Hmmm...stinger wrote:ross has actually spoken about putting in a young 'un for a final........mentions brereton a bit in that regard........
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Can you please outline the precise reasons for this?OLB wrote:To say that we don't need rest is a little naive.
Any side getting rest into their players has a distinct advantage.
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Firstly, give me a clear example of a player missing one game of football due to rest and coming back totally out of touch? When a footballer is in form, it means he's not only playing exceptional football on game day, but he's also in form on the training track. There's a lot of truth in the old adage, "you play the way you train". That's where form and confidence is essentially built - in training. Game day is the opportunity to showcase it to the world.saintsRrising wrote:Can you please outline the precise reasons for this?OLB wrote:To say that we don't need rest is a little naive.
Any side getting rest into their players has a distinct advantage.
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I am naive on this ...and you are obviously knowledgeable....so please illustrate exactly what the advantages are?
Can you also please explain how "rest" now can be stored for use in the finals?
My obviously naive view is that modern training and conditioning means that breaks of longer than 7 days of more have little advantage unless there is bruising, corkies or other injuries to overcome....but then that becomes injury recovery and not resting.
And back on momentum
IMO what really sets the Saints apart this year is willingness to work (workrate) and team-work (witha renewed focus on what team values are importnant and need to be achieved). There are numerous other factors...but IMO these are the key.
This areas are in the mind and can easily be lost.
While the Hawks have had injuries...what really has hurt them is that they lost their mojo.
So IMO form should not be flirted with.....sure we can be cautious as we have been with player injuries (ie Gardi and Max)...but momentum lost is not easily regained.
The coach and all the players have said that this year that they have concentrated on the process....and so now is not the time to flirt with this.
I will give you a whole team..StKilda....and they only missed a training session to see a movie instead.OLB wrote:
Firstly, give me a clear example of a player missing one game of football due to rest and coming back totally out of touch?
That is because:OLB wrote:
Have a look at these facts:
Many footballers over the past few years have strongly opposed an extension to the AFL season.
err..you are now reinforcing my point.OLB wrote:
We can't get through a week of build-up without talk of 5, 6, 7 day breaks. This is crucial today.
Is it not obvious how fatigue plays a major part in our game?[/b]
errr ..is this not an obvious statement???? Our game revolves around endurance..and so managing fatigue is very important. Who has said it is not? Not I.OLB wrote:
Is it not obvious how fatigue plays a major part in our game?[/b]
I'm more concerned about the reverse scenario, given the way the team is operating this year. What happens when a player is introduced to the team who lacks game time?OLB wrote:Firstly, give me a clear example of a player missing one game of football due to rest and coming back totally out of touch?
You're not one who suggests we lost a flag solely because our supporters ran onto the ground at AAMI are you?saintsRrising wrote:I will give you a whole team..StKilda....and they only missed a training session to see a movie instead.OLB wrote:
Firstly, give me a clear example of a player missing one game of football due to rest and coming back totally out of touch?
Momentum is easily lost.
Bear with me here, SrR.saintsRrising wrote:I do.OLB wrote:
Surely you understand the concept of fatigue?
But what medical reason is there that demonstrates that players need more than 7 days to recover from fatigue?
Please point me in the direction of the information that indicates this..
You've actually reinforced the point of this thread.saintsRrising wrote:err..you are now reinforcing my point.OLB wrote:
We can't get through a week of build-up without talk of 5, 6, 7 day breaks. This is crucial today.
Is it not obvious how fatigue plays a major part in our game?[/b]
5 day breaks where your opponent has a longer break is a disadvantage.
I've never heard a player or coach cite money as a reason for opposing a longer season.saintsRrising wrote:That is because:OLB wrote:
Have a look at these facts:
Many footballers over the past few years have strongly opposed an extension to the AFL season.
1/ There is no extra money for players to play longer
2/ Players want their time off to enjoy themselves....times when they can do things they want. In season football rules what they do 24/7
AFL: Season is too long: Schwab
Hawthorn coach PETER SCHWAB says the AFL season is too long and is taking far too great a toll on players.
SCHWAB also claims it's time for more detailed research on player injuries as well as looking at increasing the size of club ..
No we are not.OLB wrote:
Are we in agreeance that a game of AFL footy takes more of a toll on the body than a marathon? No doubt.
No I have not at all.OLB wrote:
You've actually reinforced the point of this thread.
The whole point is that a side with more rest has a distinct advantage.
Exaclty.saintsRrising wrote:No we are not.OLB wrote:
Are we in agreeance that a game of AFL footy takes more of a toll on the body than a marathon? No doubt.
No doubt?
I actually completely disagree.
AFL footballers monitor their bodies during a game under the close watch of Conditioning Coaches.
They push themselves ...but not too far. Too much lactic acid build up etc and they are off.
Now the Marathons I have seen...did not have interchanges..and the runners involved have to push themselves the "wall".
Marathon runners actually do great harm to their bodies....and their muscles at the end are converted to energy to fuel their bodies.
This does not occur the AFL footballers.
In extreme cases runners have actually "melted-down".
This means that Marathon Runners, unlike AFL footballers, require much greater recovery times than 7 days.
However as AFL is an impact game it can mean that they need longer recovery times than say soccer Players who can often play repeated games ata lot less than a 7 day spacing.
As you have written it no.OLB wrote:You're not one who suggests we lost a flag solely because our supporters ran onto the ground at AAMI are you?saintsRrising wrote:I will give you a whole team..StKilda....and they only missed a training session to see a movie instead.OLB wrote:
Firstly, give me a clear example of a player missing one game of football due to rest and coming back totally out of touch?
Momentum is easily lost.
That's pure fantasy.
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If you think that money is not important to players then I think you are dreaming.OLB wrote:
I've never heard a player or coach cite money as a reason for opposing a longer season.
AFL footballers do not have to push through the wall? That would be the exact definition of "gut-running", I would've thought. No?saintsRrising wrote:Now the Marathons I have seen...did not have interchanges..and the runners involved have to push themselves through the "wall".
I'm not saying money is not important.saintsRrising wrote:If you think that money is not important to players then I think you are dreaming.OLB wrote:
I've never heard a player or coach cite money as a reason for opposing a longer season.
Very few players want to retire now..as the money is too good.
Take Cricket Players...they complained bitterly for years about their being too much cricket etc etc.
But as soon as IPL offered large sums of dosh to play in their off-season 99% of them could not sign up quick enough (not that I blame them).
The "original" marathon runner died....on arrival.OLB wrote:
I'm yet to see a marathon runner throw up as he's crossing the finish line.
saintsRrising wrote:The "original" marathon runner died....on arrival.OLB wrote:
I'm yet to see a marathon runner throw up as he's crossing the finish line.
Other runners have "melted-down" their bodies.
Others have pushed to hard and done permanent damage or have even died .
From 1990 to 1999, 14 people died playing Australian Rules football, mostly from brain injury following collisions between players
err...you are the one that brought up Marathon Running as an arguement to back up the benefits of "rest".OLB wrote:Marathon runnners aren't bumped, they're not thrown to ground, they never have to sprint, they don't have to leap or change directions, they don't finish marathons with corks and bruises, they rarely get injured.
Aa!