for us . (If he fails, then at least we'll know it was never in the stars.)
trade value this year but probably won't next year (after clubs see how injury has robbed him).
I'm in the hope against hope school.
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I was comparing kicking efficiency you tool - There was some claims that his disposal was elite. I compared it with similar position players and some other full time midfielders (who don't play the same position as Lovett)Con Gorozidis wrote:in one breath you say hes no good . in the next you compare him to davis ablett dal and judd....hotdish wrote:
Disposal efficiency - 73%.
Compare this with similar players (mid/fwd) Leon Davis (71%), Didak (74%)...others to compare - Dal (74%), Pendlebury (80%), Judd (71%) , Ablett Jnr (76%)