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They had Royce Hart.magnifisaint wrote:2017ace wrote:When was the last time a team without heart won a premiership.magnifisaint wrote:Interesting insight. What impact does the heart condition have?
Fantastic player polar opposite as coachkosifantutti wrote:They had Royce Hart.magnifisaint wrote:2017ace wrote:When was the last time a team without heart won a premiership.magnifisaint wrote:Interesting insight. What impact does the heart condition have?
If he is the best midfielder in the draft and he is cleared by medicos, we've got to take him if he slides.skeptic wrote:Don’t know that outside of us, Bonar was ever really top 10...parkeysainter wrote:Apparantly Stephenson and Boner are not going top 10 anymore and more like a late 1st rounder. That is the whisper out there due to their injuries and/or condition.
I personally don't want to take anyone with some concerns regarding their body, injuries and conditions.
I’ve been on holidays the last week... and sick at home unfortunately for most of it so have done a lot of reading.
Outside of his link to us, IMO most rate Bonar as #15-20 pick and this is largely due to less information available due to injury in the past... or to put it another, whilst his best has on occasion been amazing, he’s produced considerably less of it than most.
The risk isn’t injury... ppl generally don’t know how good he is compared to others. He could be a flash in the pan.
Stephenson on the other hand is a genuine talent... rated by many as the best mid in the draft, even now there’s an odd post suggesting he’s number one, many suggesting he’s top 5, even more linking him to us.
He’s seems to have the best outside game with a lot inconsistent feedback on his disposal... some say it’s elite, others say inconsistent.
W/O a shadow of a doubt the most fluctuating player in terms of status on the board.
My opinion... he’s seems to consistently play good to excellent football as a mid and is considered a match winner because of his leap.
I’d take him
Coffield isn't an outside mid, he is a running defender with potential to play midCon Gorozidis wrote:I don't understand this logic at all.fugazi wrote:I agree with the OP regarding playing it too safe.
The two resources we have in spades are HB Flankers and Inside Mids.
We have little to no x factor: Billings and Gresham maybe?
I think 1 safe bet and 1 risk
Clark and Stephenson
Don't you just go for the two u actually think will be the best?
Coffield is the fastest of the lot and would probably be the fastest bloke on our list.
He is exactly what we need.
A quick outside mid who can kick.
Gordo' wrote:oh ffs!!! it's not flowering rocket science!!!![]()
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jaxon's has given us all a good clue. need more help, ffs? ok.
want to avoid a dud? flowering easy. don't pick any small lightly framed soft&@#k drummer types.![]()
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want to pick up someone who will be a flowering star? look for the blokes who 'have all the flowering tools' but have been set back by an untimely injury.
got it??? ok, now go back through the lists, and whom we need to get will be flowering obvious.
jaxons wrote:My inbox is inundated with PM's asking my view, so this goes out to all who have asked.
My personal view is I would take Stephenson and Bonar, two players with X factor, that could be the two best in the draft.
We have heaps of soldiers on our list and need match winners.
I know the club is frightened given McCarten and Freeman of taking a risk on Bonar with his knee history and Stephenson with his heart condition.
My view they are going to compound a past mistake on Paddy and Freeman even further by playing it safe and not taking these two.
I feel we will play it safe and get Clark and Coffield, two more soldiers, and both are more half back flankers than midfielders.
We have 15 half back flankers on our list so I cannot understand this position.
Bonar and Stephenson may turn out to be the two best players in this years draft in my opinion, we need to be brave.
The logic is that neither Clark nor Coffield are primarily midfielders.....they are both HBF with doubts on their capacity to go in the guts.Con Gorozidis wrote:fugazi wrote:I agree with the OP regarding playing it too safe.
The two resources we have in spades are HB Flankers and Inside Mids.
We have little to no x factor: Billings and Gresham maybe?
I think 1 safe bet and 1 risk
Clark and Stephenson
I don't understand this logic at all.
Don't you just go for the two u actually think will be the best?
Coffield is the fastest of the lot and would probably be the fastest bloke on our list.
He is exactly what we need.
A quick outside mid who can kick.
Great post.vacuous space wrote:Clark isn't any more a HBF than Stephenson is a HFF. Both were used on the outside at the carnival and both played more midfield for their TAC clubs. Clark was the better of the two. 26.7 disposals; 13.5 contested; 6.2 clearances and 6.6 tackes per game for Clark versus 23.2 disposals; 10.5 contested; 3.2 clearances and 5.5 tackles per game for Stephenson. Clark kicked 11 goals in 13 games and Stephenson kicked 14 goals in 15 games. At the very least, Clark over Stephenson is defensible on form.
Coffield spent more time outside, but that's in part because he's the best kick in the draft. Dismissing him as a flanker is incredibly reductive. Coffield had 30 contested possessions for the carnival. LDU had 31. Cerra had 34. Clark had 22. Stephenson had 17. Coffield looked composed under pressure. He moves well in traffic and makes good decisions. I don't see any reason why he couldn't play more midfield at the next level, except Richo might prefer him on the outside too. I don't believe there's any suggestion that his tank is deficient. His yo-yo test was 21.2. Stephenson's was 21.8.
I don't think passing on Stephenson is a big deal. He's around about the mark if we think he's healthy. His best was pretty good. His worst was pretty bad. 14 touches against WA; 10 touches against VC; 12 against the Allies. Not exactly awe inspiring. I think it's incredibly optimistic to assume the 28 touch, 5 goal Stephenson is the one that's going to show up in the AFL. He didn't show up at any other point this year. I'll take consistent performers and elite kicks over X-factor any day.
magnifisaint wrote:2017ace wrote:When was the last time a team without heart won a premiership.magnifisaint wrote:Interesting insight. What impact does the heart condition have?