Stats without Reiwoldt

[saintsRrising]

Take those guys out - and frankly we're pretty shiit.

Hey is this the no Chapman no Geelong thread?

If he had not played in the GF the Saints would have won....

[Teflon]

the other thing i read into those stats is that we might be missing luke ball more than i thought we would.

agreed.

i think it's as simple as st kilda being short one a-grade midfielder, thanks to a disappointing off-season. either ball or lovett would have been that midfielder. different roles, but it's about having enough numbers to share the load.

now we're battling to get one more player up to standard - armo or geary or eddy or mcqualter or peake or steven or even ray - but none of those are currently playing as first choice a-grade mids. and some never will be.

It isn't the roles and structures that have made us hard to beat - it's the individual brilliance of the players in those roles that have carried us.

Strange.

When I read what supposed opposition experts have to say about the difficulty in beating St Kilda - to a man - they all state that "their structures are so strong and they hold to them regardless of personnell"

But you reckon its all cause we've got 1 genius player called Nick Riewoldt......

I'm sure the answer lies in between but once again in your chicken and egg logic but that'd go to close to giving the coach credit for building a system that works.

Sure we miss a great player - but to suggest that all our recent wins have been purely personnell driven is simplistic...again.

[plugger66]

Why do people anser RF. You are just feeding him. Make him answer some questions for a change and actually see if he has any idea about the game. I doubt he has a brain in his head at all for footy.

[rodgerfox]

the other thing i read into those stats is that we might be missing luke ball more than i thought we would.

agreed.

i think it's as simple as st kilda being short one a-grade midfielder, thanks to a disappointing off-season. either ball or lovett would have been that midfielder. different roles, but it's about having enough numbers to share the load.

now we're battling to get one more player up to standard - armo or geary or eddy or mcqualter or peake or steven or even ray - but none of those are currently playing as first choice a-grade mids. and some never will be.

It isn't the roles and structures that have made us hard to beat - it's the individual brilliance of the players in those roles that have carried us.

Strange.

When I read what supposed opposition experts have to say about the difficulty in beating St Kilda - to a man - they all state that "their structures are so strong and they hold to them regardless of personnell"

But you reckon its all cause we've got 1 genius player called Nick Riewoldt......

I'm sure the answer lies in between but once again in your chicken and egg logic but that'd go to close to giving the coach credit for building a system that works.

Sure we miss a great player - but to suggest that all our recent wins have been purely personnell driven is simplistic...again.

The structures are great when stars are playing in the key roles.

Take the stars out - or only 1 or 2 of them and hey presto the structures don't hold up.

Funny that.

[Teflon]

the other thing i read into those stats is that we might be missing luke ball more than i thought we would.

agreed.

i think it's as simple as st kilda being short one a-grade midfielder, thanks to a disappointing off-season. either ball or lovett would have been that midfielder. different roles, but it's about having enough numbers to share the load.

now we're battling to get one more player up to standard - armo or geary or eddy or mcqualter or peake or steven or even ray - but none of those are currently playing as first choice a-grade mids. and some never will be.

It isn't the roles and structures that have made us hard to beat - it's the individual brilliance of the players in those roles that have carried us.

Strange.

When I read what supposed opposition experts have to say about the difficulty in beating St Kilda - to a man - they all state that "their structures are so strong and they hold to them regardless of personnell"

But you reckon its all cause we've got 1 genius player called Nick Riewoldt......

I'm sure the answer lies in between but once again in your chicken and egg logic but that'd go to close to giving the coach credit for building a system that works.

Sure we miss a great player - but to suggest that all our recent wins have been purely personnell driven is simplistic...again.

The structures are great when stars are playing in the key roles.

Take the stars out - or only 1 or 2 of them and hey presto the structures don't hold up.

Funny that.

why?

we are 5-2 and have beaten the so called magpie may premiers without our star player. Infact weve beaten the top 2 sides without our superstar....yet the structures held?

Its obvious you need your talented players on the park to win games of football - take Pavlich from Freo and see how they struggle. I dont think there is anything new in this. I also believe our list contains more B graders than Cats/Dogs yet in the past 2 years weve beaten both with the likes of Jones, Dawson, Gwilt, Mqualter, Clarke, Geary et all being regular contributors.

[dcstkfc]

When you can't mark the ball inside 50, then the opposition are going to get it more often, and then rebound it out more easily.

Teams weren't able to get it out as easily last year quite simply because we'd be having shots at goal, and even if we missed we'd have time to get our defensive setups right.

Without Roo, when we are on the attack we might lose some of our structure but whereas last year we would kick scores so we'd have time to get them back right, this year we're not scoring so the opposition particularly Carlton and Freo can rebound without as much offensive pressure.

Simply we need someone to kick to who can take a grab.

[rexy]

When you can't mark the ball inside 50, then the opposition are going to get it more often, and then rebound it out more easily.

Teams weren't able to get it out as easily last year quite simply because we'd be having shots at goal, and even if we missed we'd have time to get our defensive setups right.

Without Roo, when we are on the attack we might lose some of our structure but whereas last year we would kick scores so we'd have time to get them back right, this year we're not scoring so the opposition particularly Carlton and Freo can rebound without as much offensive pressure.

Simply we need someone to kick to who can take a grab.

Or we need to kick it to someone who is in a position to take a grab, there is a difference, is the forward line stuffed or has the entry ball been awful.

[VietNam_Saint]

Take those guys out - and frankly we're pretty shiit.

Hey is this the no Chapman no Geelong thread?

If he had not played in the GF the Saints would have won....

Dunno wot game you were watching mate ,, didn't matter who Geelong had in their side ,, they didn't win that game.

St Kilda lost it.

[plugger66]

Take those guys out - and frankly we're pretty shiit.

Hey is this the no Chapman no Geelong thread?

If he had not played in the GF the Saints would have won....

Dunno wot game you were watching mate ,, didn't matter who Geelong had in their side ,, they didn't win that game.

St Kilda lost it.

Pretty sure it say premiers 2009 Geelong.

[kalsaint]

the other thing i read into those stats is that we might be missing luke ball more than i thought we would.

agreed.

i think it's as simple as st kilda being short one a-grade midfielder, thanks to a disappointing off-season. either ball or lovett would have been that midfielder. different roles, but it's about having enough numbers to share the load.

now we're battling to get one more player up to standard - armo or geary or eddy or mcqualter or peake or steven or even ray - but none of those are currently playing as first choice a-grade mids. and some never will be.

I think 2 A grade midfielders. One that gets the ball out to others the orher who is a good mix of insde and outside skills.

Our other midfielders are spending more time in defence and out small forwards also are at midfield to half back. They need to be forward where forward pressure caused turnovers and a high perventage of our score.

When Roo and Kosi were both forward this provided double the opportunity to those small forwards. Now they are relying on running from the midfield to get goals and this is under pressure / duress.

No wonder we are not scoring. The pressure around the clearances needs to be better and midfield clearances need to be cleaner to be more effective.