How far can the saints go?
Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 23011
- Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 3:53pm
- Has thanked: 8909 times
- Been thanked: 3883 times
- skeptic
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 16893
- Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 7:10pm
- Has thanked: 3583 times
- Been thanked: 2852 times
Re: How far can the saints go?
No argument there but they’re not midfielders either otherwise why even have rucks...
They need to have sized based influence
That’s why the Ryder / Marshall combo worked well in 2020... Ryder was competitive in the centre (better than Roman) whilst Marshall had good influence around the ground and up forward
You need both qualities rather than just one or the other
- magnifisaint
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 7939
- Joined: Sun 02 May 2004 2:52am
- Has thanked: 216 times
- Been thanked: 578 times
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 12078
- Joined: Thu 04 Jul 2019 8:53pm
- Has thanked: 5 times
- Been thanked: 2605 times
Re: How far can the saints go?
Don’t ruckmen play in the ‘mid’ field. They are not forwards or backs.
Arguably they are the most important mid as they are the KPP in the middle of the ground. As they get first hand on the ball at stoppage. They are also often used as the down the line target or play a kick behind.
I rated Marshall’s 2019 as the most dominant ruck season since Spider in 2001
Arguably they are the most important mid as they are the KPP in the middle of the ground. As they get first hand on the ball at stoppage. They are also often used as the down the line target or play a kick behind.
I rated Marshall’s 2019 as the most dominant ruck season since Spider in 2001
- shanegrambeau
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 5961
- Joined: Thu 25 Jan 2018 2:15pm
- Has thanked: 327 times
- Been thanked: 710 times
Re: How far can the saints go?
Dylan R...saynta wrote: ↑Thu 14 Jan 2021 10:53am Worth the read
https://www.saints.com.au/news/848814/- ... 2020-taste
Edit
I wrote about suspecting he was in trouble BEFORE seeing the thread dedicated to it and presser....
So it says it all...
You're quite brilliant Shane, yeah..terrific!
- skeptic
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 16893
- Joined: Wed 10 Mar 2004 7:10pm
- Has thanked: 3583 times
- Been thanked: 2852 times
Re: How far can the saints go?
I don’t really understand what you’re arguing here... you keep arguing the point that ruckman need to get possessions and I’m not disputing that.B.M wrote: ↑Thu 14 Jan 2021 1:40pm Don’t ruckmen play in the ‘mid’ field. They are not forwards or backs.
Arguably they are the most important mid as they are the KPP in the middle of the ground. As they get first hand on the ball at stoppage. They are also often used as the down the line target or play a kick behind.
I rated Marshall’s 2019 as the most dominant ruck season since Spider in 2001
The point I’m making however is that they also need to be good in the middle... at the centre hit outs. You use Spider as an example of a very dominant ruck... absolutely he was. In addition to getting kicks around the ground and being a super dangerous forward... he was a very good tap/centre ruck.
The prominent feature of Marshall’s game is that he is very good around the ground.
He covers a lot of distance, gets to contests and takes contested marks... he’s not however as strong in the middle and to this point in his career he has been known to be prone to letting ruck jump all over him at times especially as the game gets on. As such he’s less suited to the hit out and more around the ground.
Alternatively, Ryder is much much better in the middle but tends not to have as much influence around the ground albeit he was starting to look like a dangerous pinch forward late 2020.
The metres gained in hit outs or the ability to either get/negate advantage to the mids is important... it’s not critical by any means but it’s important and we have a nice balance at the moment
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 12078
- Joined: Thu 04 Jul 2019 8:53pm
- Has thanked: 5 times
- Been thanked: 2605 times
Re: How far can the saints go?
Not arguing anything
Other than stating Rowan is a quality ruckman, as shown in 2019 when he played there.
His 2020 was not as good, because he only played 50% of the time in the ruck
As a forward, he is only handy
Ryder was also good in the ruck, especially in the hit out dept. didn’t win a lot of footy around the ground.
There can only be one ruck at a time though, and if Rowan or Paddy aren’t rucking, they are less effective.
It would be like having two gun FF’s and them having to share time in the goal square. One might have to play out of position to accommodate the other.
Other than stating Rowan is a quality ruckman, as shown in 2019 when he played there.
His 2020 was not as good, because he only played 50% of the time in the ruck
As a forward, he is only handy
Ryder was also good in the ruck, especially in the hit out dept. didn’t win a lot of footy around the ground.
There can only be one ruck at a time though, and if Rowan or Paddy aren’t rucking, they are less effective.
It would be like having two gun FF’s and them having to share time in the goal square. One might have to play out of position to accommodate the other.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 6418
- Joined: Fri 18 Sep 2020 6:51am
- Has thanked: 855 times
- Been thanked: 1013 times
Re: How far can the saints go?
It is true a ruckman gets first hand to the ball at ball ups and/or boundary throw ins however it is only one hand mostly and as we know two hands are better than one and so a ruckman could never be considered the most important midfielder on the ground.
I think RoMo has designs on becoming an elite ruckman so he has time to work on his tap work.
I think RoMo has designs on becoming an elite ruckman so he has time to work on his tap work.
- SaintPav
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 18839
- Joined: Wed 16 Jun 2010 9:24pm
- Location: Alma Road
- Has thanked: 1568 times
- Been thanked: 1962 times
Re: How far can the saints go?
Marshall must be learning heaps off Ryder.
Masterstroke recruiting decision!
Masterstroke recruiting decision!
Holder of unacceptable views and other thought crimes.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 12078
- Joined: Thu 04 Jul 2019 8:53pm
- Has thanked: 5 times
- Been thanked: 2605 times
Re: How far can the saints go?
He has also had two ruckmen as coaches
Brendon Lade and Adam Skrobalak
But at the end of the day, the player has to be good enough.
Marshall will be one of the better ruckmen in the AFL from 2022
Brendon Lade and Adam Skrobalak
But at the end of the day, the player has to be good enough.
Marshall will be one of the better ruckmen in the AFL from 2022