Tom Curren might be the only one from this years drafts, but he's only a rookie (and Polo who is injured)PJ wrote:.....Midfield is also what we need .
I don't think however we have any in and under types pushing up.
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I reckon you are closer to playing than Tom Curren. None of these young guys will help us this year. They are about 3-4 years time.MCG-Unit wrote:Tom Curren might be the only one from this years drafts, but he's only a rookie (and Polo who is injured)PJ wrote:.....Midfield is also what we need .
I don't think however we have any in and under types pushing up.
Well if they depend on me, there's totally no hope.plugger66 wrote:I reckon you are closer to playing than Tom Curren. None of these young guys will help us this year. They are about 3-4 years time.MCG-Unit wrote:Tom Curren might be the only one from this years drafts, but he's only a rookie (and Polo who is injured)PJ wrote:.....Midfield is also what we need .
I don't think however we have any in and under types pushing up.
Actually I just thought you were a star.MCG-Unit wrote:Well if they depend on me, there's totally no hope.plugger66 wrote:I reckon you are closer to playing than Tom Curren. None of these young guys will help us this year. They are about 3-4 years time.MCG-Unit wrote:Tom Curren might be the only one from this years drafts, but he's only a rookie (and Polo who is injured)PJ wrote:.....Midfield is also what we need .
I don't think however we have any in and under types pushing up.
I just meant that from what I've read and heard, Curren might be an in and under type, along with Polo, as the poster was asking.
It's a shame, I didn't know Curren was that far off P66
Ha ha not even on the brightest nightplugger66 wrote:Actually I just thought you were a star.MCG-Unit wrote:Well if they depend on me, there's totally no hope.plugger66 wrote:I reckon you are closer to playing than Tom Curren. None of these young guys will help us this year. They are about 3-4 years time.MCG-Unit wrote:Tom Curren might be the only one from this years drafts, but he's only a rookie (and Polo who is injured)PJ wrote:.....Midfield is also what we need .
I don't think however we have any in and under types pushing up.
I just meant that from what I've read and heard, Curren might be an in and under type, along with Polo, as the poster was asking.
It's a shame, I didn't know Curren was that far off P66
Cats are playing very well, a win is Subi without Selwood, Scarlett and others is significant.saintsRrising wrote:Good point.PJ wrote:Does anyone think if Schneider and Kosi were available we would have lost the first 2 games? I don't, the current panic is over the top.
But against the Cats to balance that they had no Chapman and Selwood.
How about this for sensible - We won't win the flag this year without Lenny. This is an arguable point, but let's allow this assumption to hold for a minute. If we won't win the flag, finishing 2nd or 16th, who cares? So spend 2011 getting games into kids, ushering wavering clubmen into retirement, tinkering with game plans, trying things out, experimenting, sort the men from the boys, rest Reiwoldt a bit, clear out the deadwood at the end of the year, get Gilbert and Jones to work on their kicking, and if we finish 16th - great. Not as great as in the past of course, but for draft picks better than finishing 2nd.PJ wrote:This is probably pluggers most poigniant post - if you watched the gold coast going around last night it was evident that no matter how many exceptional draft picks they had, and there were plenty, it didn't match the hardened experienced bodies that Carlton put up. If as some are suggesting (B4E) you are to introduce 6 kids we are on a road to pain and the bottom of the ladder no question.
Sensible suggestions please not histerical, emotional ranting. RL will get our team up and running have a little patience and faith.
But we would be the clearly the first after a draw and a loss by a point after playing in the GF 3 games ago. Anyway geting 10-15 games into these guys will not help because next year we will have Lenny not at his best, Milney even closer to retirment, Rooy not improving becuse of the bettering his body has copped, Fisher because of age will not improve and Dal, BJ and Joey stagnant because they probably cant improve further. Yes the young guys will be slightly better but if your stars go backwards well there is no way we would make the GF.groupie1 wrote:How about this for sensible - We won't win the flag this year without Lenny. This is an arguable point, but let's allow this assumption to hold for a minute. If we won't win the flag, finishing 2nd or 16th, who cares? So spend 2011 getting games into kids, ushering wavering clubmen into retirement, tinkering with game plans, trying things out, experimenting, sort the men from the boys, rest Reiwoldt a bit, clear out the deadwood at the end of the year, get Gilbert and Jones to work on their kicking, and if we finish 16th - great. Not as great as in the past of course, but for draft picks better than finishing 2nd.PJ wrote:This is probably pluggers most poigniant post - if you watched the gold coast going around last night it was evident that no matter how many exceptional draft picks they had, and there were plenty, it didn't match the hardened experienced bodies that Carlton put up. If as some are suggesting (B4E) you are to introduce 6 kids we are on a road to pain and the bottom of the ladder no question.
Sensible suggestions please not histerical, emotional ranting. RL will get our team up and running have a little patience and faith.
Go into 2012 with a romping pre-season hopefully without distraction, fresh experienced legs, 20-game legs in the kids, the likes of Peake and MaQ out the door, the likes of Blake and probably Baker retired after wonderful careers, slot Kenny back in and kick arse after Collingwood is hopefully a spent force, Geelong on the wane, and a resurgent St Kilda having had a 12-month mental break from the rigours of finishing 2nd two years in a row.
Does this not seem like a plan? We wouldn't be the first team in the league to go into a season thinking about the next or the next one.
Disagree. The bathwater's gone and won't be back until 2012. No reason not to throw the baby out with it and get games into young legs.AnythingsPossibleSaints wrote:+ 1. It's not quite time to throw the baby out with the bathwater just yet.eppo67 wrote:Not a total rebuild ATM but 2 to 4 new faces can do wonders to refresh a team. So if Cripps, Ledger, Winmar, Steven & Stanley etc can come on a bit you could see a real different looking team in 6 weeks from now. But Ross needs to bite the bullet and commit to playing these players now and we need to move on from Peake, Mini, Dempster.
That's what Collingwood did after we beat them in round 3 2010 and lets face it the players Malthouse left out, Lockyer, O'Bree & Medhurst etc. would still be getting a game at St.Kida now under RL or at least they definately would have last year.
So I agree with your point Plugger not a total rebuild but I think we need a 'mini refresh' (could be a new Rossism')
We need to win at least one of the next 3, though, and be improving noticeably over those weeks, to still be a chance this year.