Will this re-awaken the real Ross Lyon?
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Re: Will this re-awaken the real Ross Lyon?
He loves a laugh before the game with the MMMs
He seems more interested in his own profile atm
He seems more interested in his own profile atm
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Re: Will this re-awaken the real Ross Lyon?
Is that a bad thing?
He’s criticised previously for being too closed “Ross bubble” not engaging enough
He’s come back a little more relaxed let’s his assistant coaches have more control
Now he laughs too much before games?
Tough crowd …
Why don’t you just admit you’d prefer we stuck with Ratten?
Did the club make the wrong choice in your eyes ??
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Re: Will this re-awaken the real Ross Lyon?
Right choice
But not above criticism as you believe
He is not the messiah - and I don’t put blind faith into anybody
He’s not even a successful AFL coach - if you measure success in premierships
He’s a good coach imo - but has mad made some well documented f*** ups
But not above criticism as you believe
He is not the messiah - and I don’t put blind faith into anybody
He’s not even a successful AFL coach - if you measure success in premierships
He’s a good coach imo - but has mad made some well documented f*** ups
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Re: Will this re-awaken the real Ross Lyon?
Show me a coach who hasn’t **** up?B.M wrote: ↑Thu 01 Jun 2023 6:25pm Right choice
But not above criticism as you believe
He is not the messiah - and I don’t put blind faith into anybody
He’s not even a successful AFL coach - if you measure success in premierships
He’s a good coach imo - but has mad made some well documented f*** ups
Of course he’s not beyond criticism- heres one for ya he holds players in side too long that aren’t performing eg Seb Ross when Windhager should be in
I’m happy to criticise if it’s warranted
Oh and that means all AFL coaches - including Pies coach hasn’t been successful??
I think premierships are a tad binary to really measure..
Black n white tho and I know that’s how you think
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Re: Will this re-awaken the real Ross Lyon?
AFL success is measured by winning premierships
That’s the business they’re in
How else would you measure success - by losing??
That’s the business they’re in
How else would you measure success - by losing??
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Re: Will this re-awaken the real Ross Lyon?
So developing a young side to bring them into contention isn’t success ??
Every club has just 1 measure no matter what stage they’re at: win flag
Even if they have no hope at that point in time?
I think your idea of success is like your footy views….bit outdated
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Re: Will this re-awaken the real Ross Lyon?
No - it’s not success
Success is ultimately winning a
Your describing progress
Success is ultimately winning a
Your describing progress
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Re: Will this re-awaken the real Ross Lyon?
Winning premierships are an outcome
It’s the successes along the way that get you there grasshopper and there will be lots of these if you achieve a premiership
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Re: Will this re-awaken the real Ross Lyon?
Gee I really hope we don’t crash and burn in the second half of the season.
Not just because I’m a Saints supporter, but because I don’t think I’ll be able to stand the 50,000 posts from Teflon explaining why none of it is his hero’s fault.
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Not just because I’m a Saints supporter, but because I don’t think I’ll be able to stand the 50,000 posts from Teflon explaining why none of it is his hero’s fault.
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Re: Will this re-awaken the real Ross Lyon?
I wonder if Ross has asked Bassat if it's possible to change our name to the St Kilda Mulligans, then he'll have a ready made excuse every week for poor performance.
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Re: Will this re-awaken the real Ross Lyon?
Of course he was
Stabilised a side after Blight fiasco
Took us up the ladder
Definitely had success
Just stayed too long
Didn’t recognise he didn’t have the coaching ability to get us further and actually into a GF and became a dictator
But
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Re: Will this re-awaken the real Ross Lyon?
I know if we don’t crash n burn you’ll disappear or jump on the bandwagon like the fair weather squib supporter you aremeher baba wrote: ↑Thu 01 Jun 2023 10:33pm Gee I really hope we don’t crash and burn in the second half of the season.
Not just because I’m a Saints supporter, but because I don’t think I’ll be able to stand the 50,000 posts from Teflon explaining why none of it is his hero’s fault.
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You’ve come out all guns blazing soon as you see the team falter ..good guy to have in the trenches….
Actually…I’d have you in the trenches…just send you out first is all …
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Re: Will this re-awaken the real Ross Lyon?
2004-2006 was one of only two eras where we were an efficient team in terms of competitiveness. Along with 1965-73, 2004-2006 was a period where we won more matches than any of our competitors. We didn't win a premiership or play in a GF as we all know and this ultimately cost him his job, but I would say he was definitely a successful coach, yeah.
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Re: Will this re-awaken the real Ross Lyon?
I agreesamuraisaint wrote: ↑Sat 03 Jun 2023 10:24am2004-2006 was one of only two eras where we were an efficient team in terms of competitiveness. Along with 1965-73, 2004-2006 was a period where we won more matches than any of our competitors. We didn't win a premiership or play in a GF as we all know and this ultimately cost him his job, but I would say he was definitely a successful coach, yeah.
So stupidly simple to look at premiership in isolation
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Re: Will this re-awaken the real Ross Lyon?
Under RL we have won 64% of our games this season. That is a reasonable outcome for anybody, and for us it is definitely a pass.
I have been as guilty of this as anyone, but I think a lot on here, and probably with good reason, think we will play to the script and not turn up against the Swans in Sydney and start a season death spiral. lon
The team this year is very different to last year, and the Sydney team is not a settled outfit this season either.
They, by their own admission, only beat North by a technical free kick, and were less than impressive against a struggling Carlton.
The coaching team is very different to last year as well. It is a very different combination. Also remember, the Swans were absolutely humiliated in the GF last year and lost to Geelong by 93 points this season.
It is all about mindset - if ours is right, we can win next week, and then we are 8/4 like we were last year. And our run home is a lot easier than last season.
I have been as guilty of this as anyone, but I think a lot on here, and probably with good reason, think we will play to the script and not turn up against the Swans in Sydney and start a season death spiral. lon
The team this year is very different to last year, and the Sydney team is not a settled outfit this season either.
They, by their own admission, only beat North by a technical free kick, and were less than impressive against a struggling Carlton.
The coaching team is very different to last year as well. It is a very different combination. Also remember, the Swans were absolutely humiliated in the GF last year and lost to Geelong by 93 points this season.
It is all about mindset - if ours is right, we can win next week, and then we are 8/4 like we were last year. And our run home is a lot easier than last season.
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Re: Will this re-awaken the real Ross Lyon?
Success ultimately means achieve what everyone’s trying to achieve
From a team point of view
If we look at a season - success might be making the 8
For a certain club
But we are talking a coaching career here
What is a successful coach - one who has achieved the ultimate
Coaches are judged on silverware
Ross has none
And that’s with two teams stacked with AAs who were very much in the premiership window
Is Ross a good coach - yes
Is he a successful coach - No
If he coaches out his contract without a premiership - he’ll be the longest serving coach in history with no flag
From a team point of view
If we look at a season - success might be making the 8
For a certain club
But we are talking a coaching career here
What is a successful coach - one who has achieved the ultimate
Coaches are judged on silverware
Ross has none
And that’s with two teams stacked with AAs who were very much in the premiership window
Is Ross a good coach - yes
Is he a successful coach - No
If he coaches out his contract without a premiership - he’ll be the longest serving coach in history with no flag
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Re: Will this re-awaken the real Ross Lyon?
Funny that. No silverware, no rating.B.M wrote: ↑Sat 03 Jun 2023 10:54am Success ultimately means achieve what everyone’s trying to achieve
From a team point of view
If we look at a season - success might be making the 8
For a certain club
But we are talking a coaching career here
What is a successful coach - one who has achieved the ultimate
Coaches are judged on silverware
Ross has none
And that’s with two teams stacked with AAs who were very much in the premiership window
Is Ross a good coach - yes
Is he a successful coach - No
If he coaches out his contract without a premiership - he’ll be the longest serving coach in history with no flag
But, you make a 40 player squad with 28 midfielders in it, playing in positions all over the ground and you are a club legend. At least you are consistently aware of your own bias.
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Re: Will this re-awaken the real Ross Lyon?
Correction
He’s won two club champions
Making him a very good player over his career - individually successful - but will ultimately unsuccessful team wise
How do you rate Sebs career?
How did you rate his 2017 - when we won 12 games
200 games - is a fair career in anyone’s book
He’s won two club champions
Making him a very good player over his career - individually successful - but will ultimately unsuccessful team wise
How do you rate Sebs career?
How did you rate his 2017 - when we won 12 games
200 games - is a fair career in anyone’s book
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Re: Will this re-awaken the real Ross Lyon?
Good honest player on his dayB.M wrote: ↑Sat 03 Jun 2023 11:13am Correction
He’s won two club champions
Making him a very good player over his career - individually successful - but will ultimately unsuccessful team wise
How do you rate Sebs career?
How did you rate his 2017 - when we won 12 games
200 games - is a fair career in anyone’s book
Those days are over
Good depth I’m hoping second half year
Good to see you acknowledge success is multi faceted
A good first step to an open mind
Now repeat after me “Ross Lyon is our only saviour and responsible for all wins but not losses”
And you and I gonna get along fine.
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Re: Will this re-awaken the real Ross Lyon?
Ah yes. The prestigious St.Kilda B&F.B.M wrote: ↑Sat 03 Jun 2023 11:13am Correction
He’s won two club champions
Making him a very good player over his career - individually successful - but will ultimately unsuccessful team wise
How do you rate Sebs career?
How did you rate his 2017 - when we won 12 games
200 games - is a fair career in anyone’s book
Now I realise why we couldn't land a big fish, they had no hope of winning the TBA with Seb and Jack cleaning them up, Geary in the top 5, Newnes playing 100 consecutive games. We were almost competitive.
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Re: Will this re-awaken the real Ross Lyon?
In 2016-2017 we were more than competitive winning 23 out of 44
We weren’t a bottom 6 team as you are trying to allude to
Get a clue
We weren’t a bottom 6 team as you are trying to allude to
Get a clue
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Re: Will this re-awaken the real Ross Lyon?
We were mediocre
Mid table team never really bothering anyone
You told me the only success was a Premiership
We were nowhere near in that period
Are you saying we were good?
Delusional
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Re: Will this re-awaken the real Ross Lyon?
LolCQ SAINT wrote: ↑Sat 03 Jun 2023 2:43pmAh yes. The prestigious St.Kilda B&F.B.M wrote: ↑Sat 03 Jun 2023 11:13am Correction
He’s won two club champions
Making him a very good player over his career - individually successful - but will ultimately unsuccessful team wise
How do you rate Sebs career?
How did you rate his 2017 - when we won 12 games
200 games - is a fair career in anyone’s book
Now I realise why we couldn't land a big fish, they had no hope of winning the TBA with Seb and Jack cleaning them up, Geary in the top 5, Newnes playing 100 consecutive games. We were almost competitive.
Wallowing in mediocrity
It’s what this club does best
Idolises individuals …puts them on ridiculous pedestals cause the team success has been lacking
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