But that's what I'm suspecting. It doesn't make it the right choice and I'm not trying to justify it. I'd love to know more of what's going on, because simply put I just find it extraordinary that a player of Balls calibre could ever find himself in this position. I'm more than willing to accept a heart-felt apology from him! I won't be banging any nails into his crucifix! Dearly love him to stay!plugger66 wrote:.St. Luke wrote:Did I say he was a dumbar$e?? And obviously you understand the pressures that have been placed on Ball?? Please enlighten me so that I can have a better understanding.plugger66 wrote:Yep Luke Ball isnt smart enough to make up his own mind.St. Luke wrote:I think Ball has made a massive mistake, and for whatever reason he made it, it's going to cost him heavily. I think his manager has taken advantage of a player who's had a tough year and grabbed him during a highly emotional time. Had all of this happened a month after the GF it probably would never have happened. I'm still surprised Ball wanted/wants to leave, I'm also amazed there isn't more transperancy about why this has happened? I refuse to believe RL has been unfair to any player either.
I have a feeling Bally wouldnt take notice of anyone but himself and family unless you think a manager would make him do something he didnt want to really do.
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Skeptic, the LB side of the fence has done little to cover itself in any glory. It's only reasonable that people speculate in circs where the facts of the matter are damning.
Like I said, other than some kneejerk stuff on day one (myself included, I concede) I reckon people on the whole are fairly pragmatic about it. If he wants to go, he should go. If he wants to stay, he'd better improve. And if he wants to put himself in the lap of the PSD gods, well, christ help him.
But that said, I don't begrudge any fan of SKFC their chance to react emotively to what went down.
The whole thing was pretty s*** from whoa to go.
If I was LB's PR dude, I would be taking a leaf out of X's book and making some kind of statement. Nut one out with RL if need be. Anything is better than nothing. Nothing just makes him seem like a selfish mercenary. He's probably not, of course. He's probably nothing more than a willing participant in a game that went horribly wrong.
Still, a simple: Look, I wasn't getting game time; the coaching staff told me why; I went away and did my best; I love the club but I reckon my furture's elsewhere...' OR 'This was all really more complicated than people realise, I love the club, and I want to see if we can stitch a deal together.' or whatever.
I mean surely that's better than coming across a complete wally who's either really naive, really full of himself, or an absolute puppet of his manager?
Like I said, other than some kneejerk stuff on day one (myself included, I concede) I reckon people on the whole are fairly pragmatic about it. If he wants to go, he should go. If he wants to stay, he'd better improve. And if he wants to put himself in the lap of the PSD gods, well, christ help him.
But that said, I don't begrudge any fan of SKFC their chance to react emotively to what went down.
The whole thing was pretty s*** from whoa to go.
If I was LB's PR dude, I would be taking a leaf out of X's book and making some kind of statement. Nut one out with RL if need be. Anything is better than nothing. Nothing just makes him seem like a selfish mercenary. He's probably not, of course. He's probably nothing more than a willing participant in a game that went horribly wrong.
Still, a simple: Look, I wasn't getting game time; the coaching staff told me why; I went away and did my best; I love the club but I reckon my furture's elsewhere...' OR 'This was all really more complicated than people realise, I love the club, and I want to see if we can stitch a deal together.' or whatever.
I mean surely that's better than coming across a complete wally who's either really naive, really full of himself, or an absolute puppet of his manager?
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I think it's a very good point that the players would be angry with another player who, in the most important week of their footballing lives, knew he was going somewhere else.
For this team, that is as close to unforgiveable as it gets, I'd say.
Question:
Would this all be happening if we had WON the Grand Final?
And if your answer is NO - what does that say about Luke Ball's mode of operation, and his willingness for our 2010 campaign?
For this team, that is as close to unforgiveable as it gets, I'd say.
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And if your answer is NO - what does that say about Luke Ball's mode of operation, and his willingness for our 2010 campaign?
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Like I said, other than some kneejerk stuff on day one (myself included, I concede) I reckon people on the whole are fairly pragmatic about it. If he wants to go, he should go. If he wants to stay, he'd better improve. And if he wants to put himself in the lap of the PSD gods, well, christ help him.
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THat sums it up for me.
Like I said, other than some kneejerk stuff on day one (myself included, I concede) I reckon people on the whole are fairly pragmatic about it. If he wants to go, he should go. If he wants to stay, he'd better improve. And if he wants to put himself in the lap of the PSD gods, well, christ help him.
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THat sums it up for me.
Why is he apologising. He may think he needs to go to another club to get a game. Shame on him.St. Luke wrote:But that's what I'm suspecting. It doesn't make it the right choice and I'm not trying to justify it. I'd love to know more of what's going on, because simply put I just find it extraordinary that a player of Balls calibre could ever find himself in this position. I'm more than willing to accept a heart-felt apology from him! I won't be banging any nails into his crucifix! Dearly love him to stay!plugger66 wrote:.St. Luke wrote:Did I say he was a dumbar$e?? And obviously you understand the pressures that have been placed on Ball?? Please enlighten me so that I can have a better understanding.plugger66 wrote:Yep Luke Ball isnt smart enough to make up his own mind.St. Luke wrote:I think Ball has made a massive mistake, and for whatever reason he made it, it's going to cost him heavily. I think his manager has taken advantage of a player who's had a tough year and grabbed him during a highly emotional time. Had all of this happened a month after the GF it probably would never have happened. I'm still surprised Ball wanted/wants to leave, I'm also amazed there isn't more transperancy about why this has happened? I refuse to believe RL has been unfair to any player either.
I have a feeling Bally wouldnt take notice of anyone but himself and family unless you think a manager would make him do something he didnt want to really do.
No shame on him at all for that.plugger66 wrote:Why is he apologising. He may think he needs to go to another club to get a game. Shame on him.St. Luke wrote:But that's what I'm suspecting. It doesn't make it the right choice and I'm not trying to justify it. I'd love to know more of what's going on, because simply put I just find it extraordinary that a player of Balls calibre could ever find himself in this position. I'm more than willing to accept a heart-felt apology from him! I won't be banging any nails into his crucifix! Dearly love him to stay!plugger66 wrote:.St. Luke wrote:Did I say he was a dumbar$e?? And obviously you understand the pressures that have been placed on Ball?? Please enlighten me so that I can have a better understanding.plugger66 wrote:Yep Luke Ball isnt smart enough to make up his own mind.St. Luke wrote:I think Ball has made a massive mistake, and for whatever reason he made it, it's going to cost him heavily. I think his manager has taken advantage of a player who's had a tough year and grabbed him during a highly emotional time. Had all of this happened a month after the GF it probably would never have happened. I'm still surprised Ball wanted/wants to leave, I'm also amazed there isn't more transperancy about why this has happened? I refuse to believe RL has been unfair to any player either.
I have a feeling Bally wouldnt take notice of anyone but himself and family unless you think a manager would make him do something he didnt want to really do.
But the fact that he lined up in our GF team with this knowledge is, I'd suggest, not great. Luke's commitment to the 2010 Saints campaign now seems like it's been tenuous for some time.
And - what if we had won? Would he have just accepted the ride?
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Didnt seem to effect players at Melbourne Storm. Do you think it effected his performance. He had his best game for 15 weeks.Quixote wrote:No shame on him at all for that.plugger66 wrote:Why is he apologising. He may think he needs to go to another club to get a game. Shame on him.St. Luke wrote:But that's what I'm suspecting. It doesn't make it the right choice and I'm not trying to justify it. I'd love to know more of what's going on, because simply put I just find it extraordinary that a player of Balls calibre could ever find himself in this position. I'm more than willing to accept a heart-felt apology from him! I won't be banging any nails into his crucifix! Dearly love him to stay!plugger66 wrote:.St. Luke wrote:Did I say he was a dumbar$e?? And obviously you understand the pressures that have been placed on Ball?? Please enlighten me so that I can have a better understanding.plugger66 wrote:Yep Luke Ball isnt smart enough to make up his own mind.St. Luke wrote:I think Ball has made a massive mistake, and for whatever reason he made it, it's going to cost him heavily. I think his manager has taken advantage of a player who's had a tough year and grabbed him during a highly emotional time. Had all of this happened a month after the GF it probably would never have happened. I'm still surprised Ball wanted/wants to leave, I'm also amazed there isn't more transperancy about why this has happened? I refuse to believe RL has been unfair to any player either.
I have a feeling Bally wouldnt take notice of anyone but himself and family unless you think a manager would make him do something he didnt want to really do.
But the fact that he lined up in our GF team with this knowledge is, I'd suggest, not great. Luke's commitment to the 2010 Saints campaign now seems like it's been tenuous for some time.
And - what if we had won? Would he have just accepted the ride?
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Well i'd be apologizing if I'd have done a Luke Ball on both his team-mates and fans alike. It's the least he could give anyone. Maybe I'm just a mug, but there are grounds that should be made up for common decency. I'd be apologizing! Not hard to understand why IMHO
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apologise!!!St. Luke wrote:Well i'd be apologizing if I'd have done a Luke Ball on both his team-mates and fans alike. It's the least he could give anyone. Maybe I'm just a mug, but there are grounds that should be made up for common decency. I'd be apologizing! Not hard to understand why IMHO
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Why do you think he should be apologising
So you reckon he should have been left out purely because he was having contract issues with the Club? Even if, with the inclement weather, RL thought him in our best 22?? For a GRAND FINAL???Quixote wrote:No shame on him at all for that.plugger66 wrote:Why is he apologising. He may think he needs to go to another club to get a game. Shame on him.St. Luke wrote:But that's what I'm suspecting. It doesn't make it the right choice and I'm not trying to justify it. I'd love to know more of what's going on, because simply put I just find it extraordinary that a player of Balls calibre could ever find himself in this position. I'm more than willing to accept a heart-felt apology from him! I won't be banging any nails into his crucifix! Dearly love him to stay!plugger66 wrote:.St. Luke wrote:Did I say he was a dumbar$e?? And obviously you understand the pressures that have been placed on Ball?? Please enlighten me so that I can have a better understanding.plugger66 wrote:Yep Luke Ball isnt smart enough to make up his own mind.St. Luke wrote:I think Ball has made a massive mistake, and for whatever reason he made it, it's going to cost him heavily. I think his manager has taken advantage of a player who's had a tough year and grabbed him during a highly emotional time. Had all of this happened a month after the GF it probably would never have happened. I'm still surprised Ball wanted/wants to leave, I'm also amazed there isn't more transperancy about why this has happened? I refuse to believe RL has been unfair to any player either.
I have a feeling Bally wouldnt take notice of anyone but himself and family unless you think a manager would make him do something he didnt want to really do.
But the fact that he lined up in our GF team with this knowledge is, I'd suggest, not great. Luke's commitment to the 2010 Saints campaign now seems like it's been tenuous for some time.
And - what if we had won? Would he have just accepted the ride?
Plugger has a point..plenty of NRL players sign contracts with other Clubs mid-season and play out the season with their existing clubs..often agasint the mob who will be their teammates next year
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FFS!! What are you?? Stupid?? I hope this is a sarcastic comment?? Why the friggin hell wouldn't he be apologizing??skeptic wrote:apologise!!!St. Luke wrote:Well i'd be apologizing if I'd have done a Luke Ball on both his team-mates and fans alike. It's the least he could give anyone. Maybe I'm just a mug, but there are grounds that should be made up for common decency. I'd be apologizing! Not hard to understand why IMHO
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Why do you think he should be apologising
Forget the supporters for a minute and even forget perhaps the influence of a money-hungry manager! His team-mates deserve an apology if nothing else! Seriously, you're lacking some ethics if you can't work this little matter out in your head!
If I decided to turn my back on my team-mates, for whatever reason, I'd feel as though (as the team would think) that I've let them down. You CANNOT do what Ball has done (right or wrong) to your team-mates! END OF STORY! THAT'S WHY!
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Calm down mate..but..you have a point..St. Luke wrote:FFS!! What are you?? Stupid?? I hope this is a sarcastic comment?? Why the friggin hell wouldn't he be apologizing??skeptic wrote:apologise!!!St. Luke wrote:Well i'd be apologizing if I'd have done a Luke Ball on both his team-mates and fans alike. It's the least he could give anyone. Maybe I'm just a mug, but there are grounds that should be made up for common decency. I'd be apologizing! Not hard to understand why IMHO
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Why do you think he should be apologising
Forget the supporters for a minute and even forget perhaps the influence of a money-hungry manager! His team-mates deserve an apology if nothing else! Seriously, you're lacking some ethics if you can't work this little matter out in your head!
The senior players made a pact to stick together til a flag was won. AFAIK Luke was part of that pact along with Roo. Kosi, Lenny, Dal and perhaps others. In the players eyes he will have turned his back on that pact...so an apology will be very very VERY much in order if he does come back
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saint66au wrote:Calm down mate..but..you have a point..St. Luke wrote:FFS!! What are you?? Stupid?? I hope this is a sarcastic comment?? Why the friggin hell wouldn't he be apologizing??skeptic wrote:apologise!!!St. Luke wrote:Well i'd be apologizing if I'd have done a Luke Ball on both his team-mates and fans alike. It's the least he could give anyone. Maybe I'm just a mug, but there are grounds that should be made up for common decency. I'd be apologizing! Not hard to understand why IMHO
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Why do you think he should be apologising
Forget the supporters for a minute and even forget perhaps the influence of a money-hungry manager! His team-mates deserve an apology if nothing else! Seriously, you're lacking some ethics if you can't work this little matter out in your head!
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I think the situation can be rectified. I truly hope it can as I still hold Ball in the highest esteem.
I'm imagining this scenario, he's been down in the dumps and had his football pushed under a microscope, he's been in a GF team that has just lost a Premiership in the last 5 minutes, his manager in his ear saying "you don't have to out up with this Bally, you're an A-Grade player, another team will show you the respect you deserve"....and guess what.....he's fallen for it.
YES, SPECULATION on my behalf, but not unimaginatively too far from potential reality. Because it's all speculative at the moment isn't it? The chances that Ball will remain a Saint is still speculation also. Nobody on here knows 100% what's happening, but I for one hope he stays. That's all. Surely I'm not being too unrealistic???![Confused :?](./images/smilies/icon_confused.gif)
I'm imagining this scenario, he's been down in the dumps and had his football pushed under a microscope, he's been in a GF team that has just lost a Premiership in the last 5 minutes, his manager in his ear saying "you don't have to out up with this Bally, you're an A-Grade player, another team will show you the respect you deserve"....and guess what.....he's fallen for it.
YES, SPECULATION on my behalf, but not unimaginatively too far from potential reality. Because it's all speculative at the moment isn't it? The chances that Ball will remain a Saint is still speculation also. Nobody on here knows 100% what's happening, but I for one hope he stays. That's all. Surely I'm not being too unrealistic???
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So do the club apologise to the players they have delisted last year and this year. They may have made a pact to stick together but if a player thinks he may struggle for a game the following year I dont think one player would be even slightly upset if they wanted to leave so they can get a game the next year. No apology necessary at all.saint66au wrote:Calm down mate..but..you have a point..St. Luke wrote:FFS!! What are you?? Stupid?? I hope this is a sarcastic comment?? Why the friggin hell wouldn't he be apologizing??skeptic wrote:apologise!!!St. Luke wrote:Well i'd be apologizing if I'd have done a Luke Ball on both his team-mates and fans alike. It's the least he could give anyone. Maybe I'm just a mug, but there are grounds that should be made up for common decency. I'd be apologizing! Not hard to understand why IMHO
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Why do you think he should be apologising
Forget the supporters for a minute and even forget perhaps the influence of a money-hungry manager! His team-mates deserve an apology if nothing else! Seriously, you're lacking some ethics if you can't work this little matter out in your head!
The senior players made a pact to stick together til a flag was won. AFAIK Luke was part of that pact along with Roo. Kosi, Lenny, Dal and perhaps others. In the players eyes he will have turned his back on that pact...so an apology will be very very VERY much in order if he does come back
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Are you serious?plugger66 wrote:So do the club apologise to the players they have delisted last year and this year. They may have made a pact to stick together but if a player thinks he may struggle for a game the following year I dont think one player would be even slightly upset if they wanted to leave so they can get a game the next year. No apology necessary at all.saint66au wrote:Calm down mate..but..you have a point..St. Luke wrote:FFS!! What are you?? Stupid?? I hope this is a sarcastic comment?? Why the friggin hell wouldn't he be apologizing??skeptic wrote:apologise!!!St. Luke wrote:Well i'd be apologizing if I'd have done a Luke Ball on both his team-mates and fans alike. It's the least he could give anyone. Maybe I'm just a mug, but there are grounds that should be made up for common decency. I'd be apologizing! Not hard to understand why IMHO
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Why do you think he should be apologising
Forget the supporters for a minute and even forget perhaps the influence of a money-hungry manager! His team-mates deserve an apology if nothing else! Seriously, you're lacking some ethics if you can't work this little matter out in your head!
The senior players made a pact to stick together til a flag was won. AFAIK Luke was part of that pact along with Roo. Kosi, Lenny, Dal and perhaps others. In the players eyes he will have turned his back on that pact...so an apology will be very very VERY much in order if he does come back
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If there are players that feel let down... and if Luke has misled them, then he should apologise.
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LOL I love plugger66, always playing the devils' advocate. He does it so well, sometimes I actually believe that he believes what he's saying.Milton66 wrote:Are you serious?plugger66 wrote:So do the club apologise to the players they have delisted last year and this year. They may have made a pact to stick together but if a player thinks he may struggle for a game the following year I dont think one player would be even slightly upset if they wanted to leave so they can get a game the next year. No apology necessary at all.saint66au wrote:Calm down mate..but..you have a point..St. Luke wrote:FFS!! What are you?? Stupid?? I hope this is a sarcastic comment?? Why the friggin hell wouldn't he be apologizing??skeptic wrote:apologise!!!St. Luke wrote:Well i'd be apologizing if I'd have done a Luke Ball on both his team-mates and fans alike. It's the least he could give anyone. Maybe I'm just a mug, but there are grounds that should be made up for common decency. I'd be apologizing! Not hard to understand why IMHO
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Why do you think he should be apologising
Forget the supporters for a minute and even forget perhaps the influence of a money-hungry manager! His team-mates deserve an apology if nothing else! Seriously, you're lacking some ethics if you can't work this little matter out in your head!
The senior players made a pact to stick together til a flag was won. AFAIK Luke was part of that pact along with Roo. Kosi, Lenny, Dal and perhaps others. In the players eyes he will have turned his back on that pact...so an apology will be very very VERY much in order if he does come back![]()
If there are players that feel let down... and if Luke has misled them, then he should apologise.
But I agree, Ball has some apologising to do, and work to do as well if he decides to re-sign and work his way up the pecking order.
You would think if Ross or the players had a "personal" issue with Luke, and wanted to be vindictive, Luke wouldn't have continued as a part of the leadership group until the very end of the season.
If the players are livid now, perhaps it's more about the negative publicity directed at their club....I am only surmising though.
If the players are livid now, perhaps it's more about the negative publicity directed at their club....I am only surmising though.
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Armo has a year to go, then he's off to Gold Coast.CaptainReiwoldt wrote:Its a tough one. I reckon they should ALL sit down the leadership group and just discuss all this.
When is armitage contracted for becauze i thought he was off to the GC!
We really need armo now i hope he steps up he is a great player in waiting!
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not sure how sure it is, but if it is, perhaps it's a factor in why ball and armo aren't getting the game time they otherwise might. ross wants to develop players into the team game, and needs to do so with those who will be there for the future. this is balanced against the need to win the next game.Bernard Shakey wrote:Armo has a year to go, then he's off to Gold Coast.CaptainReiwoldt wrote:Its a tough one. I reckon they should ALL sit down the leadership group and just discuss all this.
When is armitage contracted for becauze i thought he was off to the GC!
We really need armo now i hope he steps up he is a great player in waiting!
for the finals we were a better team with him in than out. as we were
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If the players feel let down he would apologise but i doubt one player would be let down by a player who clearly struggled to get a game wanting to leave. Does X apologise for leaving afterall he agreed to go to Brisbane and if for some reason he came back why does he have to apologise. These players are friends but they understand it is a business and if you cant do the business at your team you are entilted to leave.Milton66 wrote:Are you serious?plugger66 wrote:So do the club apologise to the players they have delisted last year and this year. They may have made a pact to stick together but if a player thinks he may struggle for a game the following year I dont think one player would be even slightly upset if they wanted to leave so they can get a game the next year. No apology necessary at all.saint66au wrote:Calm down mate..but..you have a point..St. Luke wrote:FFS!! What are you?? Stupid?? I hope this is a sarcastic comment?? Why the friggin hell wouldn't he be apologizing??skeptic wrote:apologise!!!St. Luke wrote:Well i'd be apologizing if I'd have done a Luke Ball on both his team-mates and fans alike. It's the least he could give anyone. Maybe I'm just a mug, but there are grounds that should be made up for common decency. I'd be apologizing! Not hard to understand why IMHO
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Why do you think he should be apologising
Forget the supporters for a minute and even forget perhaps the influence of a money-hungry manager! His team-mates deserve an apology if nothing else! Seriously, you're lacking some ethics if you can't work this little matter out in your head!
The senior players made a pact to stick together til a flag was won. AFAIK Luke was part of that pact along with Roo. Kosi, Lenny, Dal and perhaps others. In the players eyes he will have turned his back on that pact...so an apology will be very very VERY much in order if he does come back![]()
If there are players that feel let down... and if Luke has misled them, then he should apologise.