Sweeney and Raymond gone!

saintsRrising · Mon 17 Sep 2007 4:28pm

How many more delisted will depend in part of how many rookies are elevated,,,,and also how they handle Attard who will be kept.

I am not sure with Attard whether it isbest to leave him as a Rookie or elevate him.

If they elevate him they can try another rookie as opposed to an extra late pick.

So lets assume that they elevate Attard and CJ....and possibly Geary.

Keep VR...maybe Eddie. Let go Wall.

That would be 4 new rookies. 3 elevations....which squares the 3 current retirements.

2 delisted so far...BUT will take at least 3 maybe 4 in the draft.

So that would mean another 1 or two delistings/retirements.

I more if they go PSD...but at pick 8 in the PSD that would be lean pickings even allowing that not all clubs will participate.

fonz_#15 · Post: # 458041Post **fonz_#15** » Mon 17 Sep 2007 4:30pm

solar, unless sweeney has one hell of a good manager i doubt this would have happened because he is not smart enough to pull off something like a bluff.

Solar · Post: # 458045Post **Solar** » Mon 17 Sep 2007 4:35pm

fonz_#15 wrote:solar, unless sweeney has one hell of a good manager i doubt this would have happened because he is not smart enough to pull off something like a bluff.

nah I was more thinking about the club. Perhaps they could have kept him on the list till after trade time, perhaps add him as a spicey little extra to a deal if it helped. Especially if they knew that a couple of clubs were testing the waters.

On the rookies, just my opinion

elevate: CJ, geary
Keep on rookie list: attard, VR, eddy
Delist wall

3 (or four if voss retires) picks in the ND
3 picks in the rookie (unless we put maxy on the vets list)

Solar · Post: # 458046Post **Solar** » Mon 17 Sep 2007 4:36pm

fonz_#15 wrote:solar, unless sweeney has one hell of a good manager i doubt this would have happened because he is not smart enough to pull off something like a bluff.

nah I was more thinking about the club. Perhaps they could have kept him on the list till after trade time, perhaps add him as a spicey little extra to a deal if it helped. Especially if they knew that a couple of clubs were testing the waters.

On the rookies, just my opinion

elevate: CJ, geary
Keep on rookie list: attard, VR, eddy
Delist wall

3 (or four if voss retires) picks in the ND
3 picks in the rookie (unless we put maxy on the vets list)

Oh When the Saints · Mon 17 Sep 2007 5:30pm

According to a pretty reliable source, the Saints will elevate three rookies.

Source didn't say who, but confirmed that 3 would be elevated.

Logically it would be Attard, Jones and Geary.

Attard would then be put on the LTI list and another rookie (Eddy) could be elevated in his place.

SaintWodonga · Mon 17 Sep 2007 5:31pm

Oh When the Saints wrote:According to a pretty reliable source, the Saints will elevate three rookies.

Source didn't say who, but confirmed that 3 would be elevated.

Logically it would be Attard, Jones and Geary.

Attard would then be put on the LTI list and another rookie (Eddy) could be elevated in his place.

I hope Jones is not part of the 3. Would Eddy or VR be better?

fonz_#15 · Post: # 458070Post **fonz_#15** » Mon 17 Sep 2007 5:32pm

jones...pfft RL really gets off over this bloke

Oh When the Saints · Mon 17 Sep 2007 5:50pm

BTW, thought Sweeney was a bit stiff, was pretty good in his only game.

The average number of matches played by an AFL player is 10 and the average years on an AFL list is 2.5 ...

Puts things in perspective.

Saints Premiers 2008 · Mon 17 Sep 2007 5:53pm

why would we elevate attard if he isnt going to play all year???

unless we elevate him and immedaitely put him on the lti and seek out who is most worthy out of the rookies to put on the senior list for most of the season

it could be a ploy...because attard could come back towards the end of 2008...

but then again i might be reading into it way too much

mad saint guy · Mon 17 Sep 2007 6:01pm

Saints Premiers 2006 wrote:it could be a ploy...because attard could come back towards the end of 2008...

A half-fit, out of touch Attard surely wouldn't get a game. I don't see any real point in elevating him, because it would just mean we have an extra rookie on the list instead of another senior-listed player. You would expect that a player taken in the 4th round of the National Draft would be more advanced than a player taken in the 4th round of the rookie draft.

The club might have a reason to elevate Attard and then drop him onto the LTIL, but frankly I don't see a lot of point in it unless they want to draft a few 21-22 year old players in the rookie draft and elevate the best one at the start of the season (which I doubt is the case).

Personally I would only elevate Geary, and maybe Eddy if we've got some space on the list. Definitely keep Attard and Van Rheenen on the rookie list, while only retaining Wall if Eddy is promoted. Delist Jones.

Tassie Saint · Mon 17 Sep 2007 6:18pm

Solar wrote:
fonz_#15 wrote:
homework wrote:i would just like to know thats all

they are 2 victorian clubs, that is all i will say
Did the saints know this before the delistment was done?

to be fair, the OP doesn't actually say that they have been 'delisted' as such, just told that their services are no longer required so maybe the club has said they will try to find a trade for Sweeney...

saint66au · Post: # 458113Post **saint66au** » Mon 17 Sep 2007 6:21pm

Actually with no disrepect to anyone, Id love to see a bit more solid evidence than just a SMS from a friend of a friend of a players Dad

Chinese whispers are a shocking thing..I got an SMS after the 06 final saying Banger had retired

Saints Premiers 2008 · Mon 17 Sep 2007 6:43pm

mad saint guy wrote:
Saints Premiers 2006 wrote:it could be a ploy...because attard could come back towards the end of 2008...
A half-fit, out of touch Attard surely wouldn't get a game. I don't see any real point in elevating him, because it would just mean we have an extra rookie on the list instead of another senior-listed player. You would expect that a player taken in the 4th round of the National Draft would be more advanced than a player taken in the 4th round of the rookie draft.

The club might have a reason to elevate Attard and then drop him onto the LTIL, but frankly I don't see a lot of point in it unless they want to draft a few 21-22 year old players in the rookie draft and elevate the best one at the start of the season (which I doubt is the case).

Personally I would only elevate Geary, and maybe Eddy if we've got some space on the list. Definitely keep Attard and Van Rheenen on the rookie list, while only retaining Wall if Eddy is promoted. Delist Jones.

he won't be half fit and if he is close to senior selection he would not be out of touch

didak was able to come back after a reco over summer so there is hope for jay yet

rl could use attard's placement on the lti as an insurance policy if somehow we become crippled with injury much like the hawks game earlier in the year with he and the match committee seeing fit to draft in a specific kind of player for a specific type of job (i.e. a tall back or a runner etc)

there is two sides of the coin however to thie arguement and both are valid

HarveysDeciple · Mon 17 Sep 2007 7:15pm

saint66au wrote: Chinese whispers are a shocking thing..I got an SMS after the 06 final saying Banger had retired

hmmm....would like to lynch the bloke who started that panic

ps, just on attard for a moment, any chance he might be right to play by about round 10 or 12?

Oh When the Saints · Mon 17 Sep 2007 7:19pm

When did he do it? Round 21 wasn't it ...

Lenny was back playing 10 months after he did his.

So Jayden did his in August ... that means he should be back playing by June of 2008, provided there are no complications.

Gives him 6-7 matches with the Scorpions to find some touch at the end of next season, and then a full pre-season under his belt.

Should be firing for 2009.

stinger · Post: # 458159Post **stinger** » Mon 17 Sep 2007 7:23pm

Oh When the Saints wrote:When did he do it? Round 21 wasn't it ...

Lenny was back playing 10 months after he did his.

So Jayden did his in August ... that means he should be back playing by June of 2008, provided there are no complications.

Gives him 6-7 matches with the Scorpions to find some touch at the end of next season, and then a full pre-season under his belt.

Should be firing for 2008.

...will not play in 2008....

Oh When the Saints · Mon 17 Sep 2007 7:25pm

Sorry ... meant '09

stinger · Post: # 458161Post **stinger** » Mon 17 Sep 2007 7:26pm

one of the stand alone victorian clubs in 2008.......geelong or collingwood would love sweeney on their list of vfl top up players......the game is all about kicking more goals than your opposition...and sweeney know how to kick a goal.....

saint66au · Post: # 458166Post **saint66au** » Mon 17 Sep 2007 7:31pm

Have actually been given information that now leaves me in no doubt that the information in the OP is correct.

Thanks to both for their service, to the Saints and the Scorps and best wishes for their future footballing careers.

Remember folks, SweenDog played more AFL football than anyone on this site Id imagine

Unforgiven · Post: # 458169Post **Unforgiven** » Mon 17 Sep 2007 7:33pm

So how does Sweeney go about getting picked up by a VFL team if he wanted to play VFL?

TimeToShineFellas · Mon 17 Sep 2007 8:05pm

Saint Corin wrote:Top 10 in VFL goal kicking 2 years in a row I think.

.........does not necessarily mean anything.

If you judge Sweeney as a fair player based on that, what does that make Nick Sautner?

fonz_#15 · Post: # 458190Post **fonz_#15** » Mon 17 Sep 2007 8:05pm

Saint Corin wrote:So how does Sweeney go about getting picked up by a VFL team if he wanted to play VFL?

as i have said earlier in thius thread, i am aware that 2 other afl clubs are speaking to him, may or may not get picked up. I would like to see him lining up for frankston next year.