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I'm very happy the bloke has been giving another chance, and on top of that I'm really glad it appears he's coming over to do it with us!
Saint Bev, I don't like drugs. Not into them, although many if not most of my freinds are right into them.Saint Bev wrote:I heard that yesterday he admitted to being addicted to drugs for 10 years. I also believe there are drugs you can take to "mask" drugs in your system. I really know little about it. If he has been lying and not been caught in 10 years, there is a major problem. Do we really need such a distraction and do we want this sort of influence on our young guys? Surely he would have a contract that was one strike and you are out. If he does mess up, how will it affect us, the media would have a field day with the typical St Kilda thing etc and how would the sponsors respond and this is not taking into acct memberships. A very big risk in my book.
WayneJudson42 wrote:
BTW, any chance we could get Oddesy House as a spnsor
I was thinking "Drugarm" perhaps 
in a situation like this as a sponser will jump at the chance to have thier logo splashed all over the TV good or ba its about brand recognition notice when the didak saga was going on Eddid was sitting infront of the Lexus logo with the emerites logo prodominant exposure to you brand is exposure to you brand if its possitive or negative it is still good from a marketing point of veiwausfatcat wrote:It's not about sponsers having a problem turning around a fallen star, I would imagine they all would love that angel and in the very least not be worried about it.
Where the problem with sponsers come in is if Ben starts to get into trouble and that creates a bad image for the club and therefore for the sponsers, which is a real danger with the economic crisis almost guareenteed to hit the housing industry.
Not sure whether it was a Club or sponsor action but by the time the Collingwood saga went into overdrive the sponsors banners were removed altogether so as they were not seen to be associated with the events. I remember the action being commented on in the media.st_Trav_ofWA wrote:in a situation like this as a sponser will jump at the chance to have thier logo splashed all over the TV good or ba its about brand recognition notice when the didak saga was going on Eddid was sitting infront of the Lexus logo with the emerites logo prodominant exposure to you brand is exposure to you brand if its possitive or negative it is still good from a marketing point of veiwausfatcat wrote:It's not about sponsers having a problem turning around a fallen star, I would imagine they all would love that angel and in the very least not be worried about it.
Where the problem with sponsers come in is if Ben starts to get into trouble and that creates a bad image for the club and therefore for the sponsers, which is a real danger with the economic crisis almost guareenteed to hit the housing industry.
Devine Group chief executive David Devine, whose company commits $300,000 a year to the Lions, last night said he did not support recruiting Cousins.
"The risk would be that he would fall back into his old ways, which would be a bad reflection on all of us," Devine said. "So I as a sponsor would prefer to see them go after a younger recruit rather than someone who has some baggage attached to him.
There are some major issues in what you're saying. What, exactly, is it that Cousins was doing, that some of our players still are?rodgerfox wrote:Why?St Igmata wrote:I'm not too sure it is a farce.rodgerfox wrote:Without stating the obvious, the whole Ben Cousins drud saga is the single most over inflated 'news' story of this decade.
We have guys on our list being accused of things worse than anything Cousins has done.
Other clubs have guys on their list who have done and are still doing exactly what Cousins has done. So do we.
What a yawn.
Draft him. If he plays well, he gets a game. If we win, everyone's happy.
If he can't abide by the rules our of club, then we deal with him the same way we deal with anyone else who doesn't.
Absolute farce this is.
IT wont be a matter of drafting him and axeing him if he "cant abide by the rules".
The repercussions of a Cousins in trouble will be devestating.Make no mistake about it!
The brand will be shredded and the losses will be great.
Give me one good reason why?
We had two blokes on the verge of being chraged with rape. What was the repercussions of that?
Seriously, people over-inflate the care factor of footy it's hilarious.
No one really cares. The papers do, and they want you to care too. Cause it will sell more.
But in the end, big friccken deal.
Sponsorship is a different game in different markets, even before we consider the AFL aspect, anyone who's done business in both Vic and Qld can tell you how different the markets are.ausfatcat wrote:Devine Group chief executive David Devine, whose company commits $300,000 a year to the Lions, last night said he did not support recruiting Cousins.
"The risk would be that he would fall back into his old ways, which would be a bad reflection on all of us," Devine said. "So I as a sponsor would prefer to see them go after a younger recruit rather than someone who has some baggage attached to him.
There are repercussions like the above quote from a Brisbane sponser, Sponser spend millions of dollars to get there name known and associated with a brand that there target audience is interested in, Drug rehab wouldn't be high on the list but wouldn't be a huge deterant either. Drug use, miss behaviour and crimnal activities would be hugely detremental to there brand being associated with.
You make some valid points but he was old enough to know better. Instead of being gracious and grateful, it wasn't enough and he wanted more. And while he's never killed, robbed or trashed anyone or their property, he's paid money to those who have i.e. those who manufacture and supply the stuff.st.byron wrote:Everyone deserves a second chance. He's been addicted to drugs. F*** me, most of the population has an addiction of one kind or another. He hasn't killed anyone, done anyone any physical harm, robbed anyone or trashed any public property.
He grew up in the West and was told from age 16 that the sun shone out of his butt and that he was a god. On top of that, the worshippers in the West, (and believe me it's a fishbowl) gave him hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and told him that he didn't have to work like normal people, playing footy was enough. No surprise at all that a young bloke went off the rails and thought he was invincible. Everyone around him was telling him so.
It's just a story about a kid with a big head having it knocked into shape the hard way. I'm with Roger on this one, the whole thing is mightily overblown. Let him play footy.
Yep and ever shall it be...... it's always been 'all about Ben'........ just ask teachers from Wesley College in Perth where he was on a footy scholarship...all about looking after Ben then not the reputation of the College when he first began stuffing up there....all about looking after Ben when he continually stuffed up at the Eagles.StSteven wrote:This thread already shows the problem we will have...it will be all about Ben......not the St Kilda Football Club.
Prefer to take a young recruit.
rodgerfox wrote: We had two blokes on the verge of being chraged with rape. What was the repercussions of that?
Seriously, people over-inflate the care factor of footy it's hilarious.
No one really cares. The papers do, and they want you to care too. Cause it will sell more.
But in the end, big friccken deal.
While these threads are moderately interesting, 2 things come through in spades:ctqs wrote:You make some valid points but he was old enough to know better. Instead of being gracious and grateful, it wasn't enough and he wanted more. And while he's never killed, robbed or trashed anyone or their property, he's paid money to those who have i.e. those who manufacture and supply the stuff.st.byron wrote:Everyone deserves a second chance. He's been addicted to drugs. F*** me, most of the population has an addiction of one kind or another. He hasn't killed anyone, done anyone any physical harm, robbed anyone or trashed any public property.
He grew up in the West and was told from age 16 that the sun shone out of his butt and that he was a god. On top of that, the worshippers in the West, (and believe me it's a fishbowl) gave him hundreds of thousands of dollars a year and told him that he didn't have to work like normal people, playing footy was enough. No surprise at all that a young bloke went off the rails and thought he was invincible. Everyone around him was telling him so.
It's just a story about a kid with a big head having it knocked into shape the hard way. I'm with Roger on this one, the whole thing is mightily overblown. Let him play footy.
He does deserve a chance to show he's on the right path, and hopefully teach others about the errors of his ways. While I honestly hope he proves me wrong, I don't think he's ready just yet.
