His brother isn't so why should he.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 9:20amyou'd have to think he will start in the forward line come round 1, I'm hoping he really keeps Max King out of the side for as long as possible to allow Max to build up to his first game. I have concerns over Max being fragile and injury prone.barneyboyz wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 7:58am+1 I totally agree with this. Marshall as a forward could be something the likes of we've never seen. Well yes, we've seen a couple of reall good ones I know, but he could be nigh on impossible to defendTo the top wrote: ↑Sun 10 Nov 2019 5:58pm Marshall’s impact was around the ground including at ground level following ruck contests
His marking improved markedly to compliment his athleticism - and we saw what we saw
The immediate impact of Ryder will be the option of playing Marshall forward where I am of the view he will be a sensation with his attributes
To me this is the reason Bruce was traded out
The next concern is back up for Ryder because currently there is none
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umm because Max is/has been injury prone to-date. Hasn't achieved anything other than being handed the No. 12 jumper. Who knows, Max could have a shorter career than Paddy, it happens too often for it not to be a real possibility. Personally I'd like to see Max spend most of 2020 at Sandy getting physically conditioned.saynta wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 11:10amHis brother isn't so why should he.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 9:20amyou'd have to think he will start in the forward line come round 1, I'm hoping he really keeps Max King out of the side for as long as possible to allow Max to build up to his first game. I have concerns over Max being fragile and injury prone.barneyboyz wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 7:58am+1 I totally agree with this. Marshall as a forward could be something the likes of we've never seen. Well yes, we've seen a couple of reall good ones I know, but he could be nigh on impossible to defendTo the top wrote: ↑Sun 10 Nov 2019 5:58pm Marshall’s impact was around the ground including at ground level following ruck contests
His marking improved markedly to compliment his athleticism - and we saw what we saw
The immediate impact of Ryder will be the option of playing Marshall forward where I am of the view he will be a sensation with his attributes
To me this is the reason Bruce was traded out
The next concern is back up for Ryder because currently there is none
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Rubbish.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 11:48amumm because Max is/has been injury prone to-date. Hasn't achieved anything other than being handed the No. 12 jumper. Who knows, Max could have a shorter career than Paddy, it happens too often for it not to be a real possibility. Personally I'd like to see Max spend most of 2020 at Sandy getting physically conditioned.saynta wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 11:10amHis brother isn't so why should he.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 9:20amyou'd have to think he will start in the forward line come round 1, I'm hoping he really keeps Max King out of the side for as long as possible to allow Max to build up to his first game. I have concerns over Max being fragile and injury prone.barneyboyz wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 7:58am+1 I totally agree with this. Marshall as a forward could be something the likes of we've never seen. Well yes, we've seen a couple of reall good ones I know, but he could be nigh on impossible to defendTo the top wrote: ↑Sun 10 Nov 2019 5:58pm Marshall’s impact was around the ground including at ground level following ruck contests
His marking improved markedly to compliment his athleticism - and we saw what we saw
The immediate impact of Ryder will be the option of playing Marshall forward where I am of the view he will be a sensation with his attributes
To me this is the reason Bruce was traded out
The next concern is back up for Ryder because currently there is none
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With Marshall and Membrey forward King will be the icing on the cake
So he will not be attracting the No 1 or No 2 tall defender - good luck with that
So he will not be attracting the No 1 or No 2 tall defender - good luck with that
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I salivate at the prospect of Membrey not being the sole focus of the best defenders in the comp.
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If he's fit come round 1 he plays. But as has been said, he won't get the #1 defender, if he doe's then someone's going to have a partySecret Kiel wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 11:48amumm because Max is/has been injury prone to-date. Hasn't achieved anything other than being handed the No. 12 jumper. Who knows, Max could have a shorter career than Paddy, it happens too often for it not to be a real possibility. Personally I'd like to see Max spend most of 2020 at Sandy getting physically conditioned.saynta wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 11:10amHis brother isn't so why should he.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 9:20amyou'd have to think he will start in the forward line come round 1, I'm hoping he really keeps Max King out of the side for as long as possible to allow Max to build up to his first game. I have concerns over Max being fragile and injury prone.barneyboyz wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 7:58am+1 I totally agree with this. Marshall as a forward could be something the likes of we've never seen. Well yes, we've seen a couple of reall good ones I know, but he could be nigh on impossible to defendTo the top wrote: ↑Sun 10 Nov 2019 5:58pm Marshall’s impact was around the ground including at ground level following ruck contests
His marking improved markedly to compliment his athleticism - and we saw what we saw
The immediate impact of Ryder will be the option of playing Marshall forward where I am of the view he will be a sensation with his attributes
To me this is the reason Bruce was traded out
The next concern is back up for Ryder because currently there is none
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I'm not so convinced he's an automatic selection, a few practice matches isn't enough to get him selected over say someone like Ryder who should get first crack based on proven ability at the elite level. Then it is up to Max to push him out from there.barneyboyz wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 1:00pmIf he's fit come round 1 he plays. But as has been said, he won't get the #1 defender, if he doe's then someone's going to have a partySecret Kiel wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 11:48amumm because Max is/has been injury prone to-date. Hasn't achieved anything other than being handed the No. 12 jumper. Who knows, Max could have a shorter career than Paddy, it happens too often for it not to be a real possibility. Personally I'd like to see Max spend most of 2020 at Sandy getting physically conditioned.saynta wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 11:10amHis brother isn't so why should he.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 9:20amyou'd have to think he will start in the forward line come round 1, I'm hoping he really keeps Max King out of the side for as long as possible to allow Max to build up to his first game. I have concerns over Max being fragile and injury prone.barneyboyz wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 7:58am+1 I totally agree with this. Marshall as a forward could be something the likes of we've never seen. Well yes, we've seen a couple of reall good ones I know, but he could be nigh on impossible to defendTo the top wrote: ↑Sun 10 Nov 2019 5:58pm Marshall’s impact was around the ground including at ground level following ruck contests
His marking improved markedly to compliment his athleticism - and we saw what we saw
The immediate impact of Ryder will be the option of playing Marshall forward where I am of the view he will be a sensation with his attributes
To me this is the reason Bruce was traded out
The next concern is back up for Ryder because currently there is noneAt any rate, Max has done the recovery time and work, so should play if ready
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Absolutely he would not be an automatic selection, I should have clarified my point better. He plays round 1 if ready and fit, but to not do so simply due to his knee issues is problematic tooSecret Kiel wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 1:03pmI'm not so convinced he's an automatic selection, a few practice matches isn't enough to get him selected over say someone like Ryder who should get first crack based on proven ability at the elite level. Then it is up to Max to push him out from there.barneyboyz wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 1:00pmIf he's fit come round 1 he plays. But as has been said, he won't get the #1 defender, if he doe's then someone's going to have a partySecret Kiel wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 11:48amumm because Max is/has been injury prone to-date. Hasn't achieved anything other than being handed the No. 12 jumper. Who knows, Max could have a shorter career than Paddy, it happens too often for it not to be a real possibility. Personally I'd like to see Max spend most of 2020 at Sandy getting physically conditioned.saynta wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 11:10amHis brother isn't so why should he.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 9:20amyou'd have to think he will start in the forward line come round 1, I'm hoping he really keeps Max King out of the side for as long as possible to allow Max to build up to his first game. I have concerns over Max being fragile and injury prone.barneyboyz wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 7:58am+1 I totally agree with this. Marshall as a forward could be something the likes of we've never seen. Well yes, we've seen a couple of reall good ones I know, but he could be nigh on impossible to defendTo the top wrote: ↑Sun 10 Nov 2019 5:58pm Marshall’s impact was around the ground including at ground level following ruck contests
His marking improved markedly to compliment his athleticism - and we saw what we saw
The immediate impact of Ryder will be the option of playing Marshall forward where I am of the view he will be a sensation with his attributes
To me this is the reason Bruce was traded out
The next concern is back up for Ryder because currently there is noneAt any rate, Max has done the recovery time and work, so should play if ready
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My concerns are as much about the required culture for this next phase of the rebuild, the culture now has to be you have to push a player out of the best 22. Max was only starting to show something at VFL level and was arguably a week away from his debut. If it comes down to Ryder and Max for a position in round 1 say, and based on both players having a successful pre season then Ryder gets picked ahead of Max based on proven ability at the elite level. Surely.barneyboyz wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 1:11pmAbsolutely he would not be an automatic selection, I should have clarified my point better. He plays round 1 if ready and fit, but to not do so simply due to his knee issues is problematic tooSecret Kiel wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 1:03pmI'm not so convinced he's an automatic selection, a few practice matches isn't enough to get him selected over say someone like Ryder who should get first crack based on proven ability at the elite level. Then it is up to Max to push him out from there.barneyboyz wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 1:00pmIf he's fit come round 1 he plays. But as has been said, he won't get the #1 defender, if he doe's then someone's going to have a partySecret Kiel wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 11:48amumm because Max is/has been injury prone to-date. Hasn't achieved anything other than being handed the No. 12 jumper. Who knows, Max could have a shorter career than Paddy, it happens too often for it not to be a real possibility. Personally I'd like to see Max spend most of 2020 at Sandy getting physically conditioned.saynta wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 11:10amHis brother isn't so why should he.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 9:20amyou'd have to think he will start in the forward line come round 1, I'm hoping he really keeps Max King out of the side for as long as possible to allow Max to build up to his first game. I have concerns over Max being fragile and injury prone.barneyboyz wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 7:58am+1 I totally agree with this. Marshall as a forward could be something the likes of we've never seen. Well yes, we've seen a couple of reall good ones I know, but he could be nigh on impossible to defendTo the top wrote: ↑Sun 10 Nov 2019 5:58pm Marshall’s impact was around the ground including at ground level following ruck contests
His marking improved markedly to compliment his athleticism - and we saw what we saw
The immediate impact of Ryder will be the option of playing Marshall forward where I am of the view he will be a sensation with his attributes
To me this is the reason Bruce was traded out
The next concern is back up for Ryder because currently there is noneAt any rate, Max has done the recovery time and work, so should play if ready
Watch the PR video the club just posted with Ratten the 1-4 year players. He's made it clear the new players have to push players out. Is Ratten going to chose Max for round one based on how many games in the VFL nearly 9 months earlier? He'd be contradicting himself pretty early on and creating discontent with the players pretty early on if starts picking unproven players ahead of proven stars.
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What a load of speculative crap.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 2:09pm
My concerns are as much about the required culture for this next phase of the rebuild, the culture now has to be you have to push a player out of the best 22. Max was only starting to show something at VFL level and was arguably a week away from his debut. If it comes down to Ryder and Max for a position in round 1 say, and based on both players having a successful pre season then Ryder gets picked ahead of Max based on proven ability at the elite level. Surely.
Watch the PR video the club just posted with Ratten the 1-4 year players. He's made it clear the new players have to push players out. Is Ratten going to chose Max for round one based on how many games in the VFL nearly 9 months earlier? He'd be contradicting himself pretty early on and creating discontent with the players pretty early on if starts picking unproven players ahead of proven stars.
Max was one game away from debut before injury, source - a close family member.
If Max is fit and remotely in form, he plays round one.
You have no idea how highly he is viewed internally to suggest above.
His brother is getting more that two times the $ Max gets, which includes a huge AFL marketing allowance (source - family member) and you think the club should give him the bulk of the season at Sandy. He’d request a trade at year end and the AFL would love him up North.
If fit Max plays round 1, lock it in now!
If Ryder is fit, both will play, they are not competing for a place.
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Old school Saints thinking. I don't care if you were there when Max was conceived. If Max get's a game purely because he's remotely fit and the club are paranoid he'll request a trade then he will be the genesis for this current rebuild failing. Let's hope he earns his spot by pushing a player out of the team otherwise we might as well start talking about sacking Ratts for having double standards and having favourites.
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Max has pushed a player out
Bruce
Ryder is a bog average forward and doesn’t really like playing there, prefers the freedom of the ruck (where you cruise around without an opponent most of the time)
Marshall will also be an average forward, good ruckman mind you.
Max will definitely play R1
Bruce
Ryder is a bog average forward and doesn’t really like playing there, prefers the freedom of the ruck (where you cruise around without an opponent most of the time)
Marshall will also be an average forward, good ruckman mind you.
Max will definitely play R1
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Noted that you think Marshall will be an average forward.B.M wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 9:50pm Max has pushed a player out
Bruce
Ryder is a bog average forward and doesn’t really like playing there, prefers the freedom of the ruck (where you cruise around without an opponent most of the time)
Marshall will also be an average forward, good ruckman mind you.
Max will definitely play R1
I think he will be above average in the minutes he plays there.
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What ruckmen over the journey have been good forwards?
Forwards have turned into ruckmen, but rarely the other way around.
Marshall is mobile for a big man, but does he possess the speed and agility to be a KPP?
Could he apply defensive pressure
What’s he like with a close checking opponent?
He could play forward, but will be far more effective in the ruck imo
Forwards have turned into ruckmen, but rarely the other way around.
Marshall is mobile for a big man, but does he possess the speed and agility to be a KPP?
Could he apply defensive pressure
What’s he like with a close checking opponent?
He could play forward, but will be far more effective in the ruck imo
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Alright, but not a key forward really, more resting in the FP
Heatley and Loewe played FF and CHF
Spider kicked 40 goals a couple of times
Was a far better ruckman than forward
Heatley and Loewe played FF and CHF
Spider kicked 40 goals a couple of times
Was a far better ruckman than forward
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Wow, you really are an extremist aren’t you!Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 7:44pm Old school Saints thinking. I don't care if you were there when Max was conceived. If Max get's a game purely because he's remotely fit and the club are paranoid he'll request a trade then he will be the genesis for this current rebuild failing. Let's hope he earns his spot by pushing a player out of the team otherwise we might as well start talking about sacking Ratts for having double standards and having favourites.
Talk about Ratts getting sacked because of playing favorites and rebuild failing because a couple of us are of the opinion a 206cm highly rated athletic forward will play round 1 if fit.
I guess in your model he plays the season at Sandy because he’s injury prone and fighting Ryder for a spot in the team, guess you can’t get injured at Sandy.
Do you think Bruce would have been traded if King wasn’t in the clubs plans for round 1 and beyond?
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Don't get all bent outa shape, but I'm not sure re Bruce being traded but seeing as though you are an ITK maybe you could ask your close family member, or CFM as it will be known from this point forward.Joffa Burns wrote: ↑Tue 12 Nov 2019 8:11amWow, you really are an extremist aren’t you!Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 7:44pm Old school Saints thinking. I don't care if you were there when Max was conceived. If Max get's a game purely because he's remotely fit and the club are paranoid he'll request a trade then he will be the genesis for this current rebuild failing. Let's hope he earns his spot by pushing a player out of the team otherwise we might as well start talking about sacking Ratts for having double standards and having favourites.
Talk about Ratts getting sacked because of playing favorites and rebuild failing because a couple of us are of the opinion a 206cm highly rated athletic forward will play round 1 if fit.
I guess in your model he plays the season at Sandy because he’s injury prone and fighting Ryder for a spot in the team, guess you can’t get injured at Sandy.
Do you think Bruce would have been traded if King wasn’t in the clubs plans for round 1 and beyond?
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Marshall was recruited as a forward and, for a beginner, looked more than useful in his early games at chf, I thought. Strong, mobile, good hands, good kick and, most of all, a smart footballer.B.M wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 10:18pm What ruckmen over the journey have been good forwards?
Forwards have turned into ruckmen, but rarely the other way around.
Marshall is mobile for a big man, but does he possess the speed and agility to be a KPP?
Could he apply defensive pressure
What’s he like with a close checking opponent?
He could play forward, but will be far more effective in the ruck imo
I’m not one for pigeonholing players. I’d classify him firstly as a good footballer and I think he’s capable of playing forward, back or ruck.
Recruiting Ryder makes us very adaptable. Both can ruck, both can push forward and be damaging. Both are mobile enough that we’ll be able to play two rucks, which will give us a point of difference against the modern paradigm.
I think that’s great and exactly what we need. It will be surprisingly effective.
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Well put bigcarl, thank god Marshall wasn't pigeon holed (he actually was, as a forward / pinch hitting ruck) or else we'd still be debating over Longer & Pierce. Marshall is versatile and with the confidence taken from 2019 will continue to grow wherever he plays.bigcarl wrote: ↑Tue 12 Nov 2019 9:52amMarshall was recruited as a forward and, for a beginner, looked more than useful in his early games at chf, I thought. Strong, mobile, good hands, good kick and, most of all, a smart footballer.B.M wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 10:18pm What ruckmen over the journey have been good forwards?
Forwards have turned into ruckmen, but rarely the other way around.
Marshall is mobile for a big man, but does he possess the speed and agility to be a KPP?
Could he apply defensive pressure
What’s he like with a close checking opponent?
He could play forward, but will be far more effective in the ruck imo
I’m not one for pigeonholing players. I’d classify him firstly as a good footballer and I think he’s capable of playing forward, back or ruck.
Recruiting Ryder makes us very adaptable. Both can ruck, both can push forward and be damaging. Both are mobile enough that we’ll be able to play two rucks, which will give us a point of difference against the modern paradigm.
I think that’s great and exactly what we need. It will be surprisingly effective.
People get confused believing Ryder pushed Bruce out when they are two separate trades. We always needed ruck depth, experienced and otherwise. Bruce needed a long contract. Both got what they wanted.
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Lol, you write don’t get bent out of shape then proceed to get all salty with your postSecret Kiel wrote: ↑Tue 12 Nov 2019 8:29amDon't get all bent outa shape, but I'm not sure re Bruce being traded but seeing as though you are an ITK maybe you could ask your close family member, or CFM as it will be known from this point forward.Joffa Burns wrote: ↑Tue 12 Nov 2019 8:11amWow, you really are an extremist aren’t you!Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 7:44pm Old school Saints thinking. I don't care if you were there when Max was conceived. If Max get's a game purely because he's remotely fit and the club are paranoid he'll request a trade then he will be the genesis for this current rebuild failing. Let's hope he earns his spot by pushing a player out of the team otherwise we might as well start talking about sacking Ratts for having double standards and having favourites.
Talk about Ratts getting sacked because of playing favorites and rebuild failing because a couple of us are of the opinion a 206cm highly rated athletic forward will play round 1 if fit.
I guess in your model he plays the season at Sandy because he’s injury prone and fighting Ryder for a spot in the team, guess you can’t get injured at Sandy.
Do you think Bruce would have been traded if King wasn’t in the clubs plans for round 1 and beyond?
ITK - lol again, never been an ITK and never claimed to be, just quoted a family member of the King twins.
Let’s get back on track with the topic, I think Max will play round one as he is in our best two forward KPP options. You think he’s behind Ryder and should be playing most of the season at Sandy.
Let’s agree to disagree
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This isn't just about round 1 2020. if it's round 2, 6, 10 OR 23? Point is, for us to get better some senior players need to be pushed out, simple.Secret Kiel wrote: ↑Mon 11 Nov 2019 7:44pm Old school Saints thinking. I don't care if you were there when Max was conceived. If Max get's a game purely because he's remotely fit and the club are paranoid he'll request a trade then he will be the genesis for this current rebuild failing. Let's hope he earns his spot by pushing a player out of the team otherwise we might as well start talking about sacking Ratts for having double standards and having favourites.
I tried to be funny about what that meant for Gears i.e. his kicking. Fact is, nearly everything Jarryn does on a football field is about desparation, you either got it or not... but someone at this club needs to match him on that, and deliver the footy with a reasonable amount of accuracy.
If Gears plays a significant role next season (on field), then nobody has pushed him hard enough, and we ain't ready for finals
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