Get real. She was a bloody kid. Regardless, extremely low comments by Enrico.saintspremiers wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 10:30amSettle Trev - What Duthie did in the past is still fact. I had no idea she had cancer until reading this thread. Not all of us hear all the news all the time.Trev from the Bush wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 1:11amHow low can you go saying something as disgusting as this about a young woman suffering from cervical cancer! Take a break, pal. Could I suggest where I spent my January holidays - the oncology and haemotology ward. You would come out of there with a different outlook on life, for sure. Judging by your comment, any minor improvement would be a major development in the way you see life.Enrico_Misso wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 12:27amVery disappointing as Gilbo is a lovely guy who makes time for everyone.Joffa Burns wrote: ↑Thu 09 Apr 2020 8:45pm Real shame, I’d rate Gilbo along with Jimmy Webster the nicest most down to earth Saints players I have met.
Hell of a nice guy and great with supporters and kids.
Very sad.
Duthie on the other hand is a lying piece of low-life filth who thoroughly deserves a visit from a bull-barred Karma bus.
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Not wanting to sound disingenuous here but I think coffee or caffeine tablets have been the subject of testing in the past - was it drinking a lot of coffee, or taking caffeine tablets before sporting events?Joffa Burns wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 12:01pmLast time I checked coffee, tea and chocolate weren't illegal or on the AFL banned game day list.samuraisaint wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 11:28amGrog, coffee and smokes are all drugs too - and tea and chocolate contain low levels of a drug.
Nor could you be arrested for selling them or making them at home.
Smokes are in a different category.
And you're right about smokes being in a different category - certainly not performance enhancing though.
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Any drug that creates tax is legal.
Drugs that can't be taxed are only illegal if you get caught taking them.
Drugs that can't be taxed are only illegal if you get caught taking them.
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I think you are referring to the pentathlete (Alex?) who was taking caffeine tablets but said his high caffeine levels were from drinking coffee. Caffeine is no longer banned as a stimulant, maybe after the 1988 Olympics?samuraisaint wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 1:33pmNot wanting to sound disingenuous here but I think coffee or caffeine tablets have been the subject of testing in the past - was it drinking a lot of coffee, or taking caffeine tablets before sporting events?Joffa Burns wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 12:01pmLast time I checked coffee, tea and chocolate weren't illegal or on the AFL banned game day list.samuraisaint wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 11:28amGrog, coffee and smokes are all drugs too - and tea and chocolate contain low levels of a drug.
Nor could you be arrested for selling them or making them at home.
Smokes are in a different category.
And you're right about smokes being in a different category - certainly not performance enhancing though.
I remember watching Saints players in the GT era chewing caffeine tablets at 3/4 time in matches.
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Yep - I'm pretty sure that is the case I was thinking of.Joffa Burns wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 2:36pmI think you are referring to the pentathlete (Alex?) who was taking caffeine tablets but said his high caffeine levels were from drinking coffee. Caffeine is no longer banned as a stimulant, maybe after the 1988 Olympics?samuraisaint wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 1:33pmNot wanting to sound disingenuous here but I think coffee or caffeine tablets have been the subject of testing in the past - was it drinking a lot of coffee, or taking caffeine tablets before sporting events?Joffa Burns wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 12:01pmLast time I checked coffee, tea and chocolate weren't illegal or on the AFL banned game day list.samuraisaint wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 11:28amGrog, coffee and smokes are all drugs too - and tea and chocolate contain low levels of a drug.
Nor could you be arrested for selling them or making them at home.
Smokes are in a different category.
And you're right about smokes being in a different category - certainly not performance enhancing though.
I remember watching Saints players in the GT era chewing caffeine tablets at 3/4 time in matches.
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Apologies if my comments upset anyone.Trev from the Bush wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 1:00pmGet real. She was a bloody kid. Regardless, extremely low comments by Enrico.saintspremiers wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 10:30amSettle Trev - What Duthie did in the past is still fact. I had no idea she had cancer until reading this thread. Not all of us hear all the news all the time.Trev from the Bush wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 1:11amHow low can you go saying something as disgusting as this about a young woman suffering from cervical cancer! Take a break, pal. Could I suggest where I spent my January holidays - the oncology and haemotology ward. You would come out of there with a different outlook on life, for sure. Judging by your comment, any minor improvement would be a major development in the way you see life.Enrico_Misso wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 12:27amVery disappointing as Gilbo is a lovely guy who makes time for everyone.Joffa Burns wrote: ↑Thu 09 Apr 2020 8:45pm Real shame, I’d rate Gilbo along with Jimmy Webster the nicest most down to earth Saints players I have met.
Hell of a nice guy and great with supporters and kids.
Very sad.
Duthie on the other hand is a lying piece of low-life filth who thoroughly deserves a visit from a bull-barred Karma bus.
The thread didn't make it clear the who and the what and that Hun link firewall doesn't work for me.
I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone.
But let's distinguish between the present and the past.
The mere mention of that Duthie womans name really steams me up.
The so called "StKilda Schoolgirl" scandal was outrageously unfair.
Just because someone is suffering today doesn't excuse their disgraceful past behaviour.
This woman's deceitful behaviour fanned by the obsession of the morally bankrupt Carro TOTALLY unfairly portrayed our club in a bad light for months and months during a year when we could have and arguably should have won a premiership.
And quite likely in the absence of that media intrusion constantly hanging over our heads we WOULD HAVE won that premiership.
(Roo has written about the impact this had on the team psyche).
All because of how that lying piece of garbage manipulated our players and the media.
The rest of Australia can wander mask-free, socialise, eat out, no curfews, no zoning, no police rings of steel, no illogical inconsistent rules.
They can even WATCH LIVE FOOTY!
They can even WATCH LIVE FOOTY!
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Being a nice guy and being dumbarse stupid isn't mutually exclusive either
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Or manufacturing / cultivating, dealing or holding them.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 1:51pm Any drug that creates tax is legal.
Drugs that can't be taxed are only illegal if you get caught taking them.
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You’re not wrong.Enrico_Misso wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 11:45pmApologies if my comments upset anyone.Trev from the Bush wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 1:00pmGet real. She was a bloody kid. Regardless, extremely low comments by Enrico.saintspremiers wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 10:30amSettle Trev - What Duthie did in the past is still fact. I had no idea she had cancer until reading this thread. Not all of us hear all the news all the time.Trev from the Bush wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 1:11amHow low can you go saying something as disgusting as this about a young woman suffering from cervical cancer! Take a break, pal. Could I suggest where I spent my January holidays - the oncology and haemotology ward. You would come out of there with a different outlook on life, for sure. Judging by your comment, any minor improvement would be a major development in the way you see life.Enrico_Misso wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 12:27amVery disappointing as Gilbo is a lovely guy who makes time for everyone.Joffa Burns wrote: ↑Thu 09 Apr 2020 8:45pm Real shame, I’d rate Gilbo along with Jimmy Webster the nicest most down to earth Saints players I have met.
Hell of a nice guy and great with supporters and kids.
Very sad.
Duthie on the other hand is a lying piece of low-life filth who thoroughly deserves a visit from a bull-barred Karma bus.
The thread didn't make it clear the who and the what and that Hun link firewall doesn't work for me.
I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone.
But let's distinguish between the present and the past.
The mere mention of that Duthie womans name really steams me up.
The so called "StKilda Schoolgirl" scandal was outrageously unfair.
Just because someone is suffering today doesn't excuse their disgraceful past behaviour.
This woman's deceitful behaviour fanned by the obsession of the morally bankrupt Carro TOTALLY unfairly portrayed our club in a bad light for months and months during a year when we could have and arguably should have won a premiership.
And quite likely in the absence of that media intrusion constantly hanging over our heads we WOULD HAVE won that premiership.
(Roo has written about the impact this had on the team psyche).
All because of how that lying piece of garbage manipulated our players and the media.
I tend to consider the media (not just Caro but all of the outlets that ran us into the ground including the Scum and news/radio outlets) as the most culpable in that sorry saga.
When the basis of your profession is to seek out and report the truth... with all the money, resources and man power available for these outlets... an emotionally unstable teenager/young adult shouldn’t be able to categorically out play you on every level over a period of a year or so.
But they let it all happen. Not excusing KD at all but she did what messed up ppl do at times and it shouldn’t have been able to go on the way it did
It’s why I laugh when ppl here carry on about garbage rags like the Herald Sun like they’re factual and for clever ppl.
They’re not journalism and they have little regard for truth, research, depth etc. Just sensationalised BS to take ur money and drive specific agendas
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YepEnrico_Misso wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 11:45pm Apologies if my comments upset anyone.
The thread didn't make it clear the who and the what and that Hun link firewall doesn't work for me.
I wouldn't wish cancer on anyone.
But let's distinguish between the present and the past.
The mere mention of that Duthie womans name really steams me up.
The so called "StKilda Schoolgirl" scandal was outrageously unfair.
Just because someone is suffering today doesn't excuse their disgraceful past behaviour.
This woman's deceitful behaviour fanned by the obsession of the morally bankrupt Carro TOTALLY unfairly portrayed our club in a bad light for months and months during a year when we could have and arguably should have won a premiership.
And quite likely in the absence of that media intrusion constantly hanging over our heads we WOULD HAVE won that premiership.
(Roo has written about the impact this had on the team psyche).
All because of how that lying piece of garbage manipulated our players and the media.
She and the media also totally set up morally bankrupt ricky nixon .
Then when the truth came out . That this woman had issues and it was all BS .The media never apologized to the club or the players affected. The fact that it still gets reported as the st kilda school girl scandal galls me .
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Enrico, you were going okay until you used the word "but".
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There are 7.5 Billion people on Earth.
Every day terrible things happen to good, honest, generous people which is totally out of their control. My heart goes out to them.
When bad things happen to sh*tty people, I’m sorry but I don’t have too much sympathy.
Every day terrible things happen to good, honest, generous people which is totally out of their control. My heart goes out to them.
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Agree with the sentiment of this above - the drugs that are taxed - smokes and booze do far more damage than the 'illegal' un taxed drugsGhost Like wrote: ↑Sat 11 Apr 2020 12:32amOr manufacturing / cultivating, dealing or holding them.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 1:51pm Any drug that creates tax is legal.
Drugs that can't be taxed are only illegal if you get caught taking them.
i dont feel the urge to engage in a 'citizens arrest' type mentality - I think the government have got a lot of this wrong - MDMA for example is said to do incredible things for PTSD - so if someone uses that are they a complete write off to society ? What about the lives destroyed by alcoholism ? both for the alcoholic and their families and friends ?
Why do so many people want to just fall in line with what we are told by the government ? With this COVID issue why were beauty saloons forcefully closed and hairdressers allowed to operate ? Why do politicians think its ok for people to join dole queues yet they wont take a pay cut ?
Gilbert is a young guy engaging in young guy activity ( recreational drugs) - i dont agree with anyone writing him off for that
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Agree with the sentiment of this above - the drugs that are taxed - smokes and booze do far more damage than the 'illegal' un taxed drugsGhost Like wrote: ↑Sat 11 Apr 2020 12:32amOr manufacturing / cultivating, dealing or holding them.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 1:51pm Any drug that creates tax is legal.
Drugs that can't be taxed are only illegal if you get caught taking them.
i dont feel the urge to engage in a 'citizens arrest' type mentality - I think the government have got a lot of this wrong - MDMA for example is said to do incredible things for PTSD - so if someone uses that are they a complete write off to society ? What about the lives destroyed by alcoholism ? both for the alcoholic and their families and friends ?
Why do so many people want to just fall in line with what we are told by the government ? With this COVID issue why were beauty saloons forcefully closed and hairdressers allowed to operate ? Why do politicians think its ok for people to join dole queues yet they wont take a pay cut ?
Gilbert is a young guy engaging in young guy activity ( recreational drugs) - i dont agree with anyone writing him off for that
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Don’t blame Kim Duthie blame the media. It was driven by bias and it undermined our season.
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Actually caffeine is bannedJoffa Burns wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 12:01pmLast time I checked coffee, tea and chocolate weren't illegal or on the AFL banned game day list.samuraisaint wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 11:28amGrog, coffee and smokes are all drugs too - and tea and chocolate contain low levels of a drug.
Nor could you be arrested for selling them or making them at home.
Smokes are in a different category.
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I'd like to see some proof of that.sunsaint wrote: ↑Sun 12 Apr 2020 9:03pmActually caffeine is bannedJoffa Burns wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 12:01pmLast time I checked coffee, tea and chocolate weren't illegal or on the AFL banned game day list.samuraisaint wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 11:28amGrog, coffee and smokes are all drugs too - and tea and chocolate contain low levels of a drug.
Nor could you be arrested for selling them or making them at home.
Smokes are in a different category.
What sports ban caffeine and what levels do you need to reach before action is taken?
I have a family member who drinks coffee while at training camps at the AIS and has been drug tested whilst there.
I also know athletes who chew caffeine tablets during competition for a kick.
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I must admit I'm torn in relation to this response. Firstly I believe the Government is just as, if not more, addicted to tobacco & alcohol. Those people who enjoy a smoke or a drink are certainly paying overs and those high taxes they pay should well and truly cover a lot of the health costs.saint6709 wrote: ↑Sat 11 Apr 2020 8:09pmAgree with the sentiment of this above - the drugs that are taxed - smokes and booze do far more damage than the 'illegal' un taxed drugsGhost Like wrote: ↑Sat 11 Apr 2020 12:32amOr manufacturing / cultivating, dealing or holding them.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 1:51pm Any drug that creates tax is legal.
Drugs that can't be taxed are only illegal if you get caught taking them.
i dont feel the urge to engage in a 'citizens arrest' type mentality - I think the government have got a lot of this wrong - MDMA for example is said to do incredible things for PTSD - so if someone uses that are they a complete write off to society ? What about the lives destroyed by alcoholism ? both for the alcoholic and their families and friends ?
Why do so many people want to just fall in line with what we are told by the government ? With this COVID issue why were beauty saloons forcefully closed and hairdressers allowed to operate ? Why do politicians think its ok for people to join dole queues yet they wont take a pay cut ?
Gilbert is a young guy engaging in young guy activity ( recreational drugs) - i dont agree with anyone writing him off for that
In terms of illegal, so called "receeational", drugs I believe they offer far more pain within society without contributing a cent to that pain. If you've ever had to deal with someone in the grip of drugs like "ice", heroin, GHB, long term abuse of cannabis you will know the told and untold pain.
MDMA in a controlled environment may relieve / enhance certain conditions but sadly those peddling it and those using it are not doing so for any altruistic reasons.
Government decisions in relation to the COVID-19 pandemic are simply to draw a line, which they have to. You do not have to be any great orator to pick holes in what's allowed and what isn't but they, we need that line drawn.
I have no issues with them getting their full pay during this crisis, I'd have an issue if they received a pay rise. I do have issues with their super access & ease of the % that gets passed when they do increase their salaries but that's for another debate.
I do not vilify Gilbo for his drug use but I do feel sorry for him and hope his friends and family rally around him. I hope he accepts that and doesn't abuse that care.
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"caffeine was considered a banned substance in sport by the medical commission of the International Olympic Committee and other anti-doping authorities between 1984 and 2004, and its use was prohibited only in competition.Jan 29, 2019"Joffa Burns wrote: ↑Sun 12 Apr 2020 10:04pmI'd like to see some proof of that.sunsaint wrote: ↑Sun 12 Apr 2020 9:03pmActually caffeine is bannedJoffa Burns wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 12:01pmLast time I checked coffee, tea and chocolate weren't illegal or on the AFL banned game day list.samuraisaint wrote: ↑Fri 10 Apr 2020 11:28amGrog, coffee and smokes are all drugs too - and tea and chocolate contain low levels of a drug.
Nor could you be arrested for selling them or making them at home.
Smokes are in a different category.
What sports ban caffeine and what levels do you need to reach before action is taken?
I have a family member who drinks coffee while at training camps at the AIS and has been drug tested whilst there.
I also know athletes who chew caffeine tablets during competition for a kick.
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sorry been busy over the long weekend - banned was a jump depending on some associationsJoffa Burns wrote: ↑Sun 12 Apr 2020 10:04pm
I'd like to see some proof of that.
What sports ban caffeine and what levels do you need to reach before action is taken?
I have a family member who drinks coffee while at training camps at the AIS and has been drug tested whilst there.
I also know athletes who chew caffeine tablets during competition for a kick.
It IS however still being monitored
Mainly due to the mix of stimulants found in powders and drinks, as it is assumed some supplements are trying to hide other banned substances
From a medical point of view caffeine has a law of diminishing returns as continuous over use shows limited "peaks" mostly a troughs
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