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Good point actually.3rd generation saint wrote:I don't know which overseas people you have been talking too, but everyone of my American friends who live in America, love the game and would love to go to one if they could get down here during the season.
It has everything Americans love about sport, it's fast, teams score regularly, players tackle each other and it has drama.
All of these reasons probably explain why soccer has never been a success in the U.S. beyond 10 year olds and their moms.
Black or white.GrumpyOne wrote:
Yeah.... RL didn't win us a flag, gambled and lost on a couple of draft picks, time to sack him.
Sheesh, but for Pakistan's imeptitude we could have had Ricky Ponting.
The difference between Aussie sport and Americam sport is that Aussies actually go and support their teams live on a regular basis, because its affordablerodgerfox wrote:Good point actually.3rd generation saint wrote:I don't know which overseas people you have been talking too, but everyone of my American friends who live in America, love the game and would love to go to one if they could get down here during the season.
It has everything Americans love about sport, it's fast, teams score regularly, players tackle each other and it has drama.
All of these reasons probably explain why soccer has never been a success in the U.S. beyond 10 year olds and their moms.
The game is very much Americanised. And no surprise that the AFL honchos do annual trips to the States to 'research' the NFL.
The problem with that though, is it reallly supports my point.
The Yanks are cool with a club changing it's name like I change my jocks. They're cool with a club pulling up stumps and moving somewhere else. They don't generally give a shiit - because they're (generally) passionate about the sport.
They're passionate about watching it. Which in American sport, is the main thing.
Australian's generally follow things they are parochial about. Ford or Holden, the cricket, the NRL, the AFL, and slowly the A-League due it's 'state vs state' rivalry that is slowly being built up.
The AFL have made it pretty clear that they think the American way is the go. Remove the contact as much as possible, speed it up, sanitise it, and charge people to even think about it.
Aussies however, I believe, will simply start watching something else if the passion and tribal element is removed from the footy. Which it has been.
My mates took to Miami to see the Basketball... $25 for a bourbon and coke.saint66au wrote:The difference between Aussie sport and Americam sport is that Aussies actually go and support their teams live on a regular basis, because its affordablerodgerfox wrote:Good point actually.3rd generation saint wrote:I don't know which overseas people you have been talking too, but everyone of my American friends who live in America, love the game and would love to go to one if they could get down here during the season.
It has everything Americans love about sport, it's fast, teams score regularly, players tackle each other and it has drama.
All of these reasons probably explain why soccer has never been a success in the U.S. beyond 10 year olds and their moms.
The game is very much Americanised. And no surprise that the AFL honchos do annual trips to the States to 'research' the NFL.
The problem with that though, is it reallly supports my point.
The Yanks are cool with a club changing it's name like I change my jocks. They're cool with a club pulling up stumps and moving somewhere else. They don't generally give a shiit - because they're (generally) passionate about the sport.
They're passionate about watching it. Which in American sport, is the main thing.
Australian's generally follow things they are parochial about. Ford or Holden, the cricket, the NRL, the AFL, and slowly the A-League due it's 'state vs state' rivalry that is slowly being built up.
The AFL have made it pretty clear that they think the American way is the go. Remove the contact as much as possible, speed it up, sanitise it, and charge people to even think about it.
Aussies however, I believe, will simply start watching something else if the passion and tribal element is removed from the footy. Which it has been.
Go have a look at how much a season ticket is for the average NFL or even college football game in the states and you'll see why people choose to watch it on TV
Same goes for NBA, MLB and NHL games
Um, if I recall, the then VFL decided to go national. Whether this was seen as visionary or simply a neccesity to survive... I have no idea.rodgerfox wrote:They were before the AFL pillaged the VFL.Milton66 wrote:If it was about passion for the game, then VFL attendances would be much higher.
Passionate supporters of VFL clubs found themselves supporting AFL reserves teams - which clearly didn't appeal.
Milton66 wrote:Um, if I recall, the then VFL decided to go national. Whether this was seen as visionary or simply a neccesity to survive... I have no idea.rodgerfox wrote:They were before the AFL pillaged the VFL.Milton66 wrote:If it was about passion for the game, then VFL attendances would be much higher.
Passionate supporters of VFL clubs found themselves supporting AFL reserves teams - which clearly didn't appeal.
That decision will never be reversed. As I said, it was suburban rivalry.
Who lives in Nth Melb or Footscray these days? Or even Collingwood for that matter.
Evolution like change is inevitable.
I have fond memories as a kid going to the footy every Saturday. 6 games... check the scores on the board... A v B etc.
But life goes on.
We digress. Perhaps fodder for another thread?
You may be watching something else but luckily for the AFL most other people are watching the AFL both live and on TV so your last comment is pure speculation based on no facts at all.rodgerfox wrote:Good point actually.3rd generation saint wrote:I don't know which overseas people you have been talking too, but everyone of my American friends who live in America, love the game and would love to go to one if they could get down here during the season.
It has everything Americans love about sport, it's fast, teams score regularly, players tackle each other and it has drama.
All of these reasons probably explain why soccer has never been a success in the U.S. beyond 10 year olds and their moms.
The game is very much Americanised. And no surprise that the AFL honchos do annual trips to the States to 'research' the NFL.
The problem with that though, is it reallly supports my point.
The Yanks are cool with a club changing it's name like I change my jocks. They're cool with a club pulling up stumps and moving somewhere else. They don't generally give a shiit - because they're (generally) passionate about the sport.
They're passionate about watching it. Which in American sport, is the main thing.
Australian's generally follow things they are parochial about. Ford or Holden, the cricket, the NRL, the AFL, and slowly the A-League due it's 'state vs state' rivalry that is slowly being built up.
The AFL have made it pretty clear that they think the American way is the go. Remove the contact as much as possible, speed it up, sanitise it, and charge people to even think about it.
Aussies however, I believe, will simply start watching something else if the passion and tribal element is removed from the footy. Which it has been.
The one thing that amazes me is that you whinge about what I post like a child, yet respond all the time.plugger66 wrote:
The one thing that amazes me is that you write you have no passion for game but you obviously continue to read a website on our footy club and continually write passionately that you have no passion for the game.
I share the disenchantment with the game - it's the club that engages with me.plugger66 wrote:The one thing that amazes me is that you write you have no passion for game but you obviously continue to read a website on our footy club and continually write passionately that you have no passion for the game.
Not so sure it is as clear as all this. There is a massive amount of tribal parochialism attached to sport in the US, it just does not exist as readily at the top levels of each sport, namely NFL, Ice Hockey and Basketball, with perhaps baseball being the exception. The issue with US sport is that at the top level, it has become out of reach of the average Joe citizen. This is partly why passionate tribal parochialism is rampant at college/school level. Americans tend to follow their local college/school teams in the same way as we, for example, might have followed a VFA side in (glory) days past. It a generalisation (and an unfair one) to suggest that sport in America is packaged, corporate and lacking in demographic allignment.rodgerfox wrote:Good point actually.3rd generation saint wrote:I don't know which overseas people you have been talking too, but everyone of my American friends who live in America, love the game and would love to go to one if they could get down here during the season.
It has everything Americans love about sport, it's fast, teams score regularly, players tackle each other and it has drama.
All of these reasons probably explain why soccer has never been a success in the U.S. beyond 10 year olds and their moms.
The game is very much Americanised. And no surprise that the AFL honchos do annual trips to the States to 'research' the NFL.
The problem with that though, is it reallly supports my point.
The Yanks are cool with a club changing it's name like I change my jocks. They're cool with a club pulling up stumps and moving somewhere else. They don't generally give a shiit - because they're (generally) passionate about the sport.
They're passionate about watching it. Which in American sport, is the main thing.
Australian's generally follow things they are parochial about. Ford or Holden, the cricket, the NRL, the AFL, and slowly the A-League due it's 'state vs state' rivalry that is slowly being built up.
The AFL have made it pretty clear that they think the American way is the go. Remove the contact as much as possible, speed it up, sanitise it, and charge people to even think about it.
Aussies however, I believe, will simply start watching something else if the passion and tribal element is removed from the footy. Which it has been.