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If that's true Con, then the Dreamons were clearly asking for better than pick 20 or so, as they did shop him around end of 2013... not one club was interested.Con Gorozidis wrote:I think every single club would take Watts. The question is what would they give up for him? Probably a pick 20 or so would be about right.
Plus one (and thanks).6621104 wrote:I'm with Dave on this one, watts can't win the hard ball - he skirts the pack looking for the easy possie. if Melbourne put him up for trade they would get no takers. he is one who shows that statistics tell us nothing.
the comparison with Billings is laughable.
I can't answer your first question Con,Con Gorozidis wrote:How is Watts relevant to the price of fish in Siberia?
I actually agree with plugger that a young Birchall or Isaac Smith style player would be a very handy addition at the Saints to compliment our 'grunters' (Ross, Weller, Armo, Dunstan, Petracca).
however Wattshegoodfor is a classic example of why I disagree with Plugster when he says that "all AFL footballers can win their own contested footy". Wattshegoodfor... can't! That's why he's knocked Josh Fraser from the mantle of worst No 1 draft pick in recent times.
) their own contested footy... when required. I have never stated that I don't want blokes who can run and carry (despite Plug's claims), only that they must also be able to win their own footy when required. 
My thoughts on this assumes Aish to move to SA for 2016:Con Gorozidis wrote:But how in terms of mechanics of a trade?stinger wrote:Con Gorozidis wrote:How would he get to Port? Even if uncontracted he has no chance of getting to port.
port or adelaide...take your pick...he is a croweater and wants to go home.....in fact he never wanted to leave sa....
Wouldnt be easy unless Crows finish bottom 2.
Port wont have a top 10 pick and the Lions would need an absolute gun in return. So what he wants doesnt help him get anywhere.
Dave McNamara wrote:I agree with BK above... if Petracca wasn't in the draft I'd be taking Cockatoo. This guy will be a star. I'd even put him ahead of Brayshaw as being the second best player in the draft.
Be wonderful if he made it though to pick 21... but probably unlikely.
He'll be a player that people come to watch... incredible balance, but also seems to display 360 degrees awareness of what's around him... and sure has some tricks.
McKenzie is interesting... how can McCartin be rated above him? Ok, (non straight line) agility seems an issue, but the main thing that would concern me is his poor record against better defenders... big worry that one, but he could have a real upside.
Lambikins also looks a natural... we just gotta' motivate him.
James Rose also looked a natural, but can he beef up enough(?)
Touk also looked good... a pretentious wanky name given by wanky parents... except... it really works.We should get him just to have a Touk on our list.
Be great if young Caleb made it through to either pick 41, or if we're being greedy, the Rookie Draft. I'd really like us to get hold of him.
The other Delaney... unless his foot is totally shot, and since they said it's a hallux problem, I'd be surprised if that's the case... would be a real steal to land him. As another Saintsationalist pointed out, the Delaney brothers could hold down our key defensive posts till into the next decade.
Finally... I really hope that we do not pick-up any of the three 'permission to train with us' blokes.
As for Schnieds... what's going on there? If his body is still up to it then he's one of our very best, but the last few years strongly suggest that his body isn't up to it anymore... if so, why would we rookie him???
Only see this as salary cap management going forward.
Lambikins and Cockatoo... we gotta spread the Darling-esque rumours about how both blokes are KKK members and supporters of ISIS.
Take 2saint6709 wrote:
I see Con also has Cockatoo ahead of BrayshawDave McNamara wrote:I agree with BK above... if Petracca wasn't in the draft I'd be taking Cockatoo. This guy will be a star. I'd even put him ahead of Brayshaw as being the second best player in the draft.
Ive never claimed to be an expert. Just my run of the mill footy forum opinion.Devilhead wrote:I see Con also has Cockatoo ahead of BrayshawDave McNamara wrote:I agree with BK above... if Petracca wasn't in the draft I'd be taking Cockatoo. This guy will be a star. I'd even put him ahead of Brayshaw as being the second best player in the draft.
OK your opinion but based on what??
The majority of draft experts don't where to place him due to his very limited exposure
Has your opinion been formed from one video highlights package from one game??
It just ..... the vibe ....... of the thing!!Con Gorozidis wrote: Ive never claimed to be an expert. Just my run of the mill footy forum opinion.
His test results are outstanding (objective) and I like the cut of his jib (subjective).
He also gets bonus points in my mind for having a cool name.
What Con said!Con Gorozidis wrote:Ive never claimed to be an expert. Just my run of the mill footy forum opinion.Devilhead wrote:I see Con also has Cockatoo ahead of BrayshawDave McNamara wrote:I agree with BK above... if Petracca wasn't in the draft I'd be taking Cockatoo. This guy will be a star. I'd even put him ahead of Brayshaw as being the second best player in the draft.
OK your opinion but based on what??
The majority of draft experts don't where to place him due to his very limited exposure
Has your opinion been formed from one video highlights package from one game??
His test results are outstanding (objective) and I like the cut of his jib (subjective).
He also gets bonus points in my mind for having a cool name.
), the acceleration... and the vision. Combine that with the fact that he's already solidly built, so (unlike many highly touted blokes) I expect no problems for Nakia in competing against AFL sized bodies. Probably a logical position Kosi. Its hard to see him getting past both the Bombers picks (17&20).kosifantutti wrote:I don't understand the excitement about Cockatoo.
If he's as good as people are saying he won't be around for our second pick.
If he's around for our second pick, he's not as good as people are saying.
Dave McNamara wrote:I can't answer your first question Con,Con Gorozidis wrote:How is Watts relevant to the price of fish in Siberia?
I actually agree with plugger that a young Birchall or Isaac Smith style player would be a very handy addition at the Saints to compliment our 'grunters' (Ross, Weller, Armo, Dunstan, Petracca).
Blokes who are dependent on others to do the hard work for them are a liability... stop the blokes who are spoon feeding the receivers, and the receivers also disappear from the game. Therefore... receiver = liability.
IMHO all our blokes must be able to win (and relish winning
So I don't care if someone like Jack Billings has a low percentage of contested possessions, coz I know that he can win the hard ball when required... c/f the likes of Wattshegoodfor... who can not(!)
PS: Birchall... I knew there was one more in that Dawks side! I wouldn't touch him!
Whoops, Pluggs just spilt his beer all over his KFC (skin on) deep fried rat meat chicken wing.
Why? Very overrated. Sure, a great kick, but just gets soft possessions out on his own... hey, I could do that. And if I could do that on a footy field, then it can't be too damn hard(!)
Issac Smith... yep, good player... skilled... and when needed... can win his own contested footy. And that's the key and non-negotiable difference IMHO.
Dave McNamara wrote:What Con said!Con Gorozidis wrote:Ive never claimed to be an expert. Just my run of the mill footy forum opinion.Devilhead wrote:I see Con also has Cockatoo ahead of BrayshawDave McNamara wrote:I agree with BK above... if Petracca wasn't in the draft I'd be taking Cockatoo. This guy will be a star. I'd even put him ahead of Brayshaw as being the second best player in the draft.
OK your opinion but based on what??
The majority of draft experts don't where to place him due to his very limited exposure
Has your opinion been formed from one video highlights package from one game??
His test results are outstanding (objective) and I like the cut of his jib (subjective).
He also gets bonus points in my mind for having a cool name.
DH, yep, just reading and that one highlights package.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-16/cockatoo-flying
But c/f say Brayshaw's (surprisingly) underwhelming highlights, Nakia looks like a bloke that people will come to watch. The balance, evasive skills (love the backing out of a tackle fend off
IMHO, will be an absolute star!
I also reckon that draft 'bargains' can be found in highlighly talented blokes who slip under the radar a bit due to a badly timed injury... enter Nakia Cockatoo.
Actually, based on what she's got there taking into account academy and father-son and going strictly on rank order it would be:Megamaguire wrote:This year Emma has the Saints picking HB/MID Dillon Viojo-Rainbow @ #21 & Def Clem Smith @ 22...
True Believer wrote:Actually just watched the Cockatoo highlights reel, and whilst factoring in that it's a highlights package, if the kid can get the ball 20 times a game and show that evasiveness, vision and pace, then I'm sold. Backs himself instinctively to beat them with pace and looks for options the second he gets possession. He looks to me like he is quick thinking, as well as being fleet of foot, and that is very much the difference between blokes that seem to have time when they have the ball, against blokes that always seem rushed.
Melbourne would be laughing themselves stupid if that happened - would almost erase the Watts error.bergholt wrote:Actually, based on what she's got there taking into account academy and father-son and going strictly on rank order it would be:Megamaguire wrote:This year Emma has the Saints picking HB/MID Dillon Viojo-Rainbow @ #21 & Def Clem Smith @ 22...
1: St Kilda - Peter Wright (2)
2: Melbourne - Christian Petracca (3)
3: Melbourne - Paddy McCartin (4)
4: GWS - Angus Brayshaw (6)
5: Collingwood - Jayden Laverde (7)
6: GWS - Liam Duggan (8)
7: GWS - Paul Ahern (9)
8: Gold Coast - Nakia Cockatoo (10)
9: Collingwood - Darcy Moore (5)
10: Geelong - Jake Lever (11)
11: West Coast - Jarrod Pickett (13)
12: Richmond - Tom Lamb (14)
13: Fremantle - Jordan De Goey (15)
14: Adelaide - Sam Durdin (16)
15: Gold Coast - Kyle Langford (17)
16: North Melbourne - Corey Ellis (18)
17: Essendon - Lachie Weller (19)
18: Sydney - Isaac Heeney (1)
19: Carlton - Alex Neal-Bullen (20)
20: Essendon - Dillon Viojo-Rainbow (21)
21: St Kilda - Clem Smith (22)
22: St Kilda - Hugh Goddard (23)
23: GWS - Liam Dawson (24)
24: GWS - Jack Steele (12)
25: North Melbourne - Jarrod Garlett (25)
26: Western Bulldogs - Connor Menadue (26)
27: Western Bulldogs - Caleb Marchbank (27)
28: Carlton - Ed Vickers-Willis (28)
29: Gold Coast - Connor Blakely (29)
30: Collingwood - Brayden Maynard (30)
So according to her it's:
Peter Wright (203/100), who "might not make the immediate splash some of the onballers do" but "has all the qualities to become the best player from this draft".
Clem Smith (177/78), a "boisterous small defender" who "needs to increase his endurance".
Hugh Goddard (196/94), who "played both ends of the ground but arguably looks most comfortable as a defender".
Looks like a pretty unexciting set of picks, at least in the short-term. None of them would play more than five or ten next year, whereas Petracca should be pencilled in for 20 barring injury.
