I've adjusted - rightly or wrongly on bergholts assumption as there were 2 X 37Mr Magic wrote:#15 Jumper retired for 2012?
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only against saints in previous years. average heights:sasaint wrote:When you look down that list we must be one of the shortest teams in the comp. Has anyone done the stats?
2012: 187.0cm
2011: 187.2cm
2010: 189.6cm
2009: 188.6cm
2008: 188.1cm
2007: 187.9cm
no idea how that stacks up against other sides, but i'm comfortable with us getting shorter - would far prefer to have depth in the midfield than at either end, personally.
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Re: Number Changes
isnt the whole point of twitter thats its not secret? if u wanted it to be secret you would use text?Saints94 wrote:Secret.dcstkfc wrote:Whose Twitter?Saints94 wrote:From Twitter: Ahmad Saad #21 & Tom Ledger #15
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I know a lot of people didn't rate McQualter very highly, but surely 32 is still considered a #Con Gorozidis wrote:u cant not get a #.dragit wrote:You would assume that Saad getting a # and Milera not, says something about their expectations from the 2 next year at least?
every has to register a # with the afl.
so i dont think it means anything.
it just means we dont know mileras # yet.
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So the only player changing their number is Tom Ledger changing from 37 to 15.
Otherwise the vacant numbers have been allocated to newbies.
http://www.saints.com.au/players/tabid/ ... fault.aspx
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Otherwise the vacant numbers have been allocated to newbies.
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Jeez, I just had a look at our list, I can't believe how much it has changed since 2009...
We really are witnessing a changing of the guard, if Roo and co. are planning on bringing home that elusive premiership they better do it soon.
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all numbers as allotted up now Including Tom L as #15
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Armoooo wrote:Jeez, I just had a look at our list, I can't believe how much it has changed since 2009...
We really are witnessing a changing of the guard, if Roo and co. are planning on bringing home that elusive premiership they better do it soon.
Yes the future is really scary.
Consider that both Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney have been able to build teams with a core of what would normally be the equivalnet of about 15 first round picks, 5 second round picks and raiding out of contract players from other clubs.
Compare that to St Kilda who have to rebuild.
Rebuild having never got a look at a top 20 pick player during that time and a future of 1 first round pick and 1 second round pick per year (whilst Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney get the same).
I know which group of young kids I would prefer to have going into the second half of this decade and they don't wear red white and black.
It is premiership now or maybe not again in my lifetime.
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Demetriou has created 2 super teams for the last half of this decade.
He reasoned that the new clubs needed to have similar numbers of first and second round pick players that had been accumulated and remain at existing clubs.
If the new clubs had traded all or most of their first and second round picks for existing players they would be competitive from their first season.
But Demetriou did not compel this to take place.
Instead he allowed the new clubs to start out uncompetitive and accumulate super teams for later in the decade.
Every club in the competition including the new clubs will have 1 first round pick and 1 second round pick per season.
But as other clubs existing first and second round picks retire the new clubs startup players will be coming into their prime.
There is no compensation when players like Riewoldt and Goddard retire.
All club lists will contain the same quality of players from 2012 draft onwards but the new clubs will have their startup stars on top.
The competition will be so lopsided in the second half of the decade.
Demetriou will probably have moved on by then, spending the millions in salary that have fallen into his lap, sunning on some Greek island that he will own.
Meanwhile footy supporters will watch 100 point thrashings at the hands of the super teams and wonder how this all happened.
He reasoned that the new clubs needed to have similar numbers of first and second round pick players that had been accumulated and remain at existing clubs.
If the new clubs had traded all or most of their first and second round picks for existing players they would be competitive from their first season.
But Demetriou did not compel this to take place.
Instead he allowed the new clubs to start out uncompetitive and accumulate super teams for later in the decade.
Every club in the competition including the new clubs will have 1 first round pick and 1 second round pick per season.
But as other clubs existing first and second round picks retire the new clubs startup players will be coming into their prime.
There is no compensation when players like Riewoldt and Goddard retire.
All club lists will contain the same quality of players from 2012 draft onwards but the new clubs will have their startup stars on top.
The competition will be so lopsided in the second half of the decade.
Demetriou will probably have moved on by then, spending the millions in salary that have fallen into his lap, sunning on some Greek island that he will own.
Meanwhile footy supporters will watch 100 point thrashings at the hands of the super teams and wonder how this all happened.
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Didnt we get any first round picks over the last 15 years? And dont those 2 sides have a salary cap. Yes they will be good for a while once they mature but the salary cap will catch up as it does with every great club.ace wrote:Armoooo wrote:Jeez, I just had a look at our list, I can't believe how much it has changed since 2009...
We really are witnessing a changing of the guard, if Roo and co. are planning on bringing home that elusive premiership they better do it soon.
Yes the future is really scary.
Consider that both Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney have been able to build teams with a core of what would normally be the equivalnet of about 15 first round picks, 5 second round picks and raiding out of contract players from other clubs.
Compare that to St Kilda who have to rebuild.
Rebuild having never got a look at a top 20 pick player during that time and a future of 1 first round pick and 1 second round pick per year (whilst Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney get the same).
I know which group of young kids I would prefer to have going into the second half of this decade and they don't wear red white and black.
It is premiership now or maybe not again in my lifetime.
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plugger66 wrote:Didnt we get any first round picks over the last 15 years? And dont those 2 sides have a salary cap. Yes they will be good for a while once they mature but the salary cap will catch up as it does with every great club.ace wrote:Armoooo wrote:Jeez, I just had a look at our list, I can't believe how much it has changed since 2009...
We really are witnessing a changing of the guard, if Roo and co. are planning on bringing home that elusive premiership they better do it soon.
Yes the future is really scary.
Consider that both Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney have been able to build teams with a core of what would normally be the equivalnet of about 15 first round picks, 5 second round picks and raiding out of contract players from other clubs.
Compare that to St Kilda who have to rebuild.
Rebuild having never got a look at a top 20 pick player during that time and a future of 1 first round pick and 1 second round pick per year (whilst Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney get the same).
I know which group of young kids I would prefer to have going into the second half of this decade and they don't wear red white and black.
It is premiership now or maybe not again in my lifetime.
The salary cap wont stop the rampage, the startup players will stick together for their collective glory.ace wrote: Every club in the competition including the new clubs will have 1 first round pick and 1 second round pick per season.
But as other clubs existing first and second round picks retire the new clubs startup players will be coming into their prime.
There is no compensation when players like Riewoldt and Goddard retire.
All club lists will contain the same quality of players from 2012 draft onwards but the new clubs will have their startup stars on top.
Demetriou needed to force the new clubs to trade picks and be competitive from the start.
The more you know, the more you know you don't know.
When I was a young child, I knew that I knew so much about so much.
Now that I am old and know so much more, I know that I know so much about so little, and so little about so much.
If you are not engaging AI actively and aggressively, you are doing it wrong.
You are not going to lose your job to AI.
You are going lose your job to somebody who uses AI.
Your company is not going to go out of business because of AI.
Your company is going to go out of business because another company used AI.
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I am unsure someone would sit in Sydney for bugger all even if they are successful when they can come home and earn plenty more. Well actually I am sure. They will come home.ace wrote:plugger66 wrote:Didnt we get any first round picks over the last 15 years? And dont those 2 sides have a salary cap. Yes they will be good for a while once they mature but the salary cap will catch up as it does with every great club.ace wrote:Armoooo wrote:Jeez, I just had a look at our list, I can't believe how much it has changed since 2009...
We really are witnessing a changing of the guard, if Roo and co. are planning on bringing home that elusive premiership they better do it soon.
Yes the future is really scary.
Consider that both Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney have been able to build teams with a core of what would normally be the equivalnet of about 15 first round picks, 5 second round picks and raiding out of contract players from other clubs.
Compare that to St Kilda who have to rebuild.
Rebuild having never got a look at a top 20 pick player during that time and a future of 1 first round pick and 1 second round pick per year (whilst Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney get the same).
I know which group of young kids I would prefer to have going into the second half of this decade and they don't wear red white and black.
It is premiership now or maybe not again in my lifetime.The salary cap wont stop the rampage, the startup players will stick together for their collective glory.ace wrote: Every club in the competition including the new clubs will have 1 first round pick and 1 second round pick per season.
But as other clubs existing first and second round picks retire the new clubs startup players will be coming into their prime.
There is no compensation when players like Riewoldt and Goddard retire.
All club lists will contain the same quality of players from 2012 draft onwards but the new clubs will have their startup stars on top.
Demetriou needed to force the new clubs to trade picks and be competitive from the start.
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I think we are being a bit pessimistic here. Sure GWS and GC have got high picks in their first year. but you cant compare that to us and Carlton. Carlton have 3 No. 1 picks, 2 number 2, etc. We have 2 No.s 1 picks and even Richmond have a couple, but it has not made them into a super team. In 5 or 6 years time it will be interesting to see how many of these high picks taken by GC and GWS have made it, or are still with their original clubs.
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You're assuming that the AFL will not tinker with the rules. They have done it before and they will do it again. That is the problem when the regulator is the owner and operator and has skin in the game. They make up the rules as they go along and it's a massive conflict of interest.plugger66 wrote:I am unsure someone would sit in Sydney for bugger all even if they are successful when they can come home and earn plenty more. Well actually I am sure. They will come home.ace wrote:plugger66 wrote:Didnt we get any first round picks over the last 15 years? And dont those 2 sides have a salary cap. Yes they will be good for a while once they mature but the salary cap will catch up as it does with every great club.ace wrote:Armoooo wrote:Jeez, I just had a look at our list, I can't believe how much it has changed since 2009...
We really are witnessing a changing of the guard, if Roo and co. are planning on bringing home that elusive premiership they better do it soon.
Yes the future is really scary.
Consider that both Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney have been able to build teams with a core of what would normally be the equivalnet of about 15 first round picks, 5 second round picks and raiding out of contract players from other clubs.
Compare that to St Kilda who have to rebuild.
Rebuild having never got a look at a top 20 pick player during that time and a future of 1 first round pick and 1 second round pick per year (whilst Gold Coast and Greater Western Sydney get the same).
I know which group of young kids I would prefer to have going into the second half of this decade and they don't wear red white and black.
It is premiership now or maybe not again in my lifetime.The salary cap wont stop the rampage, the startup players will stick together for their collective glory.ace wrote: Every club in the competition including the new clubs will have 1 first round pick and 1 second round pick per season.
But as other clubs existing first and second round picks retire the new clubs startup players will be coming into their prime.
There is no compensation when players like Riewoldt and Goddard retire.
All club lists will contain the same quality of players from 2012 draft onwards but the new clubs will have their startup stars on top.
Demetriou needed to force the new clubs to trade picks and be competitive from the start.
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