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Raph was good? Especially in the last quarter when he turned the ball over twice with his trademark lack of decisiveness and let them back into the game when we had it iced. To all the Raph lovers on here, you're almost as offensive as the Raph-haters. Based on all the evidence of 6 seasons of waiting for him to deliver on his so-called "potential", IMO there is no way he's in our best 22. Especially when the heat is on, as it will be in September. To those who reckon he was good tonight-Please explain!
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He was fair but he does make a lot of errors. I am not sure Max is the replacement for him though. I think he will play until Depster is ready for senior footy and then Raph may be in trouble.White Winmar wrote:Raph was good? Especially in the last quarter when he turned the ball over twice with his trademark lack of decisiveness and let them back into the game when we had it iced. To all the Raph lovers on here, you're almost as offensive as the Raph-haters. Based on all the evidence of 6 seasons of waiting for him to deliver on his so-called "potential", IMO there is no way he's in our best 22. Especially when the heat is on, as it will be in September. To those who reckon he was good tonight-Please explain!
BigMart wrote:Too nervous......Raph has lost confidence....not wanting to take possesion in the last quarter (Rooke goal) is a sign that he is worried about making errors......and the fact he had 1 kick over 15m....he nurses every possesion and takes the safest option...
He was not disgraceful......not good either..
I agree 100 % thought he was far from good
Today wasn't his worst game, but unfortunately thats not a good thing.
I love his effort and that he tries, but I don't think he's in our best 22, sorry.
Its not just his own indicisiveness and turn overs, but many times his hesitant and/or unpredictable passes puts our other guys under pressure.
However if he's on the ground in the red, white and black he has my support and I'm cheering him on.
I love his effort and that he tries, but I don't think he's in our best 22, sorry.
Its not just his own indicisiveness and turn overs, but many times his hesitant and/or unpredictable passes puts our other guys under pressure.
However if he's on the ground in the red, white and black he has my support and I'm cheering him on.
Anyone who thought Raph was ordinary today didnt see Gwilts game for Sandy yesterday...THAT was ordinary.
Jaysus...do some people take notes every time Raph makes an error so they can recall it in full on here afterwards? Hells bells just as well it was dal and not Raph who ran into that open goal and missedl with 2 mins to go, someone would hve jumped the fence and lynched him![Rolling Eyes :roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Jaysus...do some people take notes every time Raph makes an error so they can recall it in full on here afterwards? Hells bells just as well it was dal and not Raph who ran into that open goal and missedl with 2 mins to go, someone would hve jumped the fence and lynched him
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I was impressed with Raph today - solid effort. I don't expect him to set the world on fire, ESPECIALLY against Geelong - but he stood up today brillaintly. One passage today I remember in particular was the last quarter, he dropped the simplest of marks and there was no way he would've been able to go back and get the ball, so rather than try and do something he KNEW he couldn't, he tapped it to the advantage of a St Kilda player (forget who) and set up a forward thrust at a CRITICAL time.
Things like that show he does have a bit of a footy brain. he wasn't terrific today, but he wasn't terrible, he wasn't even ordinary, if we were grading performances today, he gets a pass.
Things like that show he does have a bit of a footy brain. he wasn't terrific today, but he wasn't terrible, he wasn't even ordinary, if we were grading performances today, he gets a pass.
Raph was Ok today. Not great but held up very well and played a fair game.
Was a bit out of position a couple of times in marking contests and need to learn to stay down a bit more when we alreay have two contesting but generally his skills were good and worked hard without the ball.
Must have been difficult coming back into seniors and straight into that atmosphere after a few weeks in the twos.
Still he plays well in big games and today he was OK.
Was a bit out of position a couple of times in marking contests and need to learn to stay down a bit more when we alreay have two contesting but generally his skills were good and worked hard without the ball.
Must have been difficult coming back into seniors and straight into that atmosphere after a few weeks in the twos.
Still he plays well in big games and today he was OK.
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Raph's best game for the year.
But that was mainly as his others were not good.
In the main he was ok today....but at times was hesitant...and made some ordinary decisions. No one is perfecr...but he had more than his fair share.
However I would expect Lyon will show faith in him to try and build his confidence to try and get him back to his 08 finals form.
I therefore am expecting that he will be retained for the wide open spaces that will await us out West where run is important and that Max will have another weeks rest.
However Raph will need to lift...for make so mistake Dempster will soon be snapping at his heels for his place.
But that was mainly as his others were not good.
In the main he was ok today....but at times was hesitant...and made some ordinary decisions. No one is perfecr...but he had more than his fair share.
However I would expect Lyon will show faith in him to try and build his confidence to try and get him back to his 08 finals form.
I therefore am expecting that he will be retained for the wide open spaces that will await us out West where run is important and that Max will have another weeks rest.
However Raph will need to lift...for make so mistake Dempster will soon be snapping at his heels for his place.
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well we're looking for a third tallish forward who can compete at ground level aren't we?saintsRrising wrote:I would expect Lyon will show faith in him to try and build his confidence to try and get him back to his 08 finals form.
i'd like to see him given a few weeks in that role where i think he could be a dangerous linkman and snag a few goals.
a classy and creative player when he's up and running.
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crikey! i agree with the lotjoffaboy wrote:Raph was Ok today. Not great but held up very well and played a fair game.
Was a bit out of position a couple of times in marking contests and need to learn to stay down a bit more when we alreay have two contesting but generally his skills were good and worked hard without the ball.
Must have been difficult coming back into seniors and straight into that atmosphere after a few weeks in the twos.
Still he plays well in big games and today he was OK.
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We need Raph to be good, but imo he is not up to it yet when under pressure.
He needs to be mentally stronger, and the only way for that aspect of his game to improve is plenty of game time in pressure situations.
Geelong yesterday were leaving him on his own hoping he would get it because they know he's a weak link when under pressure...Other clubs will do it when he's in also, so he'll get a chance to improve his skills under pressure.
If he can we'll be a better side as a result of it.
He needs to be mentally stronger, and the only way for that aspect of his game to improve is plenty of game time in pressure situations.
Geelong yesterday were leaving him on his own hoping he would get it because they know he's a weak link when under pressure...Other clubs will do it when he's in also, so he'll get a chance to improve his skills under pressure.
If he can we'll be a better side as a result of it.
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He doesnt throw himself in at every pack thats true.claystreet wrote:Gram is a pussy around the packs
end of story
BUT its not Jason Grams game to get "in and under" he is a runner pure and simple.
He doesnt throw himself in at the ball like a McQualter, Baker or Ball because its not his role to do so. He runs hard, breaks the lines and roosts the ball inside 50.
WE have "tanks" like Jones and Lenny Hayes and we have "sports cars" like Gram. Mabey if you understood more about his role in the side you wouldnt be so quick to bag him
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Hmmm I just watched the last quarter and didnt see him turn it over once..saw a couple of crucial moments deep in defence when he had posession and fired out quick handpasses that hit targets each time thoughWhite Winmar wrote:Raph was good? Especially in the last quarter when he turned the ball over twice with his trademark lack of decisiveness and let them back into the game when we had it iced. To all the Raph lovers on here, you're almost as offensive as the Raph-haters. Based on all the evidence of 6 seasons of waiting for him to deliver on his so-called "potential", IMO there is no way he's in our best 22. Especially when the heat is on, as it will be in September. To those who reckon he was good tonight-Please explain!
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