were we too quick to get rid of goose?

[Enrico_Misso]

Personally I can't see Goose ever getting back to where he was pre the broken leg.
He struggled all last year at Sandy.
At best he might fill a hole.
But he is not a long term solution.

Having said that I respect Russell Holmesby.
He is a lot more than "just a supporter".
He is our club historian and knows a lot more about footy than most posters on this site.

[stinger]

He is our club historian and knows a lot more about footy than most posters on this site.

well...his record is certainly better than the poster who believes he has no more cred that any poster on ss with an opposing view...ffs....imhfo that is.......

[plugger66]

Personally I can't see Goose ever getting back to where he was pre the broken leg.
He struggled all last year at Sandy.
At best he might fill a hole.
But he is not a long term solution.

Having said that I respect Russell Holmesby.
He is a lot more than "just a supporter".
He is our club historian and knows a lot more about footy than most posters on this site.

Because he knows our history, He knows more about our current players and club than most posters on this site. Can I ask why the hell would he. He is talking about a player who played all last year in the seconds and knowing Russell very well, i can honestly say he would have seen no more than 2 seconds games all year so what would he know about Goose that many others who see Sandy a lot not know about Goose.

I will say it again he is a supporter with an opinion that wouldnt have any better take on our current players than most people on this site.

[degruch]

Personally I can't see Goose ever getting back to where he was pre the broken leg.
He struggled all last year at Sandy.
At best he might fill a hole.
But he is not a long term solution.

Having said that I respect Russell Holmesby.
He is a lot more than "just a supporter".
He is our club historian and knows a lot more about footy than most posters on this site.

Never heard of him. Is he plugger66, stinger or Barks4Ever?

[plugger66]

Personally I can't see Goose ever getting back to where he was pre the broken leg.
He struggled all last year at Sandy.
At best he might fill a hole.
But he is not a long term solution.

Having said that I respect Russell Holmesby.
He is a lot more than "just a supporter".
He is our club historian and knows a lot more about footy than most posters on this site.

Never heard of him. Is he plugger66, stinger or Barks4Ever?

He is very loud and swears a lot at the footy. Which one is he.

P.S He is also a very good guy IMO but he does get people off side.

[stinger]

I will say it again he is a supporter with an opinion that wouldnt have any better take on our current players than most people on this site.

no...that's not what you said the first time.....you said he doesn't have anymore credibility than posters on here that said goose should have gone...that is plainly bullsh!t imhfo...he has a lot more credibility......


...here's your exact quote...


"
He is a supporter with an opinion. Doesnt have any more credibility than people on here who think Goose should have gone.'





....don't suppose you will admit it though.....

[plugger66]

I will say it again he is a supporter with an opinion that wouldnt have any better take on our current players than most people on this site.

no...that's not what you said the first time.....you said he doesn't have anymore credibility than posters on here that said goose should have gone...that is plainly bullsh!t imhfo...he has a lot more credibility......

Why is that? Because he knows our history? How many games did he see Goose play last year?

[stinger]

Personally I can't see Goose ever getting back to where he was pre the broken leg.
He struggled all last year at Sandy.
At best he might fill a hole.
But he is not a long term solution.

Having said that I respect Russell Holmesby.
He is a lot more than "just a supporter".
He is our club historian and knows a lot more about footy than most posters on this site.

Never heard of him. Is he plugger66, stinger or Barks4Ever?

well...you are just showing your ignorance....once again.........who's surprised.... ...only joking mate......bet you are too......

[stinger]

I will say it again he is a supporter with an opinion that wouldnt have any better take on our current players than most people on this site.

no...that's not what you said the first time.....you said he doesn't have anymore credibility than posters on here that said goose should have gone...that is plainly bullsh!t imhfo...he has a lot more credibility......

Why is that? Because he knows our history? How many games did he see Goose play last year?

you just don't get it do you???? ...

[plugger66]

I will say it again he is a supporter with an opinion that wouldnt have any better take on our current players than most people on this site.

no...that's not what you said the first time.....you said he doesn't have anymore credibility than posters on here that said goose should have gone...that is plainly bullsh!t imhfo...he has a lot more credibility......

Why is that? Because he knows our history? How many games did he see Goose play last year?

you just don't get it do you???? ...

No I dont. i want you to explain to me why a person who hardly saw Goose play last year has more credibility on whether Goose should have stayed or not than people on this site.

[stinger]

wanting and getting are two very very different matters......didn't your mummy explain that to you ???

[plugger66]

wanting and getting are two very very different matters......didn't your mummy explain that to you ???

In other words you havent got a reason. Thought as much.

[markp]

No I dont. i want you to explain to me why a person who hardly saw Goose play last year has more credibility on whether Goose should have stayed or not than people on this site.

Because he backs up stinger's argument?

[degruch]

Personally I can't see Goose ever getting back to where he was pre the broken leg.
He struggled all last year at Sandy.
At best he might fill a hole.
But he is not a long term solution.

Having said that I respect Russell Holmesby.
He is a lot more than "just a supporter".
He is our club historian and knows a lot more about footy than most posters on this site.

Never heard of him. Is he plugger66, stinger or Barks4Ever?

well...you are just showing your ignorance....once again.........who's surprised.... ...only joking mate......bet you are too......

Who knows?

Actually, I'm not sure I've come across him before, only mentioned on this forum.

Hmmm...credibility is an odd thing. Do you gain credibility by being taking the popularist line? Behaving in a sage like manner? Being the funniest? The loudest? Buying everyone drinks? Its a subjective thing.

Certainly, from a cultural perspective, knowing a lot about the club holds you in very high stead. But does it mean you know anything about game play, can read a player's, coaches psyche, can take in the big picture, has excellent observational skills or any other aspect of an issue that may affect your ability to form an accurate opinion? Anyone's opinion can be credible.

[Enrico_Misso]

I've seen more AFL games than Baldock,
So therfore I must be a better judge than The Doc

[stinger]

Personally I can't see Goose ever getting back to where he was pre the broken leg.
He struggled all last year at Sandy.
At best he might fill a hole.
But he is not a long term solution.

Having said that I respect Russell Holmesby.
He is a lot more than "just a supporter".
He is our club historian and knows a lot more about footy than most posters on this site.

Never heard of him. Is he plugger66, stinger or Barks4Ever?

well...you are just showing your ignorance....once again.........who's surprised.... ...only joking mate......bet you are too......

Who knows?

Actually, I'm not sure I've come across him before, only mentioned on this forum.

Hmmm...credibility is an odd thing. Do you gain credibility by being taking the popularist line? Behaving in a sage like manner? Being the funniest? The loudest? Buying everyone drinks? Its a subjective thing.

Certainly, from a cultural perspective, knowing a lot about the club holds you in very high stead. But does it mean you know anything about game play, can read a player's, coaches psyche, can take in the big picture, has excellent observational skills or any other aspect of an issue that may affect your ability to form an accurate opinion? Anyone's opinion can be credible.

never read the book....."the point of it all"......or..."heroes with halos"....st kilda's one hundred greatest .....or read" inside football.'


my......your education of all things saintly is sadly lacking ffs..........you poor thing.....

[plugger66]

I've seen more AFL games than Baldock,
So therfore I must be a better judge than The Doc

If you saw Goose a lot more than Baldock last year then you would be a better judge on Goose than even the Baldock. it isnt that hard to understand.

Why is Holmesby a better judge about goose. Is it because he knows who played in 1901?

[degruch]

Personally I can't see Goose ever getting back to where he was pre the broken leg.
He struggled all last year at Sandy.
At best he might fill a hole.
But he is not a long term solution.

Having said that I respect Russell Holmesby.
He is a lot more than "just a supporter".
He is our club historian and knows a lot more about footy than most posters on this site.

Never heard of him. Is he plugger66, stinger or Barks4Ever?

well...you are just showing your ignorance....once again.........who's surprised.... ...only joking mate......bet you are too......

Who knows?

Actually, I'm not sure I've come across him before, only mentioned on this forum.

Hmmm...credibility is an odd thing. Do you gain credibility by being taking the popularist line? Behaving in a sage like manner? Being the funniest? The loudest? Buying everyone drinks? Its a subjective thing.

Certainly, from a cultural perspective, knowing a lot about the club holds you in very high stead. But does it mean you know anything about game play, can read a player's, coaches psyche, can take in the big picture, has excellent observational skills or any other aspect of an issue that may affect your ability to form an accurate opinion? Anyone's opinion can be credible.

never read the book....."the point of it all"......or..."heroes with halos"....st kilda's one hundred greatest .....or read" inside football.'


my......your education of all things saintly is sadly lacking ffs..........you poor thing.....

You're probably right, I'm not that much of a tragic (probably due to living in SA most of my life ), but it doesn't make my opinion any less credible than some so-called footy experts IMO, as I'm observant and able to form an opinion not clouded by emotion...plus I'm not paid to make s*** up.

Besides, with no Saints supporters within 800kms of me all my life, I've been able to make up my mind for myself, without the press, my mates, my family or footy forums to taint my opinion...until now!

[stinger]

You're probably right, I'm not that much of a tragic (probably due to living in SA most of my life ), but it doesn't make my opinion any less credible than some so-called footy experts IMO, as I'm observant and able to form an opinion not clouded by emotion...plus I'm not paid to make s*** up.
!

well.....sorry...but he has credibility with me...whereas most journos don't.........but then again plugga also has zero credibility with me....as has many posters on here.......i do however respect certain posters opinions.......for example....marto and saints rising ..the jury's still out on you.

[degruch]

You're probably right, I'm not that much of a tragic (probably due to living in SA most of my life ), but it doesn't make my opinion any less credible than some so-called footy experts IMO, as I'm observant and able to form an opinion not clouded by emotion...plus I'm not paid to make s*** up.
!

well.....sorry...but he has credibility with me...whereas most journos don't.........but then again plugga also has zero credibility with me....as has many posters on here.......i do however respect certain posters opinions.......for example....marto and saints rising ..the jury's still out on you.

The jury? How many voices have you got in your head? Hey, I've learnt a bit from posters opinions on this forum, and I'd sure hope it has worked the other way around too, can't write anyone off 100% of the time...even p66 and RF have written stuff on here I've agreed with! Once or twice, even you!!! Don't write anyone off all the time sting.

Anyway, I'm not comparing my 'credibility' to anyone...wouldn't be wasting my time on here if I was. I'm not 'footy smart' (or vain) enough to start a blog about it, I'm happy to be a stand alone expert when it comes to 'my' club (just ask me) and I don't need to check that with anyone else.

[stinger]

You're probably right, I'm not that much of a tragic (probably due to living in SA most of my life ), but it doesn't make my opinion any less credible than some so-called footy experts IMO, as I'm observant and able to form an opinion not clouded by emotion...plus I'm not paid to make s*** up.
!

well.....sorry...but he has credibility with me...whereas most journos don't.........but then again plugga also has zero credibility with me....as has many posters on here.......i do however respect certain posters opinions.......for example....marto and saints rising ..the jury's still out on you.

The jury? How many voices have you got in your head? Hey, I've learnt a bit from posters opinions on this forum, and I'd sure hope it has worked the other way around too, can't write anyone off 100% of the time...even p66 and RF have written stuff on here I've agreed with! Once or twice, even you!!! Don't write anyone off all the time sting.

Anyway, I'm not comparing my 'credibility' to anyone...wouldn't be wasting my time on here if I was. I'm not 'footy smart' (or vain) enough to start a blog about it, I'm happy to be a stand alone expert when it comes to 'my' club (just ask me) and I don't need to check that with anyone else.

fair comment......apart from the one 'bout plugga that is.....

[degruch]

You're probably right, I'm not that much of a tragic (probably due to living in SA most of my life ), but it doesn't make my opinion any less credible than some so-called footy experts IMO, as I'm observant and able to form an opinion not clouded by emotion...plus I'm not paid to make s*** up.
!

well.....sorry...but he has credibility with me...whereas most journos don't.........but then again plugga also has zero credibility with me....as has many posters on here.......i do however respect certain posters opinions.......for example....marto and saints rising ..the jury's still out on you.

The jury? How many voices have you got in your head? Hey, I've learnt a bit from posters opinions on this forum, and I'd sure hope it has worked the other way around too, can't write anyone off 100% of the time...even p66 and RF have written stuff on here I've agreed with! Once or twice, even you!!! Don't write anyone off all the time sting.

Anyway, I'm not comparing my 'credibility' to anyone...wouldn't be wasting my time on here if I was. I'm not 'footy smart' (or vain) enough to start a blog about it, I'm happy to be a stand alone expert when it comes to 'my' club (just ask me) and I don't need to check that with anyone else.

fair comment......apart from the one 'bout plugga that is.....

Well...occasionally...when he does form an opinion, instead of counteracting posters opinions with annoying one-liners (*casts line*).

[Goose is king]

Lets get goose back next year.

Goose is King

[maverick]

This thread is very clear to me.

The people that idolise players and the romanticism of all things St Kilda can't let Goose, Bally, or even Maxy go....fair enough...

The people that regularly watched Goose play and train last year have let us know their opinion, and all of them seem to agree, he is struggling....

I still remember him before the last injury, I thought he was struggling big time then, shame, he had loads to offer early on, I still think CHF was his go...but I will never know....

From my eyes, he could never hold down a key back position for us, plays too small and too clumsy for my liking....

I wish him luck at the Lions though, same for X....

[johnpeterbudgefanclub]

Think in all honesty a fair assessment and appraisal of whether a good or bad decision was made should be done at years' end or even next year.

Hypothetical - Goose BOG rounds 1 - 4, then round 5 season ending, possibly career ending injury?

NAB Cup/Escort Cup/Ansett Cup form = encouraging but not the form to base an entire decision on.