Dal Santo DROPPED!!!!

Saints94 · Post: # 589799Post **Saints94** » Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:01pm

Oh come on i'll be watching ten news at 5:40

Saints94 · Post: # 589800Post **Saints94** » Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:02pm

Oh come on i'll be watching ten news at 5:40

Cairnsman · Post: # 589801Post **Cairnsman** » Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:02pm

You beauty. The sooks will be woken up from their lack of enthusiasm and energy. Hopefully this wakes up our most talented list.

Come on Kids! show the overpaid sooks how to play in a Saints jumper.

Otiman · Post: # 589803Post **Otiman** » Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:03pm

Here are probably the worst 5 players for us against Sydney. Dal's 1 tackle and 5 frees against shows that perhaps he has some discipline problems or frustration.

Schneider
12 Disposals
3 Tackles
1 Goal

Dal Santo
17 Disposals
5 Frees Against
1 Tackle
1 Goal

Montagna
11 Disposals
1 Free Against
2 Tackles

Milne
8 Disposals
2 Frees Against
2 Tackles
1 Goal

Geary
7 Disposals
0 Tackles

Dan Warna · Post: # 589805Post **Dan Warna** » Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:05pm

NDS 2008 stats.

average 22 touches a game
2.91 tackles per game

at St Kilda he is

no. 3 for kicks
(schneider is no.11)

no.9 for marks
(shneider is no.11)

No. 4 for hard ball gets
(shneider not on the list of top 12)

no. 3 for hand balls

(schneider no 15)

No. 4 for tackles (behind monty, ball and lenny)

(shnedier is no. 11)

his 2008 form by final siren is rated ABOVE his 2007 form, and only 4% behind his peak form in 2005 and 2006.

if you are gonna drop players, then try and drop the ones that are rubbish and not the good ones.

Winmar7Fan · Post: # 589807Post **Winmar7Fan** » Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:07pm

So this is another negative move? I love it well done. We're saying RL needs to make a statement and play the kids , seasons over anyway etc etc maybe this will send a shock wave through the side instead of dropping the same bottom end players week in and out being predictable and make the higher level players feel safe being complacent at 50% effort .

The lower end of the 22 know they have to fight for their spot and the higher players know they're safe as long as they perform a bit better. In fact i think he should each week keep rotating a couple of the higher end players not pulling their weight and playing to their ability ie Milne , Kosi etc till they feel totally insecure with lack of performance.

Cairnsman · Post: # 589808Post **Cairnsman** » Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:08pm

Dan Warna wrote:NDS 2008 stats.

average 22 touches a game
2.91 tackles per game

at St Kilda he is

no. 3 for kicks
(schneider is no.11)

no.9 for marks
(shneider is no.11)

No. 4 for hard ball gets
(shneider not on the list of top 12)

no. 3 for hand balls

(schneider no 15)

No. 4 for tackles (behind monty, ball and lenny)

(shnedier is no. 11)

his 2008 form by final siren is rated ABOVE his 2007 form, and only 4% behind his peak form in 2005 and 2006.

if you are gonna drop players, then try and drop the ones that are rubbish and not the good ones.

Dan do you have stats for dogs, cats and hawkes players because right now comparing most players in our team on any measure only against players in our team is looking at it wrong.

st.byron · Post: # 589811Post **st.byron** » Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:11pm

Does anyone have confirmation of this, or is it just a story in the Hun online?
If it is true how come St.Kilda's selection decisions are public knowledge before the team is announced?

Dan Warna · Post: # 589813Post **Dan Warna** » Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:13pm

well when you drop arguably the 3rd best midfielder in our team while keeping lesser players on what are you telling them?

mediocrity is rewarded?

The_Dud · Post: # 589814Post **The_Dud** » Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:13pm

Otiman wrote:Here are probably the worst 5 players for us against Sydney. Dal's 1 tackle and 5 frees against shows that perhaps he has some discipline problems or frustration.

Schneider
12 Disposals
3 Tackles
1 Goal

Dal Santo
17 Disposals
5 Frees Against
1 Tackle
1 Goal

Montagna
11 Disposals
1 Free Against
2 Tackles

Milne
8 Disposals
2 Frees Against
2 Tackles
1 Goal

Geary
7 Disposals
0 Tackles

what about Ball and Hravey's stats?

Dan Warna · Post: # 589816Post **Dan Warna** » Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:16pm

The_Dud wrote:
Otiman wrote:Here are probably the worst 5 players for us against Sydney. Dal's 1 tackle and 5 frees against shows that perhaps he has some discipline problems or frustration.

Schneider
12 Disposals
3 Tackles
1 Goal

Dal Santo
17 Disposals
5 Frees Against
1 Tackle
1 Goal

Montagna
11 Disposals
1 Free Against
2 Tackles

Milne
8 Disposals
2 Frees Against
2 Tackles
1 Goal

Geary
7 Disposals
0 Tackles
what about Ball and Hravey's stats?

I can look them up for you but there are all there on a number of websites, final siren, the link of the bottom of the players page at wiki, etc.

if Dal Santo is dropped after a solid season and 1 bad game, while lesser players like dumpster and schneider are retained, then the club has lost its marbles.

it smackes of timmy watson prefering tony delany and tony francis in teh centre square over robert harvey (HBF) and nathan burke (BP) in the late 90s

S.A Saint · Post: # 589817Post **S.A Saint** » Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:17pm

Tough calls need to be made and this is one of them. I don't think Dal is being dropped because of his disposals or his performance, imo its more of a thing that he doesn't try as hard as other players like Blake who is giving his all. I believe Lyon wants every player to give their all and doesn't look at performance that much thats why same players are always in and out.

Mr Magic · Post: # 589818Post **Mr Magic** » Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:17pm

st.byron wrote:Does anyone have confirmation of this, or is it just a story in the Hun online?
If it is true how come St.Kilda's selection decisions are public knowledge before the team is announced?

Interesting questions st.byron - I was thinking the same thing.

vantheman · Post: # 589819Post **vantheman** » Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:19pm

on the assumption this is true, clearly Timmy2 has abolsutely no idea

i shudder to think what will happen to this club if this guy is still in charge at trade time

at the moment the present board is innocent of any wrong doing, after all it was the previous board that appointed Timmy 2, however if they dont remove him at the earliest opportunity they will be compounding the blunder - after all fancy acting on a Robert Walls recomendation - what WERE they thinking?

Dan Warna · Post: # 589822Post **Dan Warna** » Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:25pm

Mr Magic wrote:
st.byron wrote:Does anyone have confirmation of this, or is it just a story in the Hun online?
If it is true how come St.Kilda's selection decisions are public knowledge before the team is announced?
Interesting questions st.byron - I was thinking the same thing.

perhaps its just rumour mongoring

dropping dal santo is not a positive move.

could be just a something thrown out there by the media?

degruch · Post: # 589823Post **degruch** » Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:26pm

Mr Magic wrote:
st.byron wrote:Does anyone have confirmation of this, or is it just a story in the Hun online?
If it is true how come St.Kilda's selection decisions are public knowledge before the team is announced?
Interesting questions st.byron - I was thinking the same thing.

Or is it the ultimate quack from Ross?

Cairnsman · Post: # 589825Post **Cairnsman** » Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:26pm

Brilliant move by RL. I like it a lot. It shows strength at the coaching level. Something this club has lacked since Yabby coached us. For too long we have had players that refuse to do the team thing because of being big heads in a bottom dwelling club.

fugazi · Post: # 589828Post **fugazi** » Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:36pm

What about a week off for "general soreness" if he needs to be dropped....fine line between sending a message and humiliating our best midfielder of the last 3 -4 years.

Otiman · Post: # 589831Post **Otiman** » Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:37pm

fugazi wrote:What about a week off for "general soreness" if he needs to be dropped....fine line between sending a message and humiliating our best midfielder of the last 3 -4 years.

What does Lenny Hayes have to do with this?

Cairnsman · Post: # 589832Post **Cairnsman** » Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:37pm

fugazi wrote:What about a week off for "general soreness" if he needs to be dropped....fine line between sending a message and humiliating our best midfielder of the last 3 -4 years.

the problem with being the best midfielder of the last 3-4 years is that it is in the past.

Sainterman · Post: # 589836Post **Sainterman** » Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:43pm

If this is true then Ross has got the wrong guy. try Gram or Monty first...Schneider very average too...

Not happy about this one...hope to be proven wrong!

All for giving kids a go, but at the expense of Dal Santo in a game that defines whether we have any hope left in 2008....sheesh.

Stephen Theodore · Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:45pm

How Dal could be dropped ahead of Montagna is mystifying.

Bernard Shakey · Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:48pm

Something to consider.

OK for Dan and others to complain about dropping one of our best, but is he performing up to his pay packet.

No point in comparing apples with oranges. I'm sure Dal is being paid probably twice as much as Schneider (probably more).

It's not just a matter of performing better than the worst of our best 22, it's a matter of doing your job to the best of your ability.

Dal has not done that this year.

Dan Warna · Post: # 589844Post **Dan Warna** » Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:52pm

yeah dal santo is laying way to many tackles, not waving his hands in the air enough, going and getting hard balls instead of sheepdogging packs and kicking the ball forwards instead of safe kicks backwards.

clearly spending way too much time not following the designated game plan.

Sainterman · Post: # 589845Post **Sainterman** » Thu 19 Jun 2008 4:53pm

Bernard Shakey wrote:Something to consider.

OK for Dan and others to complain about dropping one of our best, but is he performing up to his pay packet.

No point in comparing apples with oranges. I'm sure Dal is being paid probably twice as much as Schneider (probably more).

It's not just a matter of performing better than the worst of our best 22, it's a matter of doing your job to the best of your ability.

Dal has not done that this year.

What rubbish, pick the best 22 every week, forget the pay packets, they matter when contract negotiations come up...!

Dal Santo DROPPED!!!!

NDS stats for 2008.

Re: NDS stats for 2008.

lyon is clearly clueless