We were a premiership favourite at the start of the 2007 season, psycho.barks4eva wrote:Well Jeffrey when the contract was signed, St.Kilda were thought of as a premiership favourite
GT. Bring him back.
Moderators: Saintsational Administrators, Saintsational Moderators
- cowboy18
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 5795
- Joined: Tue 09 Mar 2004 1:05pm
- Location: in my duffle coat
- Has thanked: 3 times
- Been thanked: 5 times
Oh When the Saints wrote:What capacity would he be of use at down at the club?
Media relations?
Fertility advice to enhance future father-son picks?
As much as a I admired his contributions at the time and felt remarkably ambivalent about his sacking, I fear we've moved on a bit. His support is valuable but any more of unlikely.
B4E,
There is a big difference between signing a document saying that you are not owed holiday pay (BTW when he still thought he had a job...and didnt like taking holidays by all accounts) and signing a document saying you have been paid your holiday pay....one has an implication you recieved your holiday pay the other that you waivered it.
it would seem to me that if he was paid the money (as you state as FACT) then there would be no need for anyone to sign a stat dec....it would be there on the record....or was it missing because of RB's dodgy accounting practices.....just how much money did RB and GT squander away from the club....while not buying new footballs
There is a big difference between signing a document saying that you are not owed holiday pay (BTW when he still thought he had a job...and didnt like taking holidays by all accounts) and signing a document saying you have been paid your holiday pay....one has an implication you recieved your holiday pay the other that you waivered it.
it would seem to me that if he was paid the money (as you state as FACT) then there would be no need for anyone to sign a stat dec....it would be there on the record....or was it missing because of RB's dodgy accounting practices.....just how much money did RB and GT squander away from the club....while not buying new footballs
- The Fireman
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 13268
- Joined: Mon 08 Mar 2004 11:54pm
- Has thanked: 649 times
- Been thanked: 1918 times
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 18600
- Joined: Thu 11 Mar 2004 1:36am
- Has thanked: 1924 times
- Been thanked: 852 times
and we weren't too flash offensively either. an across-the-board improvement is needed, starting with a forward line that kicks goalsrodgerfox wrote:The stats I've read certainly doesn't suggest that.St.Kenny wrote:True St.Kilda never played so well defensively as they did in '07 ................
We were very poor defensively last year.
One of the better threads on GT in a while. Some pretty good reading.
One highlight though is Jeff's :
Actually
Gold. Classic. Brought a smile to this cynical face.
Disclaimer: I have worked with and for GT in a previous life. I previously worked with Matt Rendell. I have been close to the inner circle previously. I am not any longer in the know with anyone at the club. End Disclaimer.
I think it was OWTS who said it. "Divisive". Pretty much spot on. His way or the highway. Many times illogical. Many times abusive and emotional. Might have been a 'great people person' in private, but I certainly didn't see it.
Glad to see him gone. Thank him for his contribution though. For all his personal faults, some of his initiatives are now common place and shouldn't be forgotten.
1. Community camps. Lead the way with Warrnambool. AFL jumped on it and now it is compulsory.
2. Overseas training camps.
3. Leadership groups and use of Ray McLean. Ray is Ray McEverywhere now.
But unfortunately, I now find myself in agreeance with B4E for the most part. The holiday pay stuff I couldn't care about, but the backroom dealings with RB were just plain wrong. His recruiting and use of the rookie list are now shown to be appalling.
He played his favourites and would stick with them through thick or thin but would freeze out others.
As for Bundy, he's a good bloke who acted as right hand man. Don't shoot him for his loyalty and service.
One highlight though is Jeff's :
![Rolling Eyes :roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
![Rolling Eyes :roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
![Rolling Eyes :roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Gold. Classic. Brought a smile to this cynical face.
Disclaimer: I have worked with and for GT in a previous life. I previously worked with Matt Rendell. I have been close to the inner circle previously. I am not any longer in the know with anyone at the club. End Disclaimer.
I think it was OWTS who said it. "Divisive". Pretty much spot on. His way or the highway. Many times illogical. Many times abusive and emotional. Might have been a 'great people person' in private, but I certainly didn't see it.
Glad to see him gone. Thank him for his contribution though. For all his personal faults, some of his initiatives are now common place and shouldn't be forgotten.
1. Community camps. Lead the way with Warrnambool. AFL jumped on it and now it is compulsory.
2. Overseas training camps.
3. Leadership groups and use of Ray McLean. Ray is Ray McEverywhere now.
But unfortunately, I now find myself in agreeance with B4E for the most part. The holiday pay stuff I couldn't care about, but the backroom dealings with RB were just plain wrong. His recruiting and use of the rookie list are now shown to be appalling.
He played his favourites and would stick with them through thick or thin but would freeze out others.
As for Bundy, he's a good bloke who acted as right hand man. Don't shoot him for his loyalty and service.
Poster formerly known as SENsaintsational. More wisdom. More knowledge. Less name.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 18600
- Joined: Thu 11 Mar 2004 1:36am
- Has thanked: 1924 times
- Been thanked: 852 times
I'm sure they do.bigcarl wrote:they all do thatSENsaintsational wrote:He played his favourites and would stick with them through thick or thin but would freeze out others.
My point is that it didn't just occur on match day or where they were played. He froze them out completely in the club for months if they transgressed in any way. Unless he was a love child. TS wasn't.
What sort of work environment is that?
Poster formerly known as SENsaintsational. More wisdom. More knowledge. Less name.
Sounds like most places I've worked.......SENsaintsational wrote:I'm sure they do.bigcarl wrote:they all do thatSENsaintsational wrote:He played his favourites and would stick with them through thick or thin but would freeze out others.
My point is that it didn't just occur on match day or where they were played. He froze them out completely in the club for months if they transgressed in any way. Unless he was a love child. TS wasn't.
What sort of work environment is that?
![Wink :wink:](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
-
- SS Hall of Fame
- Posts: 2015
- Joined: Wed 10 Aug 2005 8:01pm
- Has thanked: 67 times
- Been thanked: 19 times
Well of course you would be frozen out. Just look at your username for a start!!Iceman234 wrote:Sounds like most places I've worked.......SENsaintsational wrote:I'm sure they do.bigcarl wrote:they all do thatSENsaintsational wrote:He played his favourites and would stick with them through thick or thin but would freeze out others.
My point is that it didn't just occur on match day or where they were played. He froze them out completely in the club for months if they transgressed in any way. Unless he was a love child. TS wasn't.
What sort of work environment is that?
![Cool 8-)](./images/smilies/icon_cool.gif)
Poster formerly known as SENsaintsational. More wisdom. More knowledge. Less name.
And the centre of touche of course is "ouch"...SENsaintsational wrote:Well of course you would be frozen out. Just look at your username for a start!!Iceman234 wrote:Sounds like most places I've worked.......SENsaintsational wrote:I'm sure they do.bigcarl wrote:they all do thatSENsaintsational wrote:He played his favourites and would stick with them through thick or thin but would freeze out others.
My point is that it didn't just occur on match day or where they were played. He froze them out completely in the club for months if they transgressed in any way. Unless he was a love child. TS wasn't.
What sort of work environment is that?
![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
- saintsRrising
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 30091
- Joined: Mon 15 Mar 2004 11:07am
- Location: Melbourne
- Has thanked: 711 times
- Been thanked: 1233 times
Except it was actually Stan Alves who in 97 who first used Ray McLean.SENsaintsational wrote:
3. Leadership groups and use of Ray McLean. Ray is Ray McEverywhere now.
.
Take a bow Stan.
While Ray's company consults to many AFL teams now...
He was personally :
**With the Saints in 97...the year we got into the GF..
**The Swans when they won their flag
**...and the Cats in 2007....with their flag.
He has an impressive record.
Last edited by saintsRrising on Thu 06 Dec 2007 4:13pm, edited 1 time in total.
Flying the World in comfort thanks to FF Points....
Well there you go. Didn't know that.saintsRrising wrote:Except it was actually Stan Alves who in 97 who first used Ray McLean.SENsaintsational wrote:
3. Leadership groups and use of Ray McLean. Ray is Ray McEverywhere now.
.
Take a bow Stan.
Poster formerly known as SENsaintsational. More wisdom. More knowledge. Less name.
Sends a chill down your spine, don't it?Iceman234 wrote:And the centre of touche of course is "ouch"...SENsaintsational wrote:Well of course you would be frozen out. Just look at your username for a start!!Iceman234 wrote:Sounds like most places I've worked.......SENsaintsational wrote:I'm sure they do.bigcarl wrote:they all do thatSENsaintsational wrote:He played his favourites and would stick with them through thick or thin but would freeze out others.
My point is that it didn't just occur on match day or where they were played. He froze them out completely in the club for months if they transgressed in any way. Unless he was a love child. TS wasn't.
What sort of work environment is that?
Poster formerly known as SENsaintsational. More wisdom. More knowledge. Less name.
I would. In a heartbeat
I don't believe a single, solitary thing that the "haters" have stated. Never read so many fairytales and untruths-passing as some kind of commentary
![Wink :wink:](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
![Rolling Eyes :roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
![Rolling Eyes :roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Ain't that the truth. Call it propagandaBAMshhhh wrote:If you repeat something often enough people will come to believe it
A sensible post. Finally. It's called the AFL mafia and Lyon was a Robert Scumbag (I mean Walls) appointee. Hopefully everything will be OK, but from observation wherever R.Walls has much of a say, disaster usually follows...And in this environment RL at least is safe...from any criticism whatsoever....I suppose that's a positive.Saints43 wrote:Round 1 against Melbourne? Bwahahahahahahaha. What a benchmark.
Remember that Parkin is part of the ex-Fitzroy back slappers society.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 18600
- Joined: Thu 11 Mar 2004 1:36am
- Has thanked: 1924 times
- Been thanked: 852 times
SENsaintsational wrote:I'm sure they do. My point is that it didn't just occur on match day or where they were played. He froze them out completely in the club for months if they transgressed in any way. Unless he was a love child. TS wasn't. What sort of work environment is that
is it TS40 you're talking about? I thought it was Lyon that moved him on
Doesn't mean he wasn't frozen out long before. That was my observation. GT thought he wasn't working hard enough and wrote him off. I'm not saying that GT was wrong in his first assessment, but the treatment after that was appalling.n1ck wrote:Nope, TS was delisted after the 05 season IIRC.
Poster formerly known as SENsaintsational. More wisdom. More knowledge. Less name.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 18600
- Joined: Thu 11 Mar 2004 1:36am
- Has thanked: 1924 times
- Been thanked: 852 times
he's only been gone one season. one of lyon's first decisions was to delist him as i recall it ... a mistake i thought at the time. but please correct me if i'm wrong.n1ck wrote:Nope, TS was delisted after the 05 season IIRC.
Last edited by bigcarl on Thu 06 Dec 2007 4:43pm, edited 1 time in total.
-
- Saintsational Legend
- Posts: 25303
- Joined: Tue 01 Feb 2005 4:25pm
- Location: Trump Tower
- Has thanked: 142 times
- Been thanked: 284 times
what is it with you mischa?mischa wrote:I would. In a heartbeatI don't believe a single, solitary thing that the "haters" have stated. Never read so many fairytales and untruths-passing as some kind of commentary
![]()
![]()
are you in love with the man or something??
Can't you take onboard anything SENsational has to say, someone who knows him/knew of him to quite a degree?
Why are you so blind in your love???
Come on, admit it, everyone has their faults, and many of GT's were damming.
Do you really think his recruiting and use of the rookie list was up to scratch?
Surely not, it was downright pathetic, blind freddy could see that.
Sure, I have my biases also, but I'm not blind to them....I will ocassionally even give the AFL credit if they do something well, perhaps you can quarter open one of your eyes....no harm in trying that is there?
Yes, GT did some good for our club in his early years, no doubting that from many of us on here, even B4E, but how he ran the club and conducted himself in his last 3 years was not up to the standard we needed.