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Thomas 6 points off a GF against an interstate team on their home deck who had been the best H/A side for 3 years.
Can’t have it both ways
Either both are failures - not getting the job done
Or
Both were good coaches, but didn’t get over the line
Because I don’t think there was a great deal between them - albeit different strengths.
BTW
Best finals win in my memory
Vs Adelaide interstate with an injury depleted team!!!
Coach - GT
Best final IMO was defeating a rampant Bulldogs side in an 09 Preliminary Final when the team had been up for 19 in a row to actually MAKE the Grand Final
But if you like losses earlier in finals and not playing in GFs if that floats your boat so be it
B.M wrote: ↑Sat 02 Oct 2021 3:36pm
One coach finished 2nd twice
One coach finished 3rd twice
Lyon had the more experienced core
I disagree
GT had tons of experience
Gehrig Hamill Harvey Peckett Jones Powell Thompson Hudgton etc
That’s just more made up dribble
Anyhow I’ve got brownies in the oven otherwise I’d love to stick round and compare “opinions ” but mines right and you know it
That’s rubbish
Thompson was a B&F not fringe
Utter nonsense
He had arguably more credentialed experience than Lyon
Guys like B Voss weren’t little kids
Thompson won a B&F in 2000 at 28yo - in a side that finished 16th with 2 wins
Thompson was a good player in his prime, but no star. Great effort to win a B&F but did it in a season where the best four players had season ending injuries
They made finals in 2004/2005 when Thompson was 32/33yo
He was starting on the bench and coming on to give Hayes Harvey and Ball a rest.
I think to call Andrew Thompson and Frankie Peckett fringe players is just a bit demeaning. Andrew Thompson was solid and dependable and Peckett was sometimes a bit hit and miss but was a great player in the wet for some reason. Powell I don’t have a great memory of, at first I confused him with Luke Penny who was a huge loss.
As for re-writing history, again we have a pot & kettle syndrome here.
Rugby League would have to be the stupidest, most moronic and over rated game of all time.
Thomas 6 points off a GF against an interstate team on their home deck who had been the best H/A side for 3 years.
Can’t have it both ways
Either both are failures - not getting the job done
Or
Both were good coaches, but didn’t get over the line
Because I don’t think there was a great deal between them - albeit different strengths.
BTW
Best finals win in my memory
Vs Adelaide interstate with an injury depleted team!!!
Coach - GT
Best final IMO was defeating a rampant Bulldogs side in an 09 Preliminary Final when the team had been up for 19 in a row to actually MAKE the Grand Final
But if you like losses earlier in finals and not playing in GFs if that floats your boat so be it
We smashed the Doggies in Round 17 by 45 points in home and away, but they nearly beat us in the prelim in 2009…Not sure how ‘rampant’ they were. We actually disposed of them in Round 6 that year pretty easily too!
Our super coach (At That Time) didn’t think things through properly when preparing the best team of the year for their finals campaign. Super effort from the players being up for 19 in a row in 2009 and busting their guts to win that McLellan trophy….
but pretty dumb from the super coach (At That Time) who learnt a thing or two (at St Kilda’s expense) from his blunder when he was later coaching Fremantle and rested 11 players in the last round of home and away https://www.afl.com.au/news/38538/docke ... inal-round
They were 32/33 and 31/32 years old by the time the 04/05 final series rolled around.
Both by then were definitely finge players/role players
They new that, and they were important in their roles
Thomson at 221 games and Peckett at 252 games indicates they were more than just fringe players. I think where we are at odds is that you are limiting it to the 04/05 series where as I am thinking about their whole career.
I think it’s a bit demeaning to rate their whole career on their last season or so.
Rugby League would have to be the stupidest, most moronic and over rated game of all time.
Thomas 6 points off a GF against an interstate team on their home deck who had been the best H/A side for 3 years.
Can’t have it both ways
Either both are failures - not getting the job done
Or
Both were good coaches, but didn’t get over the line
Because I don’t think there was a great deal between them - albeit different strengths.
BTW
Best finals win in my memory
Vs Adelaide interstate with an injury depleted team!!!
Coach - GT
Best final IMO was defeating a rampant Bulldogs side in an 09 Preliminary Final when the team had been up for 19 in a row to actually MAKE the Grand Final
But if you like losses earlier in finals and not playing in GFs if that floats your boat so be it
We smashed the Doggies in Round 17 by 45 points in home and away, but they nearly beat us in the prelim in 2009…Not sure how ‘rampant’ they were. We actually disposed of them in Round 6 that year pretty easily too!
Our super coach (At That Time) didn’t think things through properly when preparing the best team of the year for their finals campaign. Super effort from the players being up for 19 in a row in 2009 and busting their guts to win that McLellan trophy….
but pretty dumb from the super coach (At That Time) who learnt a thing or two (at St Kilda’s expense) from his blunder when he was later coaching Fremantle and rested 11 players in the last round of home and away https://www.afl.com.au/news/38538/docke ... inal-round
So are you suggesting that the Saints should have eased up a bit during the '09 season? What, like 2004 when after winning 10 on the trot, and thrashing the opposition by over 100 pts in both rounds 9 & 10, the coach (at that time), instead of training, took the players to the movies, after which they lost momentum and proceeded to lose 4 out of the next 5 games, and then needed to "bust a gut" to get their season back on track? Got smashed in the first final, and didn't even get to the GF. Not very astute.
Teflon wrote: ↑Sat 02 Oct 2021 3:22pm
Serious question for other sensible posters on this thread
IF by miracle Saints made another GF
How would people feel about Ross Lyon presenting the cup to the team?
It makes sense, most successful coach in living memory passing that baton on so to speak
Welcome others thoughts.
That is pure bulls*** and thankfully will never happen.
Firstly St Kilda would never agree and secondly there are dozens of more deserving individuals.
Must be sad to live in your fantasy world where you hero worship a turd.
Teflon wrote: ↑Sat 02 Oct 2021 3:22pm
Serious question for other sensible posters on this thread
IF by miracle Saints made another GF
How would people feel about Ross Lyon presenting the cup to the team?
It makes sense, most successful coach in living memory passing that baton on so to speak
Welcome others thoughts.
Only if about 100 others said no!
Lenny and BJ would be my first pick as they did most IN GF's to get us over the line.
Luke Ball would probably be about 50 spots ahead of Lyon as he was deprived of his opportunity to do as Lenny and BJ did.,
Teflon wrote: ↑Sat 02 Oct 2021 3:22pm
Serious question for other sensible posters on this thread
IF by miracle Saints made another GF
How would people feel about Ross Lyon presenting the cup to the team?
It makes sense, most successful coach in living memory passing that baton on so to speak
Welcome others thoughts.
Only if about 100 others said no!
Lenny and BJ would be my first pick as they did most IN GF's to get us over the line.
Luke Ball would probably be about 50 spots ahead of Lyon as he was deprived of his opportunity to do as Lenny and BJ did.,
B.M wrote: ↑Sat 02 Oct 2021 11:59pm
Thompson won a B&F in 2000 at 28yo - in a side that finished 16th with 2 wins
Thompson was a good player in his prime, but no star. Great effort to win a B&F but did it in a season where the best four players had season ending injuries
They made finals in 2004/2005 when Thompson was 32/33yo
He was starting on the bench and coming on to give Hayes Harvey and Ball a rest.
Stop rewriting history to suit your agenda
So had no experience??
That was the point ????
Stay on topic much?
B.M wrote: ↑Sun 03 Oct 2021 12:15pm
Rampant Bulldogs????
We lose that prelim… Moorabbin would have been burned down!!!
As it was
We fell over the line with a dodgy free kick to Nick
Had they kicked straight Qtr 1 when they were ALL OVER US we would’ve lost
Do you even watch the games or just make it on the internet as you go???
They were blitzing us early absolutely rampant
Go back and watch the tapes ffs
Thomas 6 points off a GF against an interstate team on their home deck who had been the best H/A side for 3 years.
Can’t have it both ways
Either both are failures - not getting the job done
Or
Both were good coaches, but didn’t get over the line
Because I don’t think there was a great deal between them - albeit different strengths.
BTW
Best finals win in my memory
Vs Adelaide interstate with an injury depleted team!!!
Coach - GT
Best final IMO was defeating a rampant Bulldogs side in an 09 Preliminary Final when the team had been up for 19 in a row to actually MAKE the Grand Final
But if you like losses earlier in finals and not playing in GFs if that floats your boat so be it
We smashed the Doggies in Round 17 by 45 points in home and away, but they nearly beat us in the prelim in 2009…Not sure how ‘rampant’ they were. We actually disposed of them in Round 6 that year pretty easily too!
Our super coach (At That Time) didn’t think things through properly when preparing the best team of the year for their finals campaign. Super effort from the players being up for 19 in a row in 2009 and busting their guts to win that McLellan trophy….
but pretty dumb from the super coach (At That Time) who learnt a thing or two (at St Kilda’s expense) from his blunder when he was later coaching Fremantle and rested 11 players in the last round of home and away https://www.afl.com.au/news/38538/docke ... inal-round
Super coach still got us over the line though YOUR super coach was still doing Russian weight loss diets at home at the time
Couldn’t care less about other games in the season the discussion was on 2009 prelim the rest, like much of your posting, is irrelevant
Do try and keep up
happy feet wrote: ↑Sun 03 Oct 2021 10:18am
I think to call Andrew Thompson and Frankie Peckett fringe players is just a bit demeaning. Andrew Thompson was solid and dependable and Peckett was sometimes a bit hit and miss but was a great player in the wet for some reason. Powell I don’t have a great memory of, at first I confused him with Luke Penny who was a huge loss.
As for re-writing history, again we have a pot & kettle syndrome here.
Spot on
Point he was trying to make was that GT had no experience in his sides
More utter garbage and history re-write
Kinda sad that people can’t just accept facts
GT couldn’t even get us there - he couldn’t even manufacture a shot at a flag for the club
He was a caretaker coach who became dictator
