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Reincarnated explains to rodgerfox that you are asking questions you have no right getting reasons forrodgerfox wrote:In a sense, there are some worrying signs....
We got rolled twice by ordinary teams. Very ordinary even.
We all know the details, and clearly only the delusional ones could be happy about it.
But the aftermath is what is a little concerning.
Lyon was a bit pointy in his presser. Arrogant, and slightly guarded. He does this when he's struggling.
He apparently berrated the players. Why?
If we're tapering training, then surely he'd know better than anyone that they're not physically able to do what he asked them to do. So why would you get into them if that was the case?
Apparently he berrated them for not doing the basics. For being complacent. Why?
If Lyon is 'engineering losses' like people on here are suggesting, then why is he upset with the players for losing?
If the club is only looking to September, then why are the players getting berrated for poor performances in 'meaningless' games?
It's bit confusing at the moment.
And I must admit, a bit concerning.
Super post taking the high road as usualjoffaboy wrote:Exactly markp.markp wrote:Another blatant shot at our coach and another blatant troll....
If you'd seen the presser you'd know how laughable the suggestion of him being 'pointy' and arrogant are.... and no one knows what was said to the players behind closed doors.
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It is laughable to suggest he was pointy (whatever the F that means?) and arrogant.
Why is this line being pushed as fact by RF?
About the third or fourth time RF has stated as fact that Lyon was arrogant in posts.
Trying to sow the seed no doubt.
Typically poor baiting.
And I would suggest that there was more to RF not logging on for months at a time than overseas. RF would have certainly found time if we had have had some losses.
Baiting is the modis opperandi.
Dont fall for the trolling.
One of us is confused.Moods wrote:Geez, some of these statements from you Rodger are breathtakingly ignorant.rodgerfox wrote:The results are irrelevant. The performance certainly isn't.
What these two performances have highlighted, is that our game plan isn't 'genius'.
We rely on our good players to be 100% switched on. When they're not, Lyon isn't the oracle some would have you believe.
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I've read that this list coaches itself. Thanks to Blight-lotto (I think I've heard it referred to) B4Eva's grandmother wcould coach these guys to a Prelim.
Being 19-0 with a fully fit list of very, very good footballers, and having beaten every team in the comp - including one of the 'contenders' twice, means that we are biggest certainty in modern history.........
......or are we.
THe performance is NEVER irrelevent. Who cares about the spin coming rom the club all year. Performance = result. Especially if we play teams in the bottom half of the ladder. I fail to see how we could possibly of played well against North and LOSTSo yeah, we played bad on the weekend.
I've never said our game plan is flawed.Moods wrote: AS far as linking these recent performances with our game plan and then loosely tying it in with your tired old opinion that it proves that the game plan is flawed.... I'll say it again, what game plan isn't based around your best players playing well?
They all are.Moods wrote: Surely that's the point isn't it? If anything the game against the hawks proved that the game plan doesn't require our best players on the park to be successful. What the game plan requires is 100% effort by ALL players to be successful. That's something we haven't be getting. I think Geelongs' game plan is based more on the need for the best players to be out on the park - not ours.
If I was the type of person to say 'I told you so', I'd have been saying it non stop for the past 2 years. Everything I've said has come to fruition and continues to do so.Moods wrote: Your final statement reads like you are almost willing the team to fail so you can be first to say, 'I told you so.'
Clearly we've shown that we're capable. We have the talent, as we have had for the past 4 years. Getting them on the park and committed has been the only obstacle.Moods wrote: My opinion - even if the absolute wrost happens to us - and we lost Roo for the rest of the year. I'm still confident that we will win the flag. as long as the boys bring the intensity they have shown this year.
That is where you are wrong....it is not one thing but many.rodgerfox wrote:
Not rookies, not a 'modern footy dept', not depth, not ruckmen, not pace, not defence, not the coach - it's getting your players on the park, and committed.
Simple. Very simple.
Well of course.saintsRrising wrote:
That is where you are wrong....it is not one thing but many.
Good teams become good and gain success by doing most things right.
You don't win a flag by only doinone thing right.
?? That's just silly.saintsRrising wrote: I do find it very amusing though that you want to base your base on the last two weeks.
Wait till week one of the finals...
Is it???rodgerfox wrote:
, and committed.
Simple. Very simple.
Credit to him, he has delivered on what has been his strongest message all year.reincarnated wrote:Spot on, plus rehiterated early, he doesn't have to release any information he doesnt want to eitherohwhenthesaints! wrote:Ross Lyon has been far from confusing, his message (and a very consistent one at that) has been to bank the points and get the team in the best position possible come finals.
(Footy player + talent + 100% effort) x 18 = success.ohwhenthesaints! wrote:Credit to him, he has delivered on what has been his strongest message all year.reincarnated wrote:Spot on, plus rehiterated early, he doesn't have to release any information he doesnt want to eitherohwhenthesaints! wrote:Ross Lyon has been far from confusing, his message (and a very consistent one at that) has been to bank the points and get the team in the best position possible come finals.
Roger, I have disagreed with you before on this point....
"It's getting your players on the park, and committed - Simple. Very simple"
I still don't believe this is as simple as you make out, you seem to believe that Footy player + talent = Happy ever after.
I do not
OK so we agree that commitment / effort is crucially important, you believe this is player driven then?rodgerfox wrote:(Footy player + talent + 100% effort) x 18 = success.ohwhenthesaints! wrote:Credit to him, he has delivered on what has been his strongest message all year.reincarnated wrote:Spot on, plus rehiterated early, he doesn't have to release any information he doesnt want to eitherohwhenthesaints! wrote:Ross Lyon has been far from confusing, his message (and a very consistent one at that) has been to bank the points and get the team in the best position possible come finals.
Roger, I have disagreed with you before on this point....
"It's getting your players on the park, and committed - Simple. Very simple"
I still don't believe this is as simple as you make out, you seem to believe that Footy player + talent = Happy ever after.
I do not
Talent doesn't mean anything unless you're fit and putting in.
Well yes. I've been saying the same thing over and over again for the past 4-5 years.ohwhenthesaints! wrote:
OK so we agree that commitment / effort is crucially important, you believe this is player driven then?
Fortunate for us then, that we have both great leaders, and players that are responsive....rodgerfox wrote:Well yes. I've been saying the same thing over and over again for the past 4-5 years.ohwhenthesaints! wrote:
OK so we agree that commitment / effort is crucially important, you believe this is player driven then?
Player driven? Not really. Although it depends.
It comes from the coach in my opinion. If the players are mature and professional, then they are easier to 'lead'. If they're young and inexperienced, they require more 'guidance' ffrom the coach in terms of the effort and committment required.
It's why teams generally don't succeed until their core of players are around the 23-27yo mark.
It's why the great coaches are great leaders aswell - not just tacticians.
However the players must be receptive to it. It starts form the coach, and it's up to the players to take it on and run with it.
But player mindset and the expectation of what sort of committment and effort is required, definately starts with the coach.
A coach who can't get the best out of his players, is an ordinary coach. That's the difference between good coaches and ordinary ones.
err duhh... Captain Obvious why do you think they are called coaches????rodgerfox wrote:
It's why the great coaches are great leaders as well - not just tacticians.
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I reckon IF we win the flag we wont see this squib on here for months....why would you...there'd be no one to knife.rodgerfox wrote:In a sense, there are some worrying signs....
We got rolled twice by ordinary teams. Very ordinary even.
We all know the details, and clearly only the delusional ones could be happy about it.
But the aftermath is what is a little concerning.
Lyon was a bit pointy in his presser. Arrogant, and slightly guarded. He does this when he's struggling.
He apparently berrated the players. Why?
If we're tapering training, then surely he'd know better than anyone that they're not physically able to do what he asked them to do. So why would you get into them if that was the case?
Apparently he berrated them for not doing the basics. For being complacent. Why?
If Lyon is 'engineering losses' like people on here are suggesting, then why is he upset with the players for losing?
If the club is only looking to September, then why are the players getting berrated for poor performances in 'meaningless' games?
It's bit confusing at the moment.
And I must admit, a bit concerning.
It's interesting how you perceive messagesrodgerfox wrote:In a sense, there are some worrying signs....
We got rolled twice by ordinary teams. Very ordinary even.
We all know the details, and clearly only the delusional ones could be happy about it.
But the aftermath is what is a little concerning.
Lyon was a bit pointy in his presser. Arrogant, and slightly guarded. He does this when he's struggling.
He apparently berrated the players. Why?
If we're tapering training, then surely he'd know better than anyone that they're not physically able to do what he asked them to do. So why would you get into them if that was the case?
Apparently he berrated them for not doing the basics. For being complacent. Why?
If Lyon is 'engineering losses' like people on here are suggesting, then why is he upset with the players for losing?
If the club is only looking to September, then why are the players getting berrated for poor performances in 'meaningless' games?
It's bit confusing at the moment.
And I must admit, a bit concerning.
Well technically you wouldn't be running, so you wouldn't need to bounce it.gazrat wrote:how do we bounce the ball again bloke ?Your game plan could be to stuff the ball down the back of your shorts and crowd surf your way from one end of the ground to the other, and if your whole team is very talented and 110% committed - it will work.
That is my view too.Moods wrote:
BTW - With the list Roos had - I think he was a genius to extract a premiership out of them. The secret of all team sports is to get them playing as a team. Pretty sure the coach plays more than just a side role in this.
It's a cliche, but I'll back a champion team over a team of champions any day.saintsRrising wrote:That is my view too.Moods wrote: BTW - With the list Roos had - I think he was a genius to extract a premiership out of them. The secret of all team sports is to get them playing as a team. Pretty sure the coach plays more than just a side role in this.