Rowan Marshall #1 ranked player in AFL since rnd 11

[magnifisaint]

He (Marshall) needs another tall player to help out around the ground. What we lack is another tall to contest when we frequently bomb the ball out of defence. Note the Lions game, Martin and Oscar had a very good second half, with Marshall under pressure competing with them. We look slow and disorganised when chipping the ball around and end up coughing the pill up. Marshall can't be expected to carry the rucking duties for four quarters. We send Bruce or Acres into the ruck and lose our only tall forward as a consequence and Bruce isn't a ruck mans boot lace. Marshall has performed very well considering he is one out against our higher ranked opponents.

Perhaps why we are looking at Goldstein or Draper, if indeed those rumours are true.

Stupid coaching!

[The_Dud]

Classic example of a very positive story and post getting derailed with utter BS.

Next thing you know Richo will crop up about something he apparently did wrong regarding Marshall...oh wait.

Next in line...Jack Newnes.

Then Lethers....

Gallagher...

The boot studder...

The janitor...

Remember when Richo had Marshall as the third in line Ruckman round 1?

Imagine if a new coach came in with fresh eyes and tried some stale players in new roles or harnessed someone running around in the 2s better and we get some more Marshall-like results?

Richo has be shown to be extremely stubborn, so this is one of the positives I’m looking forward to when he finally goes.

Oh please, give the Richo nonsense stuff up. Broken record time...again...and again.

Marshall had barely played for us before this year. In a twist of fate, Hickey going and Longer and Pearce being injured thrust Marshall into the no 1 role. Thank god in some ways as we now have a no 1 ruck that will be as good as anyone in the comp!!

Marshall was third in line at the start of the year because based on form before that, he WAS third in line.

Exactly and he was a kid that had barely played. He was seen by everyone as more of a forward/ruck and a decent long term prospect. Thank god he stepped up. We have found a new no 1.

Wouldn’t it be nice to have people in charge who could identify and play talent before its forced on them or is made obvious to every idiot?

Constantly playing ordinary players like Newnes, Kent, Longer, Mav etc. over young potential talents is the hallmark of Richo’s coaching career.

Please tell me how many games Marshall would have replayed this year if Longer and Pierce were fully fit round 1?

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

Stupid q because we would never know. But, I have a very strong feeling that Marshall would have dominated at Sandy and would have been in the seniors pretty quickly. Even if Longer and Pearce were fit.

Geez, you talk crap Dudley. But of course you know much more than a ex star and ruckman of the game in Lade and proven assistant coach. You should apply for his position.

[Scollop]

Stupid q because we would never know. But, I have a very strong feeling that Marshall would have dominated at Sandy and would have been in the seniors pretty quickly. Even if Longer and Pearce were fit.

White was best on ground several times and we have injuries to the main group of defenders that Cho played in the backline, and yet White didn't get a look in.

I love this line from you in your previous post about Marshall being thrust into the No 1 ruck role ; " In a twist of fate"....hahahaha

Richo has been great for this group and there could be more strange twists of fate and he could develop a dozen All Australians and we could win multiple premierships under him...LOL

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

And? Nothing you wrote makes any sense.

Another positive OP that has nothing to do with Richo getting derailed...once again.

Heroes!

[skeptic]

Stupid q because we would never know. But, I have a very strong feeling that Marshall would have dominated at Sandy and would have been in the seniors pretty quickly. Even if Longer and Pearce were fit.

White was best on ground several times and we have injuries to the main group of defenders that Cho played in the backline, and yet White didn't get a look in.

I love this line from you in your previous post about Marshall being thrust into the No 1 ruck role ; " In a twist of fate"....hahahaha

Richo has been great for this group and there could be more strange twists of fate and he could develop a dozen All Australians and we could win multiple premierships under him...LOL

The reality is that Lewis Pierce couldn't get a look in ahead of Hickey and Longer for 5 years
When all 4 were fit, Hickey and Longer were the clear preferences regardless of form
Longer was selected to play several times ahead of Marshall and Pierce last year when he was hampered by injury
Pierce and Marshall only got games as rucks when Hickey and Longer were injured
At the start of this season, Pierce was no1 choice
Every bit of data we have suggests that if fit Longer would have been selected first... given Richo's preference for a tap winner and selecting an Acres/Bruce to win possession around the ground, it's very hard to rationally deduce that given Marshall's strength is not his tap work, that he would get a game ahead of Longer if the opportunity wasn't provided for him to end the debate which he did. But I guess we'll never know

One thing that is for certain state of our rucks currently speak for themselves... end of the season we have to completely re-jig our stocks with the view of building around Marshall (not Longer). IMO Billy should be out and we should get a ready made back up like a Goldstein to both help teach Marshall and be ready to play in case of injury. We pbly need a new rookie/project ruck to replace Pierce who simply looks like he won't make it... and we pbly need a developing key position ruck (eg. forward/defender ruck) to add a degree of flexibility.

[Enrico_Misso]

Rowan is a gem!

Please tell me he is on a long term contract - please!

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

Yep, Big Roma is signed up. Pretty sure until the end of 2022 but I might be wrong. This guy is our next AA ruck. Our no 1 for a very long time.

Along with Billings, Gresh and a host of others that have signed. The club has done well re-sisigning all our young talent the past few years. Basically since around the time Richo became coach and we have drafted all these kids.

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-20 ... 269b6d3bca
Here it is.

Reading this article too, geez the Saints really got this rookie selection right and helped develop him into what he is today. Well done. Richo and the ruck coaches need to take credit here for what he will become and already has become. Excellent.

[The Fireman]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-20 ... 269b6d3bca
Here it is.

Reading this article too, geez the Saints really got this rookie selection right and helped develop him into what he is today. Well done. Richo and the ruck coaches need to take credit here for what he will become and already has become. Excellent.

ok I know you are trolling but please let us all know how much credit we should give Richo for the last 5 years ? Everyone is just hoping he doesn't reverse Romas talent which seems to have happened to others.

Actually I may report you for trolling

[Scollop]

And? Nothing you wrote makes any sense.

Another positive OP that has nothing to do with Richo getting derailed...once again.

Heroes!

I'll spell it out for you. According to you, Marshall got lucky due to a 'twist of fate'. You are agreeing with posters who are highlighting that it is more evidence that Richo won't get the best of his list because he doesn't pick the right players in the first place. That is not something he can hide from.

You made a claim that implied any good player who is performing at Sandy will be chosen to play seniors if they are consistently playing well...That is not true when you look at how Cho treats some players like Brandon White. Once again, that could be a sign of favouritism which is not in the best interests of the team.

White was BOG several times and he was not getting a game for half the season and then as soon as he's fit enough after the minor strain in the China game, Cho still sends him back to Sandy.

Cho clearly chose Lewi ahead of Roma. Alarm bells right there if it takes 'a twist of fate' to make him change his mind. The other baffling thing is that Hickey was ostracised by Richo since early 2017 and it is one of the reasons that we lost him. Cho chose Billy ahead of Tom. Billy couldn't crack a senior gig with us even when he was fit earlier this year, while Tom is likely to playing finals with last years premiers.

We won't get success accidently or by a twist of fate. It only comes if your coach is competent in his role. How can we have faith in a coach who relies on twists of fate and doesn't have the acumen to recognise talent and give the talented players opportunities to play seniors?

[Shaggy]

Stupid q because we would never know. But, I have a very strong feeling that Marshall would have dominated at Sandy and would have been in the seniors pretty quickly. Even if Longer and Pearce were fit.

White was best on ground several times and we have injuries to the main group of defenders that Cho played in the backline, and yet White didn't get a look in.

I love this line from you in your previous post about Marshall being thrust into the No 1 ruck role ; " In a twist of fate"....hahahaha

Richo has been great for this group and there could be more strange twists of fate and he could develop a dozen All Australians and we could win multiple premierships under him...LOL

The reality is that Lewis Pierce couldn't get a look in ahead of Hickey and Longer for 5 years
When all 4 were fit, Hickey and Longer were the clear preferences regardless of form
Longer was selected to play several times ahead of Marshall and Pierce last year when he was hampered by injury
Pierce and Marshall only got games as rucks when Hickey and Longer were injured
At the start of this season, Pierce was no1 choice
Every bit of data we have suggests that if fit Longer would have been selected first... given Richo's preference for a tap winner and selecting an Acres/Bruce to win possession around the ground, it's very hard to rationally deduce that given Marshall's strength is not his tap work, that he would get a game ahead of Longer if the opportunity wasn't provided for him to end the debate which he did. But I guess we'll never know

One thing that is for certain state of our rucks currently speak for themselves... end of the season we have to completely re-jig our stocks with the view of building around Marshall (not Longer). IMO Billy should be out and we should get a ready made back up like a Goldstein to both help teach Marshall and be ready to play in case of injury. We pbly need a new rookie/project ruck to replace Pierce who simply looks like he won't make it... and we pbly need a developing key position ruck (eg. forward/defender ruck) to add a degree of flexibility.

The op title says it all: "Rowan Marshall #1 ranked player in AFL since rnd 11" ... ruck is the best it has been for many years.

Lewis Pierce, who has been written off by some, is the only player other than Grundy to beat Marshall in the ruck this year. Unfortunately he has been injured since.

Both Marshall and Pierce had overtaken Hickey by the end of last year IMO.

I think Longer is also better than Hickey but it doesn't matter - he is backup. Our ruck stocks are so much better than before.

Moving Hickey on was a game changer as far as our rucks go.

Pierce attributes his dramatic improvement last year to being the No. 1 ruckman at Frankston rather than playing a compromised role as a ruck/key forward behind either Billy Longer or Tom Hickey at Sandy. Same could be said for Marshall this year in the seniors.

According to a Marshall interview he was told pre-season to baulk up because this year he would be spending alot more time in the ruck. His days as a support ruck were over. Marshall needs support but the player needs to play another position on the ground because we want Marshall rucking 75% of the match. I think it will be Carlisle when he gets fit and in the future King when he is ready. Hickey was lucky last year because he had Marshall as his support.

The big question mark about our ruck stocks is whether Pierce will recover. It is a genuine concern he has been out for 4 months with concussion.

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-20 ... 269b6d3bca
Here it is.

Reading this article too, geez the Saints really got this rookie selection right and helped develop him into what he is today. Well done. Richo and the ruck coaches need to take credit here for what he will become and already has become. Excellent.

ok I know you are trolling but please let us all know how much credit we should give Richo for the last 5 years ? Everyone is just hoping he doesn't reverse Romas talent which seems to have happened to others.

Actually I may report you for trolling

Trolling for what?
Because I think Richo, the coaches and club have done a good job in developing a lanky kid from Nth Ballarat into the AFL player he is now?
Lololol!!!! The proof is there.
Same as Billings, Gresh, Membrey, etc.

Actually, I may report you for stalking!

[bigcarl]

Very happy with Marshall. I said during pre-season he would prove to be our No.1 ruckman. It was clear from watching him last season that he had the talent to make it.

He and Battle are the big success stories of the season.

Now we need a few others who have talent - lazy Acres for example - to step up and really make a name for themselves.

Gresham, Billings are others who have ability in abundance but need to find consistency of performance. Under the right guidance they will

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

And? Nothing you wrote makes any sense.

Another positive OP that has nothing to do with Richo getting derailed...once again.

Heroes!

I'll spell it out for you. According to you, Marshall got lucky due to a 'twist of fate'. You are agreeing with posters who are highlighting that it is more evidence that Richo won't get the best of his list because he doesn't pick the right players in the first place. That is not something he can hide from.

You made a claim that implied any good player who is performing at Sandy will be chosen to play seniors if they are consistently playing well...That is not true when you look at how Cho treats some players like Brandon White. Once again, that could be a sign of favouritism which is not in the best interests of the team.

White was BOG several times and he was not getting a game for half the season and then as soon as he's fit enough after the minor strain in the China game, Cho still sends him back to Sandy.

Cho clearly chose Lewi ahead of Roma. Alarm bells right there if it takes 'a twist of fate' to make him change his mind. The other baffling thing is that Hickey was ostracised by Richo since early 2017 and it is one of the reasons that we lost him. Cho chose Billy ahead of Tom. Billy couldn't crack a senior gig with us even when he was fit earlier this year, while Tom is likely to playing finals with last years premiers.

We won't get success accidently or by a twist of fate. It only comes if your coach is competent in his role. How can we have faith in a coach who relies on twists of fate and doesn't have the acumen to recognise talent and give the talented players opportunities to play seniors?

Waffle, waffle, waffle and don't put words into my mouth chap. You say a lot but provide little substance.

I explained my piece already.

[skeptic]

Stupid q because we would never know. But, I have a very strong feeling that Marshall would have dominated at Sandy and would have been in the seniors pretty quickly. Even if Longer and Pearce were fit.

White was best on ground several times and we have injuries to the main group of defenders that Cho played in the backline, and yet White didn't get a look in.

I love this line from you in your previous post about Marshall being thrust into the No 1 ruck role ; " In a twist of fate"....hahahaha

Richo has been great for this group and there could be more strange twists of fate and he could develop a dozen All Australians and we could win multiple premierships under him...LOL

The reality is that Lewis Pierce couldn't get a look in ahead of Hickey and Longer for 5 years
When all 4 were fit, Hickey and Longer were the clear preferences regardless of form
Longer was selected to play several times ahead of Marshall and Pierce last year when he was hampered by injury
Pierce and Marshall only got games as rucks when Hickey and Longer were injured
At the start of this season, Pierce was no1 choice
Every bit of data we have suggests that if fit Longer would have been selected first... given Richo's preference for a tap winner and selecting an Acres/Bruce to win possession around the ground, it's very hard to rationally deduce that given Marshall's strength is not his tap work, that he would get a game ahead of Longer if the opportunity wasn't provided for him to end the debate which he did. But I guess we'll never know

One thing that is for certain state of our rucks currently speak for themselves... end of the season we have to completely re-jig our stocks with the view of building around Marshall (not Longer). IMO Billy should be out and we should get a ready made back up like a Goldstein to both help teach Marshall and be ready to play in case of injury. We pbly need a new rookie/project ruck to replace Pierce who simply looks like he won't make it... and we pbly need a developing key position ruck (eg. forward/defender ruck) to add a degree of flexibility.

The op title says it all: "Rowan Marshall #1 ranked player in AFL since rnd 11" ... ruck is the best it has been for many years.

Lewis Pierce, who has been written off by some, is the only player other than Grundy to beat Marshall in the ruck this year. Unfortunately he has been injured since.

Both Marshall and Pierce had overtaken Hickey by the end of last year IMO.

I think Longer is also better than Hickey but it doesn't matter - he is backup. Our ruck stocks are so much better than before.

Moving Hickey on was a game changer as far as our rucks go.

Pierce attributes his dramatic improvement last year to being the No. 1 ruckman at Frankston rather than playing a compromised role as a ruck/key forward behind either Billy Longer or Tom Hickey at Sandy. Same could be said for Marshall this year in the seniors.

According to a Marshall interview he was told pre-season to baulk up because this year he would be spending alot more time in the ruck. His days as a support ruck were over. Marshall needs support but the player needs to play another position on the ground because we want Marshall rucking 75% of the match. I think it will be Carlisle when he gets fit and in the future King when he is ready. Hickey was lucky last year because he had Marshall as his support.

The big question mark about our ruck stocks is whether Pierce will recover. It is a genuine concern he has been out for 4 months with concussion.

Just to clarify, what do you mean Pierce beat Marshall? Do you mean in the lead up to selection to rd1?

It's a shame we haven't seen more of Pierce over the last 5 years. I was encouraged by how he finished last year off and it's a shame injury has derailed his 2019... didn't start super flash though. I'll watch with interest if he stays on the list. My hope is that he does but he's never really looked to be in favor IMO. One game over 3-4 years and then a stint after almost every other ruck went down.
Personally I would pull the trigger on Longer... especially if we get a guy like Goldstein as back up.

You are correct on Marshall, best ruck we've had in years and like you I agree that he needs a degree of help as we've discussed. The proposal you're suggesting of it being a KPP pinch hitting is a good one but not one that we could accommodate this year. Quite literally with Pierce going down, Billy was the only other option we had. Marshall has performed very well but he has had a few games where he's been worn down and climbed all over, Melbourne one comes to mind... I'd liked to have protected him from that but it doesn't appear to have had any ill impact on him.

[The Fireman]

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-20 ... 269b6d3bca
Here it is.

Reading this article too, geez the Saints really got this rookie selection right and helped develop him into what he is today. Well done. Richo and the ruck coaches need to take credit here for what he will become and already has become. Excellent.

ok I know you are trolling but please let us all know how much credit we should give Richo for the last 5 years ? Everyone is just hoping he doesn't reverse Romas talent which seems to have happened to others.

Actually I may report you for trolling

Trolling for what?
Because I think Richo, the coaches and club have done a good job in developing a lanky kid from Nth Ballarat into the AFL player he is now?
Lololol!!!! The proof is there.
Same as Billings, Gresh, Membrey, etc.

Actually, I may report you for stalking!

you only need another weeks holiday and gone for good (albeit back to troll under another nic ) that in itself speaks volumes.

Everyone is aware the development of our players has been sub standard so please take another holiday.

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

Everyone? Lol. Conduct a thorough and in depth survey did you?

Ah Firey...you need to take a break mate and have a stubby. Enjoy life. Contribute to the forum. Don't stress about what I do. At least I now understand your intentions as to why you stalk me on here. Ta.

[The Fireman]

Everyone? Lol. Conduct a thorough and in depth survey did you?

Ah Firey...you need to take a break mate and have a stubby. Enjoy life. Contribute to the forum. Don't stress about what I do. At least I now understand your intentions as to why you stalk me on here. Ta.

Have to admit I probably do need a break , my beloved club is crumbling under the present coach and does depress me to a certain extent and the rubbish that is posted on this forum from so called fellow supporters
certainly doesn't help.
I'm glad you understand my intentions and like most on here hope you do the right thing and desist.
Thanks.

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

Nope.

[The Fireman]

Nope.

well hope the mods do the right thing.

[tedtheodorelogan2018]

Lol

[Jacks Back]

Marshall didn't play JLT 1 where Pearce played and got concussed.

In JLT 2 Marshall's stats were:

Rowan Marshall 18 disp, 5 marks, 37 hitouts, 6 tackles, 111 fantasy points (the highest for us).

Yet in round one Pearce was back in and amassed 47 fantasy points (ranked 19th best for us).
Round 2 and Marshall gets back in and has 93 fantasy points (ranked 5th best for us).

I wonder what would happen to 8cres if Ross was out for 2-3 weeks?

[Scollop]

Marshall didn't play JLT 1 where Pearce played and got concussed.

In JLT 2 Marshall's stats were:

Rowan Marshall 18 disp, 5 marks, 37 hitouts, 6 tackles, 111 fantasy points (the highest for us).

Yet in round one Pearce was back in and amassed 47 fantasy points (ranked 19th best for us).
Round 2 and Marshall gets back in and has 93 fantasy points (ranked 5th best for us).

I wonder what would happen to 8cres if Ross was out for 2-3 weeks?

Heretic. Negative nelly. Non believer.

Only the true supporters understand Ross's value plus that bloke called Dinny on afl.com

Obviously you are not a true supporter

[ace]

A shining light in a dark swamp.

Can you see the light from your lounge room or kitchen?

At night the roof top solar cells don't work too good but I do know it is fact that the St Kilda triangle site was once a swamp.