BigMart wrote:Winning cultures are probably more significant in bad times.... The draft and cap makes result a bit cyclical...but being able to be resourced fully and a rich history with a huge supporter base is very important.
BTW Hawthorn have won 2 times in the last 20 years, Carlton Once, Essendon twice, Collingwood once....
All played in multiple GFs
Sydney created a winning culture under Paul Roos, Ross Lyon, John Longmire, Brett Kirk.... And a million in their cap above other.... Harnessed some kind of mantra and it is still believed
Adelaide 97/98, WCE 91-94, Brisbane 01-04 built dynasties on either player concessions or Drafting from the bottom. Leadership is significant in all of those dynasties. Powerful Coaches, good captains....
Geelong and us had the chance to create premiership success after raping the 1998-2002 drafts.... One team were successful.
They were the only team in their states ATT
Port entered the AFL wanting to win... They were used to it... And they had created a powerful side within 4 year
Hate to be pedantic, BM, but in the last 20 years (1993-2012 inclusive) Hawthorn have won 1 flag (2008), not 2. Their previous flag was 1991. But, that's not my main point. In 1991 the cap and draft had not fully taken effect (I'm not sure they were even both in operation in '91). Many clubs were still languishing under limited income and mountains of debt from the 70's and '80's.
My point is Hawthorn have not gone any better than others in that period since the equalisation measures began taking effect. In the 21 years up to their '91 flag they'd won 8 flags (38% of those contested, 35% if you leave out '71 to get an even 20 years).
Carlton in the same 20 years won 5 flags (25%). And got pinged for their systematic cap breaches.
Richmond from '67 to '80 (14 years) won 5 flags (36%).
Essendon were a basket case in the latter part of the 70's, but won 2 in the 80's. They went closest to replicating their 80's success in the first half of the last 20 years, but got pinged for systematic breaches (incl for the '93 flag year). Nuttin' in the win column since 2000.
In the last 20 years these dominant clubs have not bested the clubs that could not hold a candle to them under the previous competition structure, due, almost entirely in my belief, to the income differential driven by competition overlords who sat in big leather chairs and preached the status quo.
We mortgaged our next 40 odd years to move to Moorabbin and pay for immediate success, because the numbers wouldn't work without the early success. If we'd moved under the set of policies started by the VFL/AFL for Sydney's move, I am absolutely certain we wouldn't have lost the 3 odd decades up to the early naughties.
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