Why is Dawson being touted as trade bait?

plugger66 · Post: # 1160203Post **plugger66** » Wed 12 Oct 2011 7:37am

Con Gorozidis wrote:
plugger66 wrote:
savatage wrote:Not sure why he'd pop out with a big manly physique suddenly next year guys...a lot of wishful thinking there!
Of course he wont but it doesnt stop some thinking you just do weights and look like Tarzan.
Ur a total douche plugger. Clrarly never played sport.
U can make large improvements in strength if u train and eat smart and hard. If u haven't seen people do it u have never played sport at any level.

I have a simple question for you then Con. Why hasnt he put on weight so he looks like Tarzan. Now that is an easy one. Just give us an answer to that. And what playing sport at any level has got to do with this is beyond me.

Dr Spaceman · Wed 12 Oct 2011 8:14am

St Ick wrote:afl.com.au article stating RL not interested in any former Saints players.

Some cruel people might suggest Ross wasn't that interested in certain St Kilda players while he was still at our club

St Ick · Post: # 1160230Post **St Ick** » Wed 12 Oct 2011 8:24am

Dr Spaceman wrote:
St Ick wrote:afl.com.au article stating RL not interested in any former Saints players.
Some cruel people might suggest Ross wasn't that interested in certain St Kilda players while he was still at our club

I hold grave fears for any bloke with the first name of Tom on the Freo list....

MC Gusto · Post: # 1160240Post **MC Gusto** » Wed 12 Oct 2011 8:41am

Dr Spaceman wrote:
St Ick wrote:afl.com.au article stating RL not interested in any former Saints players.
Some cruel people might suggest Ross wasn't that interested in certain St Kilda players while he was still at our club

Do you know how happy some of our young guns are now Ross has walked? Some including the much talked about lunch and Walsh have said they would not have stayed if Ross was still with us
Blessing in disguise
By the way I heard a number of clubs have shown interest in Walsh but we have played a straight bat and said he is well and truly off limits
I am sure plugger will say this is all bulls*** but I say it as I hear it

ralphsmith · Wed 12 Oct 2011 10:20am

savatage wrote:Not sure why he'd pop out with a big manly physique suddenly next year guys...a lot of wishful thinking there!

yeah...he seriously needs to bulk up those pathetic little arms. Sticks..

He gets monstered by the likes of Cloke. He looks frail and distinterested most of the time.

Dr Spaceman · Wed 12 Oct 2011 10:24am

MC Gusto wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:
St Ick wrote:afl.com.au article stating RL not interested in any former Saints players.
Some cruel people might suggest Ross wasn't that interested in certain St Kilda players while he was still at our club
Do you know how happy some of our young guns are now Ross has walked? Some including the much talked about lunch and Walsh have said they would not have stayed if Ross was still with us
Blessing in disguise
By the way I heard a number of clubs have shown interest in Walsh but we have played a straight bat and said he is well and truly off limits
I am sure plugger will say this is all bulls*** but I say it as I hear it

None of that surprises me at all.

ralphsmith · Wed 12 Oct 2011 10:27am

Armitage should be just about the happiest.

Now he will actually be able to play as a hard nosed midfielder, busting packs rather than play as Ross' defensive forward. I hated that role for Armo.

matrix · Post: # 1160319Post **matrix** » Wed 12 Oct 2011 10:33am

so gram is on the table, and clarke apparently, baker gawn
now dawson
plus blake to not resign and looking like he might not stay with us (?)

cool that lives chips and jimmy to cover all the backline possies

yup

lets get rid of the full back
i mean lake has left the dogs
lets get him

borderbarry · Wed 12 Oct 2011 11:49am

I would be happy to keep Zac as our fullback if he could break that annoying habit of acting the toughie, and giving away stupid frees that end up as easy goals each week.

noob · Post: # 1160392Post **noob** » Wed 12 Oct 2011 11:58am

and put on 10kg of muscle

matrix · Post: # 1160394Post **matrix** » Wed 12 Oct 2011 11:59am

why is he being touted as a trade potential?
1. he hasnt signed yet
2. most newspaper sites have him along with peake, ray and gram as potential trade prospects

i reckon thatd be the reason

samoht · Post: # 1160397Post **samoht** » Wed 12 Oct 2011 12:03pm

Dawson is okay on forwards without body strength.
..i.e. against a big forward he's no different to a Harry Taylor vs Cloke or Reid of Collingwood vs Hawkins - he can't take on a big forward with body strength.

We need someone like Lonergan too or instead .. someone tall with a body - who can shut out a Cloke or a Hawkins.

borderbarry · Wed 12 Oct 2011 12:06pm

How do Lonergan and Tommy Walsh compare for size? Walsh 195, 97kg. Lonergan ? ?
And then we have Archer. 193, 99kg. (Probably well over 100kg now)

samoht · Post: # 1160401Post **samoht** » Wed 12 Oct 2011 12:10pm

It's lower/core body strength that comes into play... not so much body weight.

It's a pity that Gwilt isn't 195 cm tall.

Walsh may potentially be a better bet than Dawson vs big forwards - he would do at least as well IMO - seeing Cloke marks everything one on one vs Dawson.

Joffa 5 · Post: # 1160402Post **Joffa 5** » Wed 12 Oct 2011 12:18pm

samoht wrote:It's lower/core body strength that comes into play... not so much body weight.

I agree with this. Can't understand what the obsession is with Zac having big guns.... Not going to help in a one on one marking duel.

Perhaps it's just for eye candy???? In the Seinfeld tradition... Not that there's anything wrong with that

Scollop · Post: # 1160440Post **Scollop** » Wed 12 Oct 2011 1:09pm

I've seen too many games where he lets us and his team mates down...the grey matter between Zac's ears may not be as easy to change as his body shape

I say if we can get something for him - get rid of him

MCG-Unit · Post: # 1160571Post **MCG-Unit** » Wed 12 Oct 2011 6:05pm

Might be a mistake if they trade out Dawson, FBs are much harder to replace than mids.... again unless it's a super deal the Saints way.
How many times did he have bags of goals kicked against him?

Also Gwilt will not be ready for the start of the season, and we don't know what's happening with Blake.

I hope the new coaches have a succession plan for the tall KP backs with any of Simpkin, Walsh, Johnson and Archer.

defacto · Post: # 1160577Post **defacto** » Wed 12 Oct 2011 6:12pm

MCG-Unit wrote:Might be a mistake if they trade out Dawson, FBs are much harder to replace than mids.... again unless it's a super deal the Saints way.
How many times did he have bags of goals kicked against him?

Also Gwilt will not be ready for the start of the season, and we don't know what's happening with Blake.

I hope the new coaches have a succession plan for the tall KP backs with any of Simpkin, Walsh, Johnson and Archer.

small forward pocket players are just as tough to find. would love to get walters from freo and a higher draft pick for dawson

MCG-Unit · Post: # 1160588Post **MCG-Unit** » Wed 12 Oct 2011 6:23pm

defacto wrote:
MCG-Unit wrote:Might be a mistake if they trade out Dawson, FBs are much harder to replace than mids.... again unless it's a super deal the Saints way.
How many times did he have bags of goals kicked against him?

Also Gwilt will not be ready for the start of the season, and we don't know what's happening with Blake.

I hope the new coaches have a succession plan for the tall KP backs with any of Simpkin, Walsh, Johnson and Archer.
small forward pocket players are just as tough to find. would love to get walters from freo and a higher draft pick for dawson

Yes what I've seen of Walters is impressive, small left footer and still only 20 - seems to be harder at the ball than many FP......

Need to get a decent DP/player for Dawson if they are going to trade.

They need more hard running mids as well, and I like the look of Simon Hogan and Rohan Bail. Bail can play F and B

Richter · Post: # 1160592Post **Richter** » Wed 12 Oct 2011 6:33pm

We have one elite defender in Sammy Fisher and two guns in Jimmy Gwilt and Sam Gilbert. The rest are average (Raph, Dawson and the Blake). Overall, I think we get way more out of them as a unit than the sum of the individuals. Hence, there would seem to me to be little gained in trading any of them UNLESS one is touting for a serious wage increase, in which case only Jimmy would be one I'd accommodate. (Presuming that Sam Fisher is already in the top 5 paid players in the team).

Dawson, I think, is likely to have been getting paid near the minimum so is good value and not worth trading at present UNLESS his manager is looking to change this and he has serious offers elsewhere i doubt that he will be getting moved along.

For mine.... one more year from the Blake as back-up ruck and back-up defender, with Tom Simpson a likely bolter this coming year.

PJ · Post: # 1160596Post PJ » Wed 12 Oct 2011 6:40pm

Richter wrote:We have one elite defender in Sammy Fisher and two guns in Jimmy Gwilt and Sam Gilbert. The rest are average (Raph, Dawson and the Blake). Overall, I think we get way more out of them as a unit than the sum of the individuals. Hence, there would seem to me to be little gained in trading any of them UNLESS one is touting for a serious wage increase, in which case only Jimmy would be one I'd accommodate. (Presuming that Sam Fisher is already in the top 5 paid players in the team).

Dawson, I think, is likely to have been getting paid near the minimum so is good value and not worth trading at present UNLESS his manager is looking to change this and he has serious offers elsewhere i doubt that he will be getting moved along.

For mine.... one more year from the Blake as back-up ruck and back-up defender, with Tom Simpson a likely bolter this coming year.

I like Blakey alot and he has done some great work filling holes but I don't think we can stall the next level of development in our younger players for much longer. If you want Simpkin, Walsh, Stanley and others to come on they need game time.

Richter · Post: # 1160601Post **Richter** » Wed 12 Oct 2011 6:46pm

I hear ya PJ, but at the moment we are thin on for back-up rucks, and Gwilty won't be back until mid year. Sure, be nice to see Walsh and Simpkin get a few games (Stanley I'm not sold on) but I feel we need some experienced cover too. JB.

noob · Post: # 1160604Post **noob** » Wed 12 Oct 2011 6:51pm

rookie list a tall vfl ruckman

defacto · Post: # 1160616Post **defacto** » Wed 12 Oct 2011 7:09pm

i'm not that concerned on the ruck stocks, our order of preference:
1) mcevoy
2) kozi
3) blake
4) stanley
5) archer

thats not that bad. force feeding stanley games wouldnt be that bad.

MC Gusto · Post: # 1160833Post **MC Gusto** » Thu 13 Oct 2011 7:21am

MC Gusto wrote:
Dr Spaceman wrote:
St Ick wrote:afl.com.au article stating RL not interested in any former Saints players.
Some cruel people might suggest Ross wasn't that interested in certain St Kilda players while he was still at our club
Do you know how happy some of our young guns are now Ross has walked? Some including the much talked about lunch and Walsh have said they would not have stayed if Ross was still with us
Blessing in disguise
By the way I heard a number of clubs have shown interest in Walsh but we have played a straight bat and said he is well and truly off limits
I am sure plugger will say this is all bulls*** but I say it as I hear it

just thought i would quote this with regard to the age article that has been posted on Tommy

No bragging rights just sick of plugger telling me i am full of it