We are a classic under-performing club. I believe we have talent that is not being fully developed, and a coach who has been too timid to drop some of those under-performers and persist with new blood, whilst trotting out a style of football that seems more suited to a country team than an AFL team. There ya go.samuraisaint wrote: ↑Wed 03 Oct 2018 9:50amAnd see, this I don't get. We have now struggled for seven seasons, with four of those seasons delivering six wins or less, and with most of the wins we have achieved due to our older veterans, not our youth, nor our recruits.degruch wrote: ↑Wed 03 Oct 2018 9:09amMight as well be all of them FFS...rookie all our delistings too.samuraisaint wrote: ↑Tue 02 Oct 2018 10:45pm AFL website reports that Billy is set to recommit to St. Kilda.
I wonder how many of our other players currently out of contract will be re-signed.
With the possible exception of Lonie I wouldn't be re-signing any of the guys coming out of contract as they haven't been able to improve performances or get their bodies right to make an impact. I think the club also owes it to those players to try their luck at a different club in a different system. Perhaps even at a different level in some cases.
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This is a guy who openly tells his team mates (one of whom has relayed this conversation to my wife) that he struggles to get motivated, looks for shortcuts at training, and would prefer to be playing suburban footy with his mates rather than AFL.
On attitude alone he should be delisted. Absolute spud.
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oh Stonecoldstonecold wrote: ↑Tue 02 Oct 2018 9:13pmHaha, funny little thing aren't you!!!!!sunsaint wrote: ↑Tue 02 Oct 2018 8:54pmI take everything you say as gospel stonecoldstonecold wrote: ↑Tue 02 Oct 2018 6:29pmSigned, sealed, delivered, was it?????sunsaint wrote: ↑Tue 02 Oct 2018 4:03pm what the hell has gone wrong? - our resident ruck expert stated he was signed sealed delivered to geelong
the ONLY way this seems even slightly plausible is if Hickey really is going to WC - which is massive given hickey is contracted and they could have Longer for nothing
So when you said he is going to geelong...
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Onya little person!!!!!sunsaint wrote: ↑Wed 03 Oct 2018 4:07pmoh Stonecoldstonecold wrote: ↑Tue 02 Oct 2018 9:13pmHaha, funny little thing aren't you!!!!!sunsaint wrote: ↑Tue 02 Oct 2018 8:54pmI take everything you say as gospel stonecoldstonecold wrote: ↑Tue 02 Oct 2018 6:29pmSigned, sealed, delivered, was it?????sunsaint wrote: ↑Tue 02 Oct 2018 4:03pm what the hell has gone wrong? - our resident ruck expert stated he was signed sealed delivered to geelong
the ONLY way this seems even slightly plausible is if Hickey really is going to WC - which is massive given hickey is contracted and they could have Longer for nothing
So when you said he is going to geelong...
I would rather be a funny little thing
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Which team mate?????Legendary wrote: ↑Wed 03 Oct 2018 3:42pm This is a guy who openly tells his team mates (one of whom has relayed this conversation to my wife) that he struggles to get motivated, looks for shortcuts at training, and would prefer to be playing suburban footy with his mates rather than AFL.
On attitude alone he should be delisted. Absolute spud.
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Which team mate?????Legendary wrote: ↑Wed 03 Oct 2018 3:42pm This is a guy who openly tells his team mates (one of whom has relayed this conversation to my wife) that he struggles to get motivated, looks for shortcuts at training, and would prefer to be playing suburban footy with his mates rather than AFL.
On attitude alone he should be delisted. Absolute spud.
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Yeah which, St Kilda team mates or Geelong team mates??stonecold wrote: ↑Wed 03 Oct 2018 6:16pmWhich team mate?????Legendary wrote: ↑Wed 03 Oct 2018 3:42pm This is a guy who openly tells his team mates (one of whom has relayed this conversation to my wife) that he struggles to get motivated, looks for shortcuts at training, and would prefer to be playing suburban footy with his mates rather than AFL.
On attitude alone he should be delisted. Absolute spud.
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True and Trent was a slightly better mark and kick
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That's not really fair, Longer rarely marks and kicks....at least not when I'm watchingViscount Jeremiah wrote: ↑Wed 03 Oct 2018 9:21pmTrue and Trent was a slightly better mark and kick
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Yep, sample size too smallToy Saint wrote: ↑Wed 03 Oct 2018 9:33pmThat's not really fair, Longer rarely marks and kicks....at least not when I'm watchingViscount Jeremiah wrote: ↑Wed 03 Oct 2018 9:21pmTrue and Trent was a slightly better mark and kick
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The ruck problem is a real concern for me. How can the club not see that having four ruckmen is overkill? Billy and Hick seem to struggle to finish seasons off, and it would appear that Marshall is even a preferred forward option now. The Pierce/Marshall combo worked okay in the final six rounds, but we failed to win even one game in that time.
If Hick does go to the Eagles (Lobb may head to Freo) then maybe keeping Billy is a good thing, but my concern is that we are re-signing players, like Nathan Brown for instance, who are not going to take us to the next level (which is mid-table based on this season's results).
Apart from Lonie, who ironically may leave of his own volition anyway, I would be surprised if the club re-signed those guys coming out of contract because they have had their goes at it. A lot of the players who have already been delisted were those who didn't play much or at all this year. Changes need to come from the players who have had a lot of games over the years.
If Hick does go to the Eagles (Lobb may head to Freo) then maybe keeping Billy is a good thing, but my concern is that we are re-signing players, like Nathan Brown for instance, who are not going to take us to the next level (which is mid-table based on this season's results).
Apart from Lonie, who ironically may leave of his own volition anyway, I would be surprised if the club re-signed those guys coming out of contract because they have had their goes at it. A lot of the players who have already been delisted were those who didn't play much or at all this year. Changes need to come from the players who have had a lot of games over the years.
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As long as both Hickey and Longer remain on our list and we continue to have this pointless "Hickey v Longer" debate, our rucks will always be a problem.samuraisaint wrote: ↑Thu 04 Oct 2018 9:10am The ruck problem is a real concern for me. How can the club not see that having four ruckmen is overkill? Billy and Hick seem to struggle to finish seasons off, and it would appear that Marshall is even a preferred forward option now. The Pierce/Marshall combo worked okay in the final six rounds, but we failed to win even one game in that time.
If Hick does go to the Eagles (Lobb may head to Freo) then maybe keeping Billy is a good thing, but my concern is that we are re-signing players, like Nathan Brown for instance, who are not going to take us to the next level (which is mid-table based on this season's results).
Apart from Lonie, who ironically may leave of his own volition anyway, I would be surprised if the club re-signed those guys coming out of contract because they have had their goes at it. A lot of the players who have already been delisted were those who didn't play much or at all this year. Changes need to come from the players who have had a lot of games over the years.
Both have strengths and weaknesses, but neither (at least as long as they are at St. Kilda) are good enough to be the no. 1 ruck.
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Nailed itSydneySainter wrote: ↑Fri 05 Oct 2018 12:17pmAs long as both Hickey and Longer remain on our list and we continue to have this pointless "Hickey v Longer" debate, our rucks will always be a problem.samuraisaint wrote: ↑Thu 04 Oct 2018 9:10am The ruck problem is a real concern for me. How can the club not see that having four ruckmen is overkill? Billy and Hick seem to struggle to finish seasons off, and it would appear that Marshall is even a preferred forward option now. The Pierce/Marshall combo worked okay in the final six rounds, but we failed to win even one game in that time.
If Hick does go to the Eagles (Lobb may head to Freo) then maybe keeping Billy is a good thing, but my concern is that we are re-signing players, like Nathan Brown for instance, who are not going to take us to the next level (which is mid-table based on this season's results).
Apart from Lonie, who ironically may leave of his own volition anyway, I would be surprised if the club re-signed those guys coming out of contract because they have had their goes at it. A lot of the players who have already been delisted were those who didn't play much or at all this year. Changes need to come from the players who have had a lot of games over the years.
Both have strengths and weaknesses, but neither (at least as long as they are at St. Kilda) are good enough to be the no. 1 ruck.
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Maybe but Billy is significantly worse than TomSydneySainter wrote: ↑Fri 05 Oct 2018 12:17pmAs long as both Hickey and Longer remain on our list and we continue to have this pointless "Hickey v Longer" debate, our rucks will always be a problem.samuraisaint wrote: ↑Thu 04 Oct 2018 9:10am The ruck problem is a real concern for me. How can the club not see that having four ruckmen is overkill? Billy and Hick seem to struggle to finish seasons off, and it would appear that Marshall is even a preferred forward option now. The Pierce/Marshall combo worked okay in the final six rounds, but we failed to win even one game in that time.
If Hick does go to the Eagles (Lobb may head to Freo) then maybe keeping Billy is a good thing, but my concern is that we are re-signing players, like Nathan Brown for instance, who are not going to take us to the next level (which is mid-table based on this season's results).
Apart from Lonie, who ironically may leave of his own volition anyway, I would be surprised if the club re-signed those guys coming out of contract because they have had their goes at it. A lot of the players who have already been delisted were those who didn't play much or at all this year. Changes need to come from the players who have had a lot of games over the years.
Both have strengths and weaknesses, but neither (at least as long as they are at St. Kilda) are good enough to be the no. 1 ruck.
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This is appalling and I believe it from you legendary, can't believe we are looking to trade Hickey and keep this guy.Legendary wrote: ↑Wed 03 Oct 2018 3:42pm This is a guy who openly tells his team mates (one of whom has relayed this conversation to my wife) that he struggles to get motivated, looks for shortcuts at training, and would prefer to be playing suburban footy with his mates rather than AFL.
On attitude alone he should be delisted. Absolute spud.
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dragit wrote: ↑Fri 05 Oct 2018 9:36pmThis is appalling and I believe it from you legendary, can't believe we are looking to trade Hickey and keep this guy.Legendary wrote: ↑Wed 03 Oct 2018 3:42pm This is a guy who openly tells his team mates (one of whom has relayed this conversation to my wife) that he struggles to get motivated, looks for shortcuts at training, and would prefer to be playing suburban footy with his mates rather than AFL.
On attitude alone he should be delisted. Absolute spud.
Club is a rabble.
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If a player is telling team mates that he struggles for motivation and would prefer to play suburban footy and the club is persisting then they have no idea.takeaway wrote: ↑Fri 05 Oct 2018 9:43pmdragit wrote: ↑Fri 05 Oct 2018 9:36pmThis is appalling and I believe it from you legendary, can't believe we are looking to trade Hickey and keep this guy.Legendary wrote: ↑Wed 03 Oct 2018 3:42pm This is a guy who openly tells his team mates (one of whom has relayed this conversation to my wife) that he struggles to get motivated, looks for shortcuts at training, and would prefer to be playing suburban footy with his mates rather than AFL.
On attitude alone he should be delisted. Absolute spud.
Club is a rabble.
Or they might know their ruckmen better than posters on SS
Legendary has a good track record, far better than the club at this point.
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So you believe that, and if it was said you know in what context? Ok then. Not critisising Legendary, but far better record than the club? At what?dragit wrote: ↑Fri 05 Oct 2018 9:59pmIf a player is telling team mates that he struggles for motivation and would prefer to play suburban footy and the club is persisting then they have no idea.takeaway wrote: ↑Fri 05 Oct 2018 9:43pmdragit wrote: ↑Fri 05 Oct 2018 9:36pmThis is appalling and I believe it from you legendary, can't believe we are looking to trade Hickey and keep this guy.Legendary wrote: ↑Wed 03 Oct 2018 3:42pm This is a guy who openly tells his team mates (one of whom has relayed this conversation to my wife) that he struggles to get motivated, looks for shortcuts at training, and would prefer to be playing suburban footy with his mates rather than AFL.
On attitude alone he should be delisted. Absolute spud.
Club is a rabble.
Or they might know their ruckmen better than posters on SS
Legendary has a good track record, far better than the club at this point.
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But what if Lethers is mates with Billy’s old man?
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