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Supporters who want to convince themselves that losing ball has cost us zero.....
Ball......for nothing
Lovett......for #16
The most incompetant, short-sighted decision made by the club....in recent history......and thats some history....even recent.
Those who rated lovett.....deluding themselves, essendon fans thought he could play on his day, but also knew that getting a first rounder for an unpredictable, inconsistent player with discipline problems was a steal....they were glad to see the back of him, disliked by players and frustrated coaches...
Those who underrate Ball.....underestimate the value of character. We used to laud the way he continually got knocked out putting his head over it, we loved his tackling, we loved his hardness.. Can't learn that attitude, also Ball is a quality individual, and proved this after winning the gf with collingwood...a lesser man would have thrown it in our faces, Ball looked to Lenny and the boys, clearly felt for them and almost felt bad about celebrating...all of this whilst milney and co were giving him a hard time..
It makes me sick to see him at collingwood, he loved stk....i think he actually did love robert harvey....
The real question is, why did he want to leave???
Money only..... Well a 50% pay cut would be baulked at by most.... Minimal game time.... Perhaps.... Getting ignored in the 09 grand final... Likely
I said in the 09 off season, the decision to get rid of (or not retain) ball, maguire, clarke..... Would hurt the fabric of the club.... I stand by that.
Its not like we got compensated
Reality says
We got lovett for ball and #16...... although thats not the actual trade, it worked out that way
We got jesse smith for X.Clarke
We got Will Johnson for Maguire
Take three quality humans out of an organisation.....it is always going to hurt....it also says results mean more than loyalty to players......so inturn, surely they think, their personal results mean more than loyalty to a club.
Not sure you could have picked three more popular people....maybe lenny and maxy....
Ball......for nothing
Lovett......for #16
The most incompetant, short-sighted decision made by the club....in recent history......and thats some history....even recent.
Those who rated lovett.....deluding themselves, essendon fans thought he could play on his day, but also knew that getting a first rounder for an unpredictable, inconsistent player with discipline problems was a steal....they were glad to see the back of him, disliked by players and frustrated coaches...
Those who underrate Ball.....underestimate the value of character. We used to laud the way he continually got knocked out putting his head over it, we loved his tackling, we loved his hardness.. Can't learn that attitude, also Ball is a quality individual, and proved this after winning the gf with collingwood...a lesser man would have thrown it in our faces, Ball looked to Lenny and the boys, clearly felt for them and almost felt bad about celebrating...all of this whilst milney and co were giving him a hard time..
It makes me sick to see him at collingwood, he loved stk....i think he actually did love robert harvey....
The real question is, why did he want to leave???
Money only..... Well a 50% pay cut would be baulked at by most.... Minimal game time.... Perhaps.... Getting ignored in the 09 grand final... Likely
I said in the 09 off season, the decision to get rid of (or not retain) ball, maguire, clarke..... Would hurt the fabric of the club.... I stand by that.
Its not like we got compensated
Reality says
We got lovett for ball and #16...... although thats not the actual trade, it worked out that way
We got jesse smith for X.Clarke
We got Will Johnson for Maguire
Take three quality humans out of an organisation.....it is always going to hurt....it also says results mean more than loyalty to players......so inturn, surely they think, their personal results mean more than loyalty to a club.
Not sure you could have picked three more popular people....maybe lenny and maxy....
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I think think he left because Shane O'Bree was far less competition than Lenny Hayes.BigMart wrote:Supporters who want to convince themselves that losing ball has cost us zero.....
Ball......for nothing
Lovett......for #16
The most incompetant, short-sighted decision made by the club....in recent history......and thats some history....even recent.
Those who rated lovett.....deluding themselves, essendon fans thought he could play on his day, but also knew that getting a first rounder for an unpredictable, inconsistent player with discipline problems was a steal....they were glad to see the back of him, disliked by players and frustrated coaches...
Those who underrate Ball.....underestimate the value of character. We used to laud the way he continually got knocked out putting his head over it, we loved his tackling, we loved his hardness.. Can't learn that attitude, also Ball is a quality individual, and proved this after winning the gf with collingwood...a lesser man would have thrown it in our faces, Ball looked to Lenny and the boys, clearly felt for them and almost felt bad about celebrating...all of this whilst milney and co were giving him a hard time..
It makes me sick to see him at collingwood, he loved stk....i think he actually did love robert harvey....
The real question is, why did he want to leave???
Money only..... Well a 50% pay cut would be baulked at by most.... Minimal game time.... Perhaps.... Getting ignored in the 09 grand final... Likely
I said in the 09 off season, the decision to get rid of (or not retain) ball, maguire, clarke..... Would hurt the fabric of the club.... I stand by that.
Its not like we got compensated
Reality says
We got lovett for ball and #16...... although thats not the actual trade, it worked out that way
We got jesse smith for X.Clarke
We got Will Johnson for Maguire
Take three quality humans out of an organisation.....it is always going to hurt....it also says results mean more than loyalty to players......so inturn, surely they think, their personal results mean more than loyalty to a club.
Not sure you could have picked three more popular people....maybe lenny and maxy....
It was about opportunity, and playing the role HE wanted to play.
Engine room he now is, second guy helping out in this role he is no longer.
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Anyone who goes out of their way to play for a club like Collingwood must be some sort of rodent...full stop.
This may sound a bit irrational to some...but not to those who have been around a while and know the club.
Ball must have known how much it would hurt his supporters to not only leave but to a club so universally disliked....he will be remembered as just another mercenary rat.
This may sound a bit irrational to some...but not to those who have been around a while and know the club.
Ball must have known how much it would hurt his supporters to not only leave but to a club so universally disliked....he will be remembered as just another mercenary rat.
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A club is more than the guys running out playing seniors for two hours on a saturday....surely you know this....the fabric runs far deeper, and is only really tested in tough times, thats when character comes to the fore....
On the trade
Last year it hit us smack bang in the face, with NO greater example....
We struggled in the clearances, collingwood improved......we lost the gf....collingwood won..... Ball had hos best season for years, we missed him....he is getting better, we lost lenny....
Ffs, it is almost comical
Collingwood are still at the top, we are near the bottom
On the trade
Last year it hit us smack bang in the face, with NO greater example....
We struggled in the clearances, collingwood improved......we lost the gf....collingwood won..... Ball had hos best season for years, we missed him....he is getting better, we lost lenny....
Ffs, it is almost comical
Collingwood are still at the top, we are near the bottom
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yep, he would have known full well it would be an insult to the club and fans alike to go there. it almost seemed out of spite.The Fireman wrote:Anyone who goes out of their way to play for a club like Collingwood must be some sort of rodent...full stop.
anyway, F*** HIM! he can join the "not welcome back" list as far as i'm concerned.
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Yeah, ball was a dog.....
Carried himself like a total c**k sucker, whilst a saint, never did squat for us....such a sub-human
Just won a b&f, led the tackle count for tjree years and played a whole season with op......
He was dead rigjt to go to collingwood, he made the correct decision, he was not getting the respect he deserved at stk.
We f***ed up, simple. It has been proven in NO uncertain terms
Carried himself like a total c**k sucker, whilst a saint, never did squat for us....such a sub-human
Just won a b&f, led the tackle count for tjree years and played a whole season with op......
He was dead rigjt to go to collingwood, he made the correct decision, he was not getting the respect he deserved at stk.
We f***ed up, simple. It has been proven in NO uncertain terms
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to leave and go to Collingwood ......CorrectBigMart wrote:Yeah, ball was a dog.....
I can see your sarcasm but wasted here.BigMart wrote: Carried himself like a total c**k sucker, whilst a saint, never did squat for us....such a sub-human
Yep and good on him just like so many Saint champs before him but who stayed with the club through thick and thin..(not to mention how much the club carried him through the down time due to his OP probs)BigMart wrote: Just won a b&f, led the tackle count for tjree years and played a whole season with op......
I now question your loyalty to the club. With due respect Bigmart...I find your response ordinary.BigMart wrote: He was dead rigjt to go to collingwood, he made the correct decision, he was not getting the respect he deserved at stk.
Hard to keep a bloke with mercenary tendencies , Plugger for EG.BigMart wrote: We f***ed up, simple. It has been proven in NO uncertain terms
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Points noted, however, there is no voice of reason when it concerns being a one-eyed footy supporter.BigMart wrote:Yeah, ball was a dog.....
Carried himself like a total c**k sucker, whilst a saint, never did squat for us....such a sub-human
Just won a b&f, led the tackle count for tjree years and played a whole season with op......
He was dead rigjt to go to collingwood, he made the correct decision, he was not getting the respect he deserved at stk.
We f***ed up, simple. It has been proven in NO uncertain terms
Sorry, I don't have the heart for diplomacy on this matter and will continue to chew on sour grapes over it whenever it's brought up.
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His hand was forced......do you actually believe, if he was offered a fair deal, in terms of renumeration, game time, opportunity he would have walked.
100% of workers (not just footballers) would walk in the same circumstances
Remember, this is tneir livelyhood, and for ten years only..... Its not just footy for them, its a career
Would you take a 50% pay cut....be honest....would you take a demotion...if you did not have to......come on, i mean seriously..
He is a class act.....supporters from 15 clubs would agree, and half stk supporters also.....playing for stk, does not make you a quality person....playing for collingwood does not make you a dog....
Niether does changing jobs if its in your best interest......
100% of workers (not just footballers) would walk in the same circumstances
Remember, this is tneir livelyhood, and for ten years only..... Its not just footy for them, its a career
Would you take a 50% pay cut....be honest....would you take a demotion...if you did not have to......come on, i mean seriously..
He is a class act.....supporters from 15 clubs would agree, and half stk supporters also.....playing for stk, does not make you a quality person....playing for collingwood does not make you a dog....
Niether does changing jobs if its in your best interest......
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whole lot of different things added up against us in the last two years, just tipped the scales of justice the wrong way at the wrong time. twice.Megsie wrote:I thought the bounce of the football right not left cost us a pemiership.
Geez i'd hate to rely on one L Ball to achieve a premiership for us.
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Lol if you tried watching some non stkilda easendon games BM you might have rated Lovett. Came off a super year for a player in his role.
Not sure if the Goose and X arguements help your case. I didn't agree with these but I reckon I was proven wrong. They have contributed next to nothing, mainly due to injury.
Not sure if the Goose and X arguements help your case. I didn't agree with these but I reckon I was proven wrong. They have contributed next to nothing, mainly due to injury.
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I think it has taken 2 seasons for the full effect of Ball leaving to affect us. Lenny and BJ had probably their best ever seasons last year and that, plus some clever compensatory tactics by the coaching staff, got us to within the bounce of a ball from winning a flag, even though we had a seriously undermanned midfield (go back and count the number of genuine midfielders in our sides towards the end of last season: I'm still astonished that we somehow scrambled our way into a GF and then almost won it. It was nigh on an act of burglary!)plugger66 wrote:That obviously had a huge effect on the players last year or does it take 2 years for the players to realise those guys had gone.
A seriously undermanned midfield with Lenny in it could still make a contest. Without Lenny it's a joke. Opposition coaches have taken note and we are getting destroyed. It wouldn't be happening if Ball was in there. End of story.
I don't agree with Big Mart that losing X and Goose was a big deal. Goose might have been a little bit useful, but we'd gone for Walsh who -accoding to Drain at the time - was as good as a first round pick! Last time I looked he was still a rookie...
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The thing that really rankles about the Ball situation is not that he left, players do that. It is not that he ended up at Collingwood or that we ended up with nothing for him. It is the fact that he basically made it impossible for us to get a fair trade for him by refusing to talk to any club other than Collingwood. Other clubs were interested Melbourne, Richmond and Essendon all stated that he was a player that they would have liked but he would not even talk to them. It meant we had to deal with Collingwood only and that was with the pies in a position of strength where they did not need to offer us anything we wanted.