Top disposal talles past 5 years.

[B.M]

I’ll be staggered if Sincs doesn’t play HB

He was an AA and B&F there

I’m a fan of playing players in the position where they play their best footy.

That’s why I wasn’t a fan of Battle on the Wing or Marshall forward.

Ryder was great at times, but Marshall’s numbers as a number 1 ruck are far superior.

[Scollop]

I’d rather we try Connolly or Clark at HB, but Clark is hopefully going to impact in the middle.

We need players with elite decision making and elite kicking skills off half back.

That’s why Jeremy Howe and Pendlebury and Nick Daicos play there

That’s why Sincs played there in 2022. I reckon Clark and Sincs are suited to the position.

That’s why Coffield was good at HB (his Disposal Efficiency stats are elite. The link has comparison between Sincs 2022 year and Coff’s career) https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_ ... 1=C&fid2=S

I don’t think we can afford to have Zac Jones in that position. I think he and Gresh still have a role to play at stoppages. Having said that, we do need to get games into our youth. It’s a trade off. Do we keep going with the same set up in the middle of Ross or Crouch, Gresh or Jones, or do we try a different mix?

I’d love to see Owens and Bytel and others getting more opportunities in the middle. 2023 can ONLY be a good year for development if match committee have the courage to provide responsibility and opportunity to some of these guys

[B.M]

They need to earn a spot

We are still trying to win games of footy

Do you think Owens or Bytel are as good as AFL footballers right now than Crouch and Ross?

That’s an average of 53 disposals a week from last season
Crouch 27
Ross 26

Throw in best play Steele

And run with player Windhager and Burst player Jones

Last season we were 8-3 and the only real difference in the midfield was Gresham - who got injured

You need 5 to rotate through the centre square

And because they attend all stoppages the need to be stoppage specialists. But also be able to win footy in general play.

In time
Owens and Phillipou will be important due to their ability to play midfield but also go forward when required

[Vortex]

If Bytel hasn't forced his way into the side by round 3 then put a fork in him.

It's going to be tough, the three players he has to force his way past is Steele, Crouch and Sebby.

I can't see him in any other position on the ground as he's too Dunstan like...slow with an average kick.

[B.M]

Bytel made massive strides last season in the VFL as far as spread goes and is fitter and leaner now!

His hands are elite inside, but you’re right - he is very much an inside mid only

He is unfortunately stuck behind Crouch and Ross

Injury to either though, he is next in imo

Similar player to Worpal imo

[Teflon]

So if HB requires elite disposal and run and assume Hill/DMac maintain wing
Why couldn’t Coffield abs NWM provide drive off HB?
Our glaring lack of class is midfield- outside Steele we fall away badly
Crouch, Steele are inside bulls
We need run and carry and elite ball use into 50
Sinclair is primed
Just cause a player has 1 good year in a position doesn’t mean they play that forever
Abd I’d like Connolly developed then we have genuine options
Hunter Clark - from all training reports hasn’t set time trials on fire…still think he’s better HB option than mid right now…in time be great if he could go in the guts but we’ve been saying that for 5 years….

[Vortex]

So if HB requires elite disposal and run and assume Hill/DMac maintain wing
Why couldn’t Coffield abs NWM provide drive off HB?
Our glaring lack of class is midfield- outside Steele we fall away badly
Crouch, Steele are inside bulls
We need run and carry and elite ball use into 50
Sinclair is primed
Just cause a player has 1 good year in a position doesn’t mean they play that forever
Abd I’d like Connolly developed then we have genuine options
Hunter Clark - from all training reports hasn’t set time trials on fire…still think he’s better HB option than mid right now…in time be great if he could go in the guts but we’ve been saying that for 5 years….

Connolly developed? He's an honest VFL player, what have you seen that makes you think he can be an AFL premiership type?

[B.M]

Connolly is 179 and can’t defend - a priority for a defender

He is a neat kick, but in the BFL last season his decision making was ordinary at times

He is a mile off, I have him rated 3rd last on the list and that includes the newbies!

[Teflon]

So if HB requires elite disposal and run and assume Hill/DMac maintain wing
Why couldn’t Coffield abs NWM provide drive off HB?
Our glaring lack of class is midfield- outside Steele we fall away badly
Crouch, Steele are inside bulls
We need run and carry and elite ball use into 50
Sinclair is primed
Just cause a player has 1 good year in a position doesn’t mean they play that forever
Abd I’d like Connolly developed then we have genuine options
Hunter Clark - from all training reports hasn’t set time trials on fire…still think he’s better HB option than mid right now…in time be great if he could go in the guts but we’ve been saying that for 5 years….

Connolly developed? He's an honest VFL player, what have you seen that makes you think he can be an AFL premiership type?

Same xx as Sharman
The vibe
Troll on!

[Teflon]

Connolly is 179 and can’t defend - a priority for a defender

He is a neat kick, but in the BFL last season his decision making was ordinary at times

He is a mile off, I have him rated 3rd last on the list and that includes the newbies!

So can’t be developed cause that’s what I said??
Can’t wait to hear your plan to cull him then…,
Off fence tine
No more cliches ….

[Vortex]

So if HB requires elite disposal and run and assume Hill/DMac maintain wing
Why couldn’t Coffield abs NWM provide drive off HB?
Our glaring lack of class is midfield- outside Steele we fall away badly
Crouch, Steele are inside bulls
We need run and carry and elite ball use into 50
Sinclair is primed
Just cause a player has 1 good year in a position doesn’t mean they play that forever
Abd I’d like Connolly developed then we have genuine options
Hunter Clark - from all training reports hasn’t set time trials on fire…still think he’s better HB option than mid right now…in time be great if he could go in the guts but we’ve been saying that for 5 years….

Connolly developed? He's an honest VFL player, what have you seen that makes you think he can be an AFL premiership type?

Same xx as Sharman
The vibe
Troll on!

You should use the off season to brush up on the basics of the game, maybe head to your local library and borrow 'Aussie Rules For Dummies'.

But let's have some fun in the meantime....yeah for sure Teffers let's sack Ross, Jones and Webster and replace them with VFL players...you can't learn this stuff at university.

[happy feet]

So if HB requires elite disposal and run and assume Hill/DMac maintain wing
Why couldn’t Coffield abs NWM provide drive off HB?
Our glaring lack of class is midfield- outside Steele we fall away badly
Crouch, Steele are inside bulls
We need run and carry and elite ball use into 50
Sinclair is primed
Just cause a player has 1 good year in a position doesn’t mean they play that forever
Abd I’d like Connolly developed then we have genuine options
Hunter Clark - from all training reports hasn’t set time trials on fire…still think he’s better HB option than mid right now…in time be great if he could go in the guts but we’ve been saying that for 5 years….

Connolly developed? He's an honest VFL player, what have you seen that makes you think he can be an AFL premiership type?

Same xx as Sharman
The vibe
Troll on!

You should use the off season to brush up on the basics of the game, maybe head to your local library and borrow 'Aussie Rules For Dummies'.

But let's have some fun in the meantime....yeah for sure Teffers let's sack Ross, Jones and Webster and replace them with VFL players...you can't learn this stuff at university.

Vortex, you should practice what you preach.

[Vortex]

So if HB requires elite disposal and run and assume Hill/DMac maintain wing
Why couldn’t Coffield abs NWM provide drive off HB?
Our glaring lack of class is midfield- outside Steele we fall away badly
Crouch, Steele are inside bulls
We need run and carry and elite ball use into 50
Sinclair is primed
Just cause a player has 1 good year in a position doesn’t mean they play that forever
Abd I’d like Connolly developed then we have genuine options
Hunter Clark - from all training reports hasn’t set time trials on fire…still think he’s better HB option than mid right now…in time be great if he could go in the guts but we’ve been saying that for 5 years….

Connolly developed? He's an honest VFL player, what have you seen that makes you think he can be an AFL premiership type?

Same xx as Sharman
The vibe
Troll on!

You should use the off season to brush up on the basics of the game, maybe head to your local library and borrow 'Aussie Rules For Dummies'.

But let's have some fun in the meantime....yeah for sure Teffers let's sack Ross, Jones and Webster and replace them with VFL players...you can't learn this stuff at university.

Vortex, you should practice what you preach.

So you think Sebby, Jones and Webster should be replaced with VFL players?

[D.B.Cooper]

Question without any idea or agenda. What player or players have Ross not given opportunity to have gone on to make him look like a one dimensional, only gun players, fool?

I am asking from a development perspective. We know about Luke Ball but there are (allegedly) two sides to that bitter coin & he's hardly a development faux pas.

I get a sense that for a young player, you really have to earn your spot, if you are not willing to do more than a senior player then you are marking time. Very much a Paul Roos philosophy...right or wrong. They want young players to challenge senior players, to hunt senior players.

If there are none then that is at the feet of the "cobblers" isn't it?

Tom Lynch springs to mind Ghost.

Couldn’t get a run and was traded out enjoying a fine career at Adelaide.

I’ve read similar on here about Cripps but it is incorrect, as Cripps played something like 13 or 14 games in his 2nd season at the club before going to his home state.

Players like McEvoy, Stanley, Steven & Armitage probably could have played earlier but long term effect was negligible career wise IMO.

[D.B.Cooper]

Starting midfield 5 this season imo

Steele
Crouch
Windhager
Ross (ic)
Jones (ic)

Wings
McKenzie
Hill
Wood (ic)

Able to go into the midfield from other spots

Billings from HF to Wing
Sinclair from HB to Mid/Wing
Clark from HB to Mid/Wing
Gresham from Small Forward to Mid

Depth
Owens
Phillipou
Bytel
Byrnes

This highlights we really lack quality midfield depth.

Jones would not be a top 5 mid in any other club in the competition.

I think Owens might be a starting 22 forward/ mid in 2023 and I’d expect NWM to play similar games to 2022 (15-20?)

Yep Jones better step up or his borderline not making the side if some of these kids step up..
Ross has already been pushed out of the midfield under Ratten on numerous occasions
Look for Sinclair to come in as Joey M flagged - best round the ball it’s his next evolution to greatness
Jones could play HB
I also think Owens will get a run not far behind Windhager
Ross will go out
That midfield Martin has put up is treacle slow/1 paced lacks class that Sincs will bring

Jones will take Hills spot off the half back.

Can’t see it, too much of a butcher for half back, most coaches looking for elite foot skills at half back IMO.

I could see him as a pressure forward.

Sinclair, Billings, Clark off half back for mine.

[Teflon]

So if HB requires elite disposal and run and assume Hill/DMac maintain wing
Why couldn’t Coffield abs NWM provide drive off HB?
Our glaring lack of class is midfield- outside Steele we fall away badly
Crouch, Steele are inside bulls
We need run and carry and elite ball use into 50
Sinclair is primed
Just cause a player has 1 good year in a position doesn’t mean they play that forever
Abd I’d like Connolly developed then we have genuine options
Hunter Clark - from all training reports hasn’t set time trials on fire…still think he’s better HB option than mid right now…in time be great if he could go in the guts but we’ve been saying that for 5 years….

Connolly developed? He's an honest VFL player, what have you seen that makes you think he can be an AFL premiership type?

Same xx as Sharman
The vibe
Troll on!

You should use the off season to brush up on the basics of the game, maybe head to your local library and borrow 'Aussie Rules For Dummies'.

But let's have some fun in the meantime....yeah for sure Teffers let's sack Ross, Jones and Webster and replace them with VFL players...you can't learn this stuff at university.

Vortex, you should practice what you preach.

So you think Sebby, Jones and Webster should be replaced with VFL players?

I do think incessant trolling needs to be replaced….
At least put up a thought ffs instead of just parroting on others threads ….
You gotta be able to read to get to Uni and I suspect that’s lost in you
Troll on!!

[Teflon]

Starting midfield 5 this season imo

Steele
Crouch
Windhager
Ross (ic)
Jones (ic)

Wings
McKenzie
Hill
Wood (ic)

Able to go into the midfield from other spots

Billings from HF to Wing
Sinclair from HB to Mid/Wing
Clark from HB to Mid/Wing
Gresham from Small Forward to Mid

Depth
Owens
Phillipou
Bytel
Byrnes

This highlights we really lack quality midfield depth.

Jones would not be a top 5 mid in any other club in the competition.

I think Owens might be a starting 22 forward/ mid in 2023 and I’d expect NWM to play similar games to 2022 (15-20?)

Yep Jones better step up or his borderline not making the side if some of these kids step up..
Ross has already been pushed out of the midfield under Ratten on numerous occasions
Look for Sinclair to come in as Joey M flagged - best round the ball it’s his next evolution to greatness
Jones could play HB
I also think Owens will get a run not far behind Windhager
Ross will go out
That midfield Martin has put up is treacle slow/1 paced lacks class that Sincs will bring

Jones will take Hills spot off the half back.

Can’t see it, too much of a butcher for half back, most coaches looking for elite foot skills at half back IMO.

I could see him as a pressure forward.

Sinclair, Billings, Clark off half back for mine.

NWM been impressive off HB in pre season work so far.

[Teflon]

I’ll be staggered if Sincs doesn’t play HB

He was an AA and B&F there

I’m a fan of playing players in the position where they play their best footy.

That’s why I wasn’t a fan of Battle on the Wing or Marshall forward.

Ryder was great at times, but Marshall’s numbers as a number 1 ruck are far superior.

Here’s a little snippet from pre season….not sure if Ross ran it past you first….

BF

Has Nas been training at hbf? thought Ross might use him on a hff

He’s been super impressive in match sim coming out of defence with his dash and foot skills…Sinclair doing a lot with the mids!
Wood & Sharman up forward.

[Teflon]

I though MO summed it up well as to why you move a Sinclair to midfield

BF

You don't have 3 clearance players at centre stoppages, Sincs playing mid and delivering the ball into the forwards makes us better . We need something different as we are to similar in the Midfield with Steele - Crouch - Ross thats our weakness. Sincs -Gresh - Jones are different. Windy & Owens are 2nd year players what ever they do is a bonus

[Ghost Like]

Question without any idea or agenda. What player or players have Ross not given opportunity to have gone on to make him look like a one dimensional, only gun players, fool?

I am asking from a development perspective. We know about Luke Ball but there are (allegedly) two sides to that bitter coin & he's hardly a development faux pas.

I get a sense that for a young player, you really have to earn your spot, if you are not willing to do more than a senior player then you are marking time. Very much a Paul Roos philosophy...right or wrong. They want young players to challenge senior players, to hunt senior players.

If there are none then that is at the feet of the "cobblers" isn't it?

Tom Lynch springs to mind Ghost.

Couldn’t get a run and was traded out enjoying a fine career at Adelaide.

I’ve read similar on here about Cripps but it is incorrect, as Cripps played something like 13 or 14 games in his 2nd season at the club before going to his home state.

Players like McEvoy, Stanley, Steven & Armitage probably could have played earlier but long term effect was negligible career wise IMO.

Fair call on Lynch D.B., he's a possible but was traded, requested a trade after Lyon left (same summer). I think all of them developed as per their abilities.

McEvoy - young ruck, traded after Lyon left. Was not going to bump Gardiner or King from their roles.
Stanley - probably moved too much in terms of nailing a position to settle at the Saints. Another who found the will to become a better AFL player at another club. Also moved on post Lyon.
Armitage - admitted himself that he played up too much in his early years.
Steven - certainly a talent that should have played more earlier.

Looking forward to seeing how NWM, Owens, Windhager, Peris, Philipou, Van Es, Keeler, Hotton are managed, developed under 2.0

[Vortex]

I though MO summed it up well as to why you move a Sinclair to midfield

BF

You don't have 3 clearance players at centre stoppages, Sincs playing mid and delivering the ball into the forwards makes us better . We need something different as we are to similar in the Midfield with Steele - Crouch - Ross thats our weakness. Sincs -Gresh - Jones are different. Windy & Owens are 2nd year players what ever they do is a bonus

Sebby was quite good on the outside in the first half of 22, was given licence to run and carry and was instrumental in many of our better wins. Why can't Lyon touch him with his wand and improve him to become more outside?

[Vortex]

Starting midfield 5 this season imo

Steele
Crouch
Windhager
Ross (ic)
Jones (ic)

Wings
McKenzie
Hill
Wood (ic)

Able to go into the midfield from other spots

Billings from HF to Wing
Sinclair from HB to Mid/Wing
Clark from HB to Mid/Wing
Gresham from Small Forward to Mid

Depth
Owens
Phillipou
Bytel
Byrnes

This highlights we really lack quality midfield depth.

Jones would not be a top 5 mid in any other club in the competition.

I think Owens might be a starting 22 forward/ mid in 2023 and I’d expect NWM to play similar games to 2022 (15-20?)

Yep Jones better step up or his borderline not making the side if some of these kids step up..
Ross has already been pushed out of the midfield under Ratten on numerous occasions
Look for Sinclair to come in as Joey M flagged - best round the ball it’s his next evolution to greatness
Jones could play HB
I also think Owens will get a run not far behind Windhager
Ross will go out
That midfield Martin has put up is treacle slow/1 paced lacks class that Sincs will bring

Jones will take Hills spot off the half back.

Can’t see it, too much of a butcher for half back, most coaches looking for elite foot skills at half back IMO.

I could see him as a pressure forward.

Sinclair, Billings, Clark off half back for mine.

Yeah he's not the best use of the ball by foot, but he's been more of a defender/mid and can extract and carry off HB quite well.

Billings is too much of a receiver to be risked in the backline I reckon.

[skeptic]

I don’t think Jones or Billings will factor too much into the equation anywhere IMO.

Neither player seems capable of getting to peak fitness let alone playing at full fitness for more than 3 games without an injury.
I rate both, Jones in particular, but there’s just always something that seems to be stopping them from posting at the standard they should be

[B.M]

You don’t have 3 players in the midfield either

You have 5 + 1 (hhf)

[Vortex]

I don’t think Jones or Billings will factor too much into the equation anywhere IMO.

Neither player seems capable of getting to peak fitness let alone playing at full fitness for more than 3 games without an injury.
I rate both, Jones in particular, but there’s just always something that seems to be stopping them from posting at the standard they should be

I think Jones has offered more to the Swans and our team in the past in terms of being a hunter of the ball and just general intensity at the contest and willingness to create play, whereas Billings has frustrated with his laconic approach to play which is probably best categorised as being the "finisher".

One of the many jucy sub plots of 23 will be which players will be on the outer with RL and not be spell bound by his magic wand, Billings is my pick to be number one on that list, would be great for him to prove otherwise but he's on his 4th AFL coach now and what is it, his 9th season?

Jones I think is more mungrel and fighter so the magic wand could kiss him sweetly on that bald nut of his....who knows.

Any other guesses of which players that won't make the class of Ross 2023?