Actual knowledge - based on undisputed facts.Mr Magic wrote:crippa2sipa wrote:You can better your bottom dollar that Fremantle have tied Lyon to the club good and proper.Mr Magic wrote:the reality is that even if we had managed to 'sign up' Lyon on a long term contract it more than likely would have contained a similar 'get out clause' as the existing one did and he may well have 'walked' from it for a much better financial deal.
Lyon hated that "get-out clause". It was part of a package expressly designed to deprive Lyon of the security of a contract-payout, in the event that he was sacked before his term was up.
As has already been explained, Lyon insisted on the get-out clause ONLY because the club itself had insisted on the right to sack him at any time without paying out his contract.
IT is a sign of the utmost idiocy for a club to include such clauses in the contract of a coach who has just coached a near-perfect season and brought us to the brink of a premiership, as he was sure to be hotly in demand by rival clubs.
It is a sign of even greater imbecility (if that is possible) for the club, after the drawn grand final and the grand final rematch in 2010, not to have replaced that insulting contract ASAP with a secure contract on reasonable terms - as Lyon had himself requested when Nettlefold opened negotiations in March 2011.
That Nettlefold (or the Board), in March 2011 was only prepared to offer a 2 year extension with a PAY-CUT plus incentives to the man who'd done so much to secure for our club a windfall of $660,000 (our share of the AFL's takings for the Grand Final Rematch) demonstrates unequivocally that the Board and CEO have no commercial clue where footy is concerned.
Do you have actual knowledge of what you're posting or is it purely your opinion.
If it's purely your opinion of what transpired then how cna you be so positive that is what actually tool place?
If it's actual knowledge of what transpired then I (and I'm sure others) would appreciate wher that knowledge stems from.
Is it the story from one side of the 'argument'?
If so, then that 'story' will be 'tainted' by the biased perspective of that person(s).
You post in such categorical terms that I'm intrigued to know what the basis of your stance is.
And as an aside, you're talking about a contract offer from a Club that has been 'bitten' by long term, non-performance based contracts in its recent history.
You cannot on the one hand decry the 'insulting offer' to Lyon and also decry the 'disastrous' long term contract offered to players like Penny and Hammill.
Surely any Coach worth his salt would not be 'scared' of a contract offer (during negotiations) which offered him a low base payment and large incentives?
Did you feel the same way when Lyon/the Club determined that Luke Ball was only worth 350k rather than his existing 600k salary?
Or was that pragmatic?
Not a single anti-Lyon insider at the club has disputed:
(a) the existence of the terms in question, in the 2009 contract; nor
(b) the terms I have alluded to in Nettlefold's initial offer to Lyon when Nettlefold opened contract negotiations in March 2011.
Your comments at the end re Ball are frankly ludicrous.
The contract offered to Ball was a normal contract: if the Saints had sacked him, we'd have still had to pay out his contract in full. He would have been entitled to that security.
Lyon's contract was not a "contract" in that sense.
It was a "contract" unheard-of in the annals of AFL lunacy.
As for reducing Ball's inflated paypacket - a hangover from the profligate GT era - suffice it to say that, while Ball was a good player, he was not the best player at the club by a long shot.
Lyon - by contrast - has been described by Allan Jeans himself as the best coach St Kilda has ever had.
One would have thought that Nettlefold (or at least you, Mr Magic) would have sat up and taken notice from someone who ought to know.
He didn't. Freo did. And the supporters - judging by our membership tally - are not happy.
I leave you with the following quotation, because it sums up my point better than I ever could:
"Asked how he would have felt if Hawthorn had lost coach Alastair Clarkson to similar circumstances, Kennett replied: "That would have been our fault if we were the victim of a coup and we wanted to keep someone.
"We're not playing with fairies at the bottom of the garden; we're living in a very real commercial world."
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/o ... 6142125557
