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Re: Crouch
Given me a guy that can win a contested footy or defend or gut run
Connolly is a mile off
Not the most physical guy on the list, let’s put it that way!
Brad Hill without the running power
Connolly is a mile off
Not the most physical guy on the list, let’s put it that way!
Brad Hill without the running power
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Re: Crouch
Webster ain’t got another gear and is borderline now
Connolly still a kid (they’re so easy to take cheap shots aren’t they? ….I remember meeting a skinny kid called Montagna…arms like sticks…good skills though…) he cane on
You have your Dunstans who win plenty contested ball and give back half the time….in modern gane that kills you ….maybe you want a team full of Clint Jones???? Gut run….should never kick the ball though …
I’ll take the kid with some natural class anyday and Connolly has already shown at AFL he can play.
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Re: Crouch
Proven he can play?
7 games
11ppg (off hb)
0.5 tackles
I think you’re basing your assessment on one kick he did in his 2nd game where he took a bounce and used his left to hit a target in the centre?
It was a nice play
Not so nice - getting outmarked by a small forward in the goal square
Defenders need to be able to spoil one out
7 games
11ppg (off hb)
0.5 tackles
I think you’re basing your assessment on one kick he did in his 2nd game where he took a bounce and used his left to hit a target in the centre?
It was a nice play
Not so nice - getting outmarked by a small forward in the goal square
Defenders need to be able to spoil one out
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Re: Crouch
Yes he’s greenB.M wrote: ↑Fri 13 Jan 2023 6:07pm Proven he can play?
7 games
11ppg (off hb)
0.5 tackles
I think you’re basing your assessment on one kick he did in his 2nd game where he took a bounce and used his left to hit a target in the centre?
It was a nice play
Not so nice - getting outmarked by a small forward in the goal square
Defenders need to be able to spoil one out
He’s young I’m not sure your point?
He’s proven he’s able to play at AFL speed
CQ is right ge doesn’t have the confidence yet
Are you saying 7 games in he’s a bust??
Are you Vort under another Nic?
I’ve seen all Webster can do….as good as it gets ….
Tick tock…
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Re: Crouch
Nailed it, but seriously if you look at the slow motion footage he shanked the kick.
The club should have an award called the Mark McGough Medal (MMM) for the player who got lucky and played the best game he was ever gunna play, or capable of...on debut.
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Re: Crouch
Try watching Webster stifle Charlie Cameron and Toby Green
Then ask yourself how Leo Connolly would go on those two
He migh pop off a few neat kicks from hb in about 10 touches
Whilst they bang through half a dozen
I mean seriously
Webster is 188cm quick and hard as fk… courage in spades and a great one on one defender.
Connolly gets exposed one out in the VFL
In a list ranking - I’d have him only in front of Adams, Allison and Peris. So about 40th!
I hope he comes from the clouds and is the next Corey Enright
But realistically, I think he’ll be delisted at seasons end
Then ask yourself how Leo Connolly would go on those two
He migh pop off a few neat kicks from hb in about 10 touches
Whilst they bang through half a dozen
I mean seriously
Webster is 188cm quick and hard as fk… courage in spades and a great one on one defender.
Connolly gets exposed one out in the VFL
In a list ranking - I’d have him only in front of Adams, Allison and Peris. So about 40th!
I hope he comes from the clouds and is the next Corey Enright
But realistically, I think he’ll be delisted at seasons end
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Re: Crouch
Finally a semi coherent viewB.M wrote: ↑Fri 13 Jan 2023 7:55pm Try watching Webster stifle Charlie Cameron and Toby Green
Then ask yourself how Leo Connolly would go on those two
He migh pop off a few neat kicks from hb in about 10 touches
Whilst they bang through half a dozen
I mean seriously
Webster is 188cm quick and hard as fk… courage in spades and a great one on one defender.
Connolly gets exposed one out in the VFL
In a list ranking - I’d have him only in front of Adams, Allison and Peris. So about 40th!
I hope he comes from the clouds and is the next Corey Enright
But realistically, I think he’ll be delisted at seasons end
It’s not one I agree at all with and your 2 good Webster games prove little
Facts are he’s a seasoned player ofcourse he should be able to do those roles
Connolly has played 7 games and still has to develop…your comparison is stupid
It’s like the one suggesting Pou is Bont ….but people like to dream …
Regardless Connolly already has better footskills and that’s awfully hard to teach …so we’ll see at end of year if he goes ..
I think some of your supposed mature gun players (they’re all guns according to you ….Webster, Ross, Billings…
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Re: Crouch
Ever wondered why only 7 games in 3 seasons as a defender?
I mean at pick 64 it's surprising.
Statistics are high though for him to become a 200 game veteran.
I mean at pick 64 it's surprising.
Statistics are high though for him to become a 200 game veteran.
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Re: Crouch
Teffers rates him though… should come in and replace Webster
And other kids come in and replace Ross, Billings and Jones
Maybe Sharman for Membrey???
That is, if we are Tanking!!!!
Me - In it to play finals - until we cannot - then re-evaluate
And other kids come in and replace Ross, Billings and Jones
Maybe Sharman for Membrey???
That is, if we are Tanking!!!!
Me - In it to play finals - until we cannot - then re-evaluate
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Re: Crouch
I think, we just re-evaluated, not sure, but I think we had a review and sacked our couch after renewing his contract a few months earlier.
The list is being re-evaluated. In my opinion about 6 positions are available.
First shot will have to go to
Billings- will he get fit and stay fit? Not likely, going off recent seasons.
Gresham - see Billings
Mackenzie - see Billings
Jones - lol.
We are 2 good midfielders short because all 4 of these blokes are inconsistent.
Owens will replace one of these
Phillipou will replace one of these
NWM will replace on of these
Windhager has filled one of the good mid vacancies and went straight passed all of them.
Just mho.
The list is being re-evaluated. In my opinion about 6 positions are available.
First shot will have to go to
Billings- will he get fit and stay fit? Not likely, going off recent seasons.
Gresham - see Billings
Mackenzie - see Billings
Jones - lol.
We are 2 good midfielders short because all 4 of these blokes are inconsistent.
Owens will replace one of these
Phillipou will replace one of these
NWM will replace on of these
Windhager has filled one of the good mid vacancies and went straight passed all of them.
Just mho.
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Re: Crouch
The Full Back of the Century once had 10.7 kicked on him as a 21yo ..... maybe he should have never been given another game
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Re: Crouch
Finals? Like last year with your fanboy Webster in/out of the side ???
Me?
In it not to just play finals….want to contend ..need an upgrade on a few if current list (Webster included) to do it
You can keep wallowing in mediocrity..,Im interested in where the growth will come from ..
Newsflash:
Won’t be massive from Ross/Webster as I suspect we’ve seen their best
Do you think Connolly should be delisted now?
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Re: Crouch
Spot on!CQ SAINT wrote: ↑Sun 15 Jan 2023 12:24pm I think, we just re-evaluated, not sure, but I think we had a review and sacked our couch after renewing his contract a few months earlier.
The list is being re-evaluated. In my opinion about 6 positions are available.
First shot will have to go to
Billings- will he get fit and stay fit? Not likely, going off recent seasons.
Gresham - see Billings
Mackenzie - see Billings
Jones - lol.
We are 2 good midfielders short because all 4 of these blokes are inconsistent.
Owens will replace one of these
Phillipou will replace one of these
NWM will replace on of these
Windhager has filled one of the good mid vacancies and went straight passed all of them.
Just mho.
It’s where that future crop steps in to replace a few …it will happen …you can’t play them all that’s fact
Question is: will Owens/Windhager et al take us further than the Ross, Billings types who’ve been here for years ????
How high is the ceiling on this new lot?
NWM? Pou? Hotton ?
Can any take the AA step like Sinclair has???
It’s what we realistically need to be top 4 and go deep
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Re: Crouch
What makes you sure any of those kids will be any good at all?
Outside of Windhager - the rest have done FA
Outside of Windhager - the rest have done FA
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Re: Crouch
That’s it!
Stick with the sane Richo/Ratts crew hey?? Cause that’s been a raging massive **** success??
Try ask a smart question.
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Re: Crouch
So we are rebuilding
Better let Ross know
Because I guarantee Ross and Webster will be there R1
Better let Ross know
Because I guarantee Ross and Webster will be there R1
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Re: Crouch
So we are challenging?
Top 4/flag fancies this year?
Yes…better let Ross know…we signed him for 4 years fir a reason….
If you’re so confident of flag /top 4 fir us this year with your jets in Webster, Ross et al I’d be happy to take a small wager…
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Re: Crouch
We won’t make the top 4
Be lucky to make top 8 and should be anywhere from 6-12
With around a 10-12 win season
If we go down your path and don’t play established player - we will finish bottom 4 with about a 6-8 win season or worse.
If we go down that route - we will have continue for a few years - as senior players leave - possibly a worse season to follow next season - maybe 4-6 wins - No FAs will consider us
Then there is the hope that we climb the ladder?
It is not a guarantee - DPs are NEVER a guarantee of success
Carlton had three No1 DPs in a a row - Murphy, Gibb, Kruzer - none saw any real success
Melbourne had pick 1 2008 & picks 1 & 2 in 2009 - were a basket case for 8 years thereafter
I bet if we go back 2014/15 posts on here - there would have been some chubbies on here about Billings, Dunstan, Acres, McCartin, H.Hoddard, McKenzie, Gresham
I’m happy going to games knowing we could win - whilst building the list
Be lucky to make top 8 and should be anywhere from 6-12
With around a 10-12 win season
If we go down your path and don’t play established player - we will finish bottom 4 with about a 6-8 win season or worse.
If we go down that route - we will have continue for a few years - as senior players leave - possibly a worse season to follow next season - maybe 4-6 wins - No FAs will consider us
Then there is the hope that we climb the ladder?
It is not a guarantee - DPs are NEVER a guarantee of success
Carlton had three No1 DPs in a a row - Murphy, Gibb, Kruzer - none saw any real success
Melbourne had pick 1 2008 & picks 1 & 2 in 2009 - were a basket case for 8 years thereafter
I bet if we go back 2014/15 posts on here - there would have been some chubbies on here about Billings, Dunstan, Acres, McCartin, H.Hoddard, McKenzie, Gresham
I’m happy going to games knowing we could win - whilst building the list
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Re: Crouch
Con Gorazides is backB.M wrote: ↑Tue 17 Jan 2023 12:23am We won’t make the top 4
Be lucky to make top 8 and should be anywhere from 6-12
With around a 10-12 win season
If we go down your path and don’t play established player - we will finish bottom 4 with about a 6-8 win season or worse.
If we go down that route - we will have continue for a few years - as senior players leave - possibly a worse season to follow next season - maybe 4-6 wins - No FAs will consider us
Then there is the hope that we climb the ladder?
It is not a guarantee - DPs are NEVER a guarantee of success
Carlton had three No1 DPs in a a row - Murphy, Gibb, Kruzer - none saw any real success
Melbourne had pick 1 2008 & picks 1 & 2 in 2009 - were a basket case for 8 years thereafter
I bet if we go back 2014/15 posts on here - there would have been some chubbies on here about Billings, Dunstan, Acres, McCartin, H.Hoddard, McKenzie, Gresham
I’m happy going to games knowing we could win - whilst building the list
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And with those names, Con would probably have also mentioned Mav Weller
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Re: Crouch
So we are still building a list capable of challenging but we are not near it yet ????B.M wrote: ↑Tue 17 Jan 2023 12:23am We won’t make the top 4
Be lucky to make top 8 and should be anywhere from 6-12
With around a 10-12 win season
If we go down your path and don’t play established player - we will finish bottom 4 with about a 6-8 win season or worse.
If we go down that route - we will have continue for a few years - as senior players leave - possibly a worse season to follow next season - maybe 4-6 wins - No FAs will consider us
Then there is the hope that we climb the ladder?
It is not a guarantee - DPs are NEVER a guarantee of success
Carlton had three No1 DPs in a a row - Murphy, Gibb, Kruzer - none saw any real success
Melbourne had pick 1 2008 & picks 1 & 2 in 2009 - were a basket case for 8 years thereafter
I bet if we go back 2014/15 posts on here - there would have been some chubbies on here about Billings, Dunstan, Acres, McCartin, H.Hoddard, McKenzie, Gresham
I’m happy going to games knowing we could win - whilst building the list
Glad we cleared that up
We will play kids next 1-2 years whether you like it or not - we have to cause we lack depth in genuine A grade quality and last I looked….the Nick Daicos of the world aren’t coming to us…
So we will play NWM, Windhager, Owens, Pou, Hotton abs who knows hopefully a Van Es/Keely, Bytel, Connolly etc along the way…will we do that all at once?? That’s just you making up BS cause no one on here has recommended that..
Abs if some of those kids become staples - rest assured some of our current B-C graders (your super stars) from Richo/Ratten years will be pushed out…
Bring it on
We’ll also go to draft to delve deep again year this cause they’ve woken up….C grade recycled players without enough of a quality core get you mid table at best ….we have to go beyond that.
I could t care if we don’t make the 8 this year
I expect a larger than normal cull/trade out at seasons end when RTB works out who cuts the mustard and who is just treading water
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Re: Crouch
Some have mentioned Webster, Ross, Jones in this thread.
The three have been strong servants (Jones not as long obviously) but the hope from me us our young draftees develop quickly enough that the 3 musketeers end up playing for the Zebs and are 'depth' players.
Seb n Web are at that age where they've not gone long left.
The three have been strong servants (Jones not as long obviously) but the hope from me us our young draftees develop quickly enough that the 3 musketeers end up playing for the Zebs and are 'depth' players.
Seb n Web are at that age where they've not gone long left.
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Re: Crouch
Agree WellardWellardSaint wrote: ↑Tue 17 Jan 2023 1:35am Some have mentioned Webster, Ross, Jones in this thread.
The three have been strong servants (Jones not as long obviously) but the hope from me us our young draftees develop quickly enough that the 3 musketeers end up playing for the Zebs and are 'depth' players.
Seb n Web are at that age where they've not gone long left.
It’s not disrespectful to want to go one better than what these guys have provided- yes they’ve been good servants but I’m after a flag for St Kilda FC ideally before I die!!
Not everyone will be a star abd all sides need these players…right now we have a few too many in this category
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